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yes - it has the same message if accessed through VPN (us based) or UK ISP

Says no match pass available but can't work out why not? It's not in espn+ and Blackburn are on ifollow. A mystery!

According to sources Assume its oliveira pinto and .....wes???

Sat in front row of first section of neutral zone. Thought the support throughout the game was terrific. Positive from start to finish and of course the last few minutes were superb. Great to leave with so many smiles on the Norwich fans faces Question - what do people think was the actual Norwich away attendance? If the Norwich section was 3000 I have difficulty in believing we had less than 5000 given the neutral sections were 80 per cent plus Norwich and are larger than the actual away section On a micro level it seemed that every person I know who goes to away games frequently or infrequently had decided to turn up for Fulham!

[quote user="whistleblower"]very little chance of top 6 on past form Consider this - in our final 13 games we have: - 8 games against the current top 10 - in the reverse fixtures we picked up TWO points against them - fixture against binners on decent run[/quote] should have added - no Oliveira for 4-6 weeks...no realistic backup for Jerome

very little chance of top 6 on past form Consider this - in our final 13 games we have: - 8 games against the current top 10 - in the reverse fixtures we picked up TWO points against them - fixture against binners on decent run

[quote user="whistleblower"]Bit concerned we are lightweight - Pritchard, Wed and Josh Murphy all in same team. AN has talked about being more physical - think we may be iverrun in midfield Also, unless Wildschut is injured I think you give him longer than 2 away games before damaging his confidence by putting him on bench for a game he should have got a lot more of he ball[/quote] *Wes

Bit concerned we are lightweight - Pritchard, Wed and Josh Murphy all in same team. AN has talked about being more physical - think we may be iverrun in midfield Also, unless Wildschut is injured I think you give him longer than 2 away games before damaging his confidence by putting him on bench for a game he should have got a lot more of he ball

will do wonders for team spirit - Neil gets improved deal (at least in terms of £2 million termination compensation according to the story) as a reward for relegation shambles while most players apparently got pay cuts. Only at Norwich is failure rewarded

[quote user="Dan Dare"]"with very little to play for"yep, 4 points off a play off place with half the season still to play ?whereas you binners have everything to play for .......... avoiding relegationdo singalong[/quote] Dim Dare - we are currently 7 points off the play-off places or did Delia tell you something different? Remedial maths i think for you next term.

[quote user="Rock The Boat"]A real lot of ignorance is being shown on this thread. My personal opinion is that Delia and Michael are not particularly good business people, their skills are elsewhere, but they did make two brilliant appointments in bring Bowkett and McNally into the club. The result of making those good decisions has seen the value of the club rise. That can only be a good thing, and I can''t see why anybody thinks otherwise. If you were to open a whelk stall on Norwich market and in two decades that business is now worth £20 million then you should be congratulated and not derided. A further point on the same theme is that the £20 million is only a return on investment if you sell up for that amount. And if Delia doesn''t sell up, and she says she is not going to, then she is actually facing no return on her investment. And don''t forget, you investors, the price of shares can fall as well as rise, so that £20 million today might be nothing if we suffer a couple of relegations. So to accuse Delia and Michael of standing to make millions from their investment is utter nonsense when they have already stated that those shares will go ito a trust. And even if they were to change their minds and sell up anyway, then so what? They took the financial risk when the club was facing bankruptcy and they took the decisions to appoint Bowkett and McNally which led to us spending a few years in the Premier League, so any increase in the value of the Club is down to their stewardship of the Club. It is stupidity to claim that Delia is putting her own interests first, when she is not selling her shareholding. If she was selling out for superbucks to some billionaire then you could accuse her of putting her own interests first but when she is transferring her shares into a trust then clearly she isn''t putting her own interests first. Having said all of this, I believe their appointments of Balls and Moxey to replace Bowkett and McNally have weakened the Club. It would be difficult to find two replacements of the same calibre of the former board members but I think D&M should have tried harder to bring better quality at the board level. Having read the Times article, it could be that Delia does want City to be more of a community-based club and thinks that is far more important than playing in the Premier league. She is entitled to that opinion and as a majority shareholder she is entitled to make that happen. It is not a choice I would make but I accept her right to do so. And if you don''t accept Delia right to stamp her ethos on the Club then buy her out and do it your way. If a billionaire investor steps in you can be sure that his/her ethos will be stamped on the club whether you like it or not. Ask other fans where this has happened already. So either put up or shut up.[/quote] I have no issue with her making money from an investment. There is also no doubt that legally and technically she can do what she wants with the club. What is clear to me, if not to others (and I recognise they have every right to disagree), is that Delia is betraying the generations of fans who have supported this club down through the decades by putting her desire for family control ahead of any other objective for Norwich City At the minute the only way to exit the control she has is to continue the horrendous mismanagement of the club for another 2 years until the losses force her hand. With the terrible investment in players in the last 12-18 months the die is already cast. It will take a hell of a lot to turn this around and with the increasing intransigency of Delia and the Board our downward spiral won''t be arrested any time soon

[quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="whistleblower"][quote user="ricardo"][quote user="whistleblower"]this thread has generated a lot of closely or loosely related discussions - has she made money from the club/her investment - is she a misunderstood superfan - is she a fame obsessed egomaniac clinging to her last dying embers of celebrity status that being owner of NCFC confers - is delia really a binner - is she trying to build a legacy - is she an autocratic control freak All of them are interesting thoughts, however, my focus is one question only - is her number 1 goal to make Norwich as successful as is humanly possible? or is there a caveat to that objective which is "as long as Delia or her family are still in charge"? Previous owners always wanted Norwich to achieve the best place in the footballing world it possibly could. The motivation for achieving this could be myriad - adding to their own personal wealth upon sale, fame, love for the club, community etc The point is their goal aligned with the fans What i believe based upon many different data points is that we now have an owner who''s ultimate goal is to have her family remain in charge of Norwich City even if this is to the detriment of what the club could possibly achieve. I don''t think any real "fan" of the club would put their interests before that of the club. To believe that the club is only "safe" in her hands displays an almost cult-like stance or ideology. Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Delia has absolute power at Norwich City...... Personally I would take the utter failure of this season and next to generate the financial conditions that would force her hand once more to take up fresh investment that would demand changes in ownership & control. Delia Smith is wealthy but nowhere near wealthy enough to endure the size of losses coming our way once parachute payments have ended and we have the mammoth wage bill making our P&L look like the Titanic and players for whom we cannot recover their transfer fees when sold. (We have a number of players who did not have relegation clauses in their contracts on our books) The other option is to underachieve for the next 10-15 years under the current regime - I don''t want that Maybe there are other options - a local white knight with investment appears that will satisfy Delia Smith''s conditions. Some other option not listed may also appear but if we want Norwich successful again I''m battening down the hatches for a long 18 months of underachievement and malevolent atmosphere at Carrow Road[/quote]Just a couple of points1. The question was asked and answered at the AGM, ALL players have wage reduction written into their contracts while in the Championship.2. If I owned the club I would pass it on to whomsoever I trusted to run it in the way I had expressly wished. I would also not be canvassing any keyboard warriors as to what their thoughts might be.Football is cyclical and none of the medium sized clubs like us are going to be successful all of the time. We have no more natural right to Premier League football than Sheff Wed, Derby, Leeds etc etc etc. No owner or manager can guarantee consistent success, it comes and goes. Managers have a limited lifetime. [/quote] the problem with the contracts position is that neither the question at the AGM nor the answer given at the AGM is anywhere near detailed enough to give a picture as to whether the wage bill is being cut for each player as of the start of this season. My understanding is there are very high earning players for whom the impact is nil or minimal - this itself has led to dressing room unhappiness I''m not sure the point being made around transfer of ownership - the fact she can do something and is going to do it is a matter of fact and unarguable. The issue is whether she is betraying her claim to be a true Norwich fan by acting in a manner that benefits herself rather than the club[/quote]If you know things beyond what we''re told at the AGM then why not share it? But then you knew we were getting malky mackay. That''s the thing about "in the know". We have to wait so long to find out ourselves...[/quote] Hmmm. That''s an interesting departure. I presume you''re referring to the thread "Malkay hints its him - Radio 5 - refers to Norwich as us" I seem to recall I posted the radio interview link, there was some debate around whether he was actually referring to Norwich as "us" and ultimately of course he didn''t join Norwich. (although with hindsight maybe he would have aligned with current thinking at the club on foreign ownership.....) As I shared all known information as an input to a debate it is unclear to me where I ever stated I had inside or early knowledge I''ll let others draw their own conclusions around why you''ve been using your time to dig into posts over 2 and 1/2 years ago to try to find something contentious and this is the best you could come up with!

[quote user="ricardo"][quote user="whistleblower"]this thread has generated a lot of closely or loosely related discussions - has she made money from the club/her investment - is she a misunderstood superfan - is she a fame obsessed egomaniac clinging to her last dying embers of celebrity status that being owner of NCFC confers - is delia really a binner - is she trying to build a legacy - is she an autocratic control freak All of them are interesting thoughts, however, my focus is one question only - is her number 1 goal to make Norwich as successful as is humanly possible? or is there a caveat to that objective which is "as long as Delia or her family are still in charge"? Previous owners always wanted Norwich to achieve the best place in the footballing world it possibly could. The motivation for achieving this could be myriad - adding to their own personal wealth upon sale, fame, love for the club, community etc The point is their goal aligned with the fans What i believe based upon many different data points is that we now have an owner who''s ultimate goal is to have her family remain in charge of Norwich City even if this is to the detriment of what the club could possibly achieve. I don''t think any real "fan" of the club would put their interests before that of the club. To believe that the club is only "safe" in her hands displays an almost cult-like stance or ideology. Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Delia has absolute power at Norwich City...... Personally I would take the utter failure of this season and next to generate the financial conditions that would force her hand once more to take up fresh investment that would demand changes in ownership & control. Delia Smith is wealthy but nowhere near wealthy enough to endure the size of losses coming our way once parachute payments have ended and we have the mammoth wage bill making our P&L look like the Titanic and players for whom we cannot recover their transfer fees when sold. (We have a number of players who did not have relegation clauses in their contracts on our books) The other option is to underachieve for the next 10-15 years under the current regime - I don''t want that Maybe there are other options - a local white knight with investment appears that will satisfy Delia Smith''s conditions. Some other option not listed may also appear but if we want Norwich successful again I''m battening down the hatches for a long 18 months of underachievement and malevolent atmosphere at Carrow Road[/quote]Just a couple of points1. The question was asked and answered at the AGM, ALL players have wage reduction written into their contracts while in the Championship.2. If I owned the club I would pass it on to whomsoever I trusted to run it in the way I had expressly wished. I would also not be canvassing any keyboard warriors as to what their thoughts might be.Football is cyclical and none of the medium sized clubs like us are going to be successful all of the time. We have no more natural right to Premier League football than Sheff Wed, Derby, Leeds etc etc etc. No owner or manager can guarantee consistent success, it comes and goes. Managers have a limited lifetime. [/quote] the problem with the contracts position is that neither the question at the AGM nor the answer given at the AGM is anywhere near detailed enough to give a picture as to whether the wage bill is being cut for each player as of the start of this season. My understanding is there are very high earning players for whom the impact is nil or minimal - this itself has led to dressing room unhappiness I''m not sure the point being made around transfer of ownership - the fact she can do something and is going to do it is a matter of fact and unarguable. The issue is whether she is betraying her claim to be a true Norwich fan by acting in a manner that benefits herself rather than the club

[quote user="A Load of Squit"][quote user="komakino"]An excellent and thoughtful post Whistleblower.[/quote]Well you''re half right, it is full of thoughts, definitely not excellent. [/quote] I probably wasn''t expecting a balanced or positive response from a contributor with a pic/tagline of Delia as their Avatar lol (i''m not sure if the pic is her also - the image is so low quality)

this thread has generated a lot of closely or loosely related discussions - has she made money from the club/her investment - is she a misunderstood superfan - is she a fame obsessed egomaniac clinging to her last dying embers of celebrity status that being owner of NCFC confers - is delia really a binner - is she trying to build a legacy - is she an autocratic control freak All of them are interesting thoughts, however, my focus is one question only - is her number 1 goal to make Norwich as successful as is humanly possible? or is there a caveat to that objective which is "as long as Delia or her family are still in charge"? Previous owners always wanted Norwich to achieve the best place in the footballing world it possibly could. The motivation for achieving this could be myriad - adding to their own personal wealth upon sale, fame, love for the club, community etc The point is their goal aligned with the fans What i believe based upon many different data points is that we now have an owner who''s ultimate goal is to have her family remain in charge of Norwich City even if this is to the detriment of what the club could possibly achieve. I don''t think any real "fan" of the club would put their interests before that of the club. To believe that the club is only "safe" in her hands displays an almost cult-like stance or ideology. Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Delia has absolute power at Norwich City...... Personally I would take the utter failure of this season and next to generate the financial conditions that would force her hand once more to take up fresh investment that would demand changes in ownership & control. Delia Smith is wealthy but nowhere near wealthy enough to endure the size of losses coming our way once parachute payments have ended and we have the mammoth wage bill making our P&L look like the Titanic and players for whom we cannot recover their transfer fees when sold. (We have a number of players who did not have relegation clauses in their contracts on our books) The other option is to underachieve for the next 10-15 years under the current regime - I don''t want that Maybe there are other options - a local white knight with investment appears that will satisfy Delia Smith''s conditions. Some other option not listed may also appear but if we want Norwich successful again I''m battening down the hatches for a long 18 months of underachievement and malevolent atmosphere at Carrow Road

[quote user="YankeeCanary"]While everyone is obviously entitled to their opinion this particular thread is clearly not seeded and supported by profound thinkers ( not surprised that Crafty found it appealing ). [/quote] "Profound thinkers"? I''m not sure I know who you mean - Friedrich Nietzsche, Jean-Paul Sartre, Immanual Kant, Alain Badiou, Noam Chomsky perhaps? I don''t think anyone on this board would be egotistical enough to consider themselves a "profound thinker" or wish to be labelled so. I simply say it as I see it. Others have different opinions and that''s fine. I don''t judge an opinion by who supports it - I make my own mind up. That''s individualism for you!

Why Delia Smith may become the most hated owner in club history It is very simple. I believe she is doing what she thinks is best for Delia Smith and her family and she will do that even if it is at the expense of what is best Norwich City There are people on this board who despise Robert Chase (I''m not one of them) but I never doubted that Chase was trying to do what he genuinely believed was the right thing for Norwich City - even if others completely disagreed with his methods/actions I don''t believe this is true of Delia Smith. I believe she knows full well that her and Wynn-Jones strategy is not about doing what is best for Norwich City. As with many approaching the ends of their lives they begin to think about their mark on the world and their "legacy". What will be left when they are gone? it is her "legacy" she is interested in - the Smith dynasty ruling at Norwich City I''ve been a season ticket holder for over 30 years. All my children are season ticket holders and throughout that time I''ve never felt as much antipathy towards any of the owners/directors of the club as I do now I took the trouble to read the Henry Winter article in full yesterday (it can be read here http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/supporters-are-treated-so-badly-the-government-need-to-step-in-fn9xvl7c0 - you have to register but it is free). It is a very worrying piece including at least two sly xenophobic references to "foreign money" and how the supporters wouldn''t want a team to be promoted with no English players in it - huh? Since when did nationality become an issue for playing for Norwich Make your own minds up - I probably wasn''t in the best mood to read it The current preoccupation with Alex Neil hides a much deeper resentment, at least for me, with the Smiths and Wynn Jones. Neil is a dead man walking - he will be gone soon enough so there''s no point adding to that debate The much deeper issue for me is having owners who appear to be breaking the one unbreakable bond that should exist between owners and supporters - that we both want Norwich to be the most successful football club it can possibly be. I don''t believe this is true of smith and Jones. If their choice was A) to be unsuccessful with them in charge or B) be successful without them or their family at the helm then they would chose A. I have supported this club through 4 decades and emotionally invested a huge amount. Never during that time did I feel the disenchantment I do now and it has little to do with Alex Neil. I no longer feel that i share a common goal with the club''s owners. Its like finding out a good friend has been nicking money from you - you trusted them and shared good times only to find out they were betraying your friendship That is why the Smiths may end up the most hated owners of Norwich ever - bar none. Could the longer term future for Norwich be better served by the financial implosion of the failure to be promoted and current abysmal mismanagement of resources which would require new investment? Is it worth losing the on pitch battles for a much bigger victory off the pitch?

[quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="whistleblower"][quote user="nutty nigel"]Total bollax as usual from vinnie boy. Delia and Wynnie joined in the summer at the request of Martin Armstrong.[/quote] you owe Big Vince an apology. They joined the board on 28/11/96. It is a matter of public record https://companycheck.co.uk/director/905066123/DELIA-ANN-SMITH/companies[/quote]That was the AGM. They joined the board when Martin Armstrong asked them for some money after it all fell apart at the end of the Chase''s reign. I won''t ask for an apology though....[/quote] you wont get one lol they could have given a lorry load of cash (or more likely preferred creditor status loans)- that doesn''t confer upon them board status. Their elevation to the board of directors happened on 28/11/96 as per Big Vince''s message and the defining factual record - the director status lodged with Companies House. Prior to 28/11/96 not on the board. From 28/11/96 members of the board of directors of Norwich City Football Club - seems pretty clear.

[quote user="nutty nigel"]Total bollax as usual from vinnie boy. Delia and Wynnie joined in the summer at the request of Martin Armstrong.[/quote] you owe Big Vince an apology. They joined the board on 28/11/96. It is a matter of public record https://companycheck.co.uk/director/905066123/DELIA-ANN-SMITH/companies

[quote user="VanWink"]Clouseau strikes again![/quote] Not so fast! thimk Jim is talking about 2 different items here - the clapping is one item and Moxey grinning is a separate thread. Think he said he didn''t see the clapping - whether he saw Moxey is a different item

[quote user="simmo_2"]If he clapped that on Friday night, imagine if he was at the Derby 3-2 match 25-04-11 it would have to be a streak[/quote] The two of them might have been arrested for how excited they would have been!

[quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="norfolkngood"]So why didn''t the other directors stand there Clapping LDC ?[/quote] I don''t know. My take on all this is that there is too much volatility, too much expectation and too much reading bad things into ordinary stuff that goes on. We lost a narrow match against a very good team. It happens and we had won the pevious two home games, so if you felt you wanted to clap the team off, director or no director, then there should be no recrimination. [/quote] I think this is a case where those who witnessed the "incident" have a much greater context within which to judge Tom and his partner''s actions. The background is a team having lost 8 out of 10 games in all competitions, a poor performance against a team we made look good through our apparent lack of fitness, guile, speed and appetite. Big money signings either completely absent from the team or offering minimal value and finally and most aggravating to the spectators a manager refusing to play a 2nd striker in the game yet ending up with Seb Bassong up front. (Also no one has questioned Neil as to his justification around not being overrun in midfield....err, take off a defender to accommodate oliveira and jerome, rather than ending up with your centre back playing as second striker At the end of the match the two of them engaged in a period of ridiculously long and accentuated slow tempo clap which appeared from my perspective totally out of odds with both the bigger picture of where Norwich City have got to this season and the actual performance on the night. For purplecanary benefit I don''t need a study of tom or his girlfriends clapping style to judge that the two of them were effectively putting two fingers up to the crowd - and they were rightly and roundly reprimanded for that. I am more than capable of assimilating numerous data points to draw a conclusion. I could be wrong I concede that but I don''t think so!

[quote user="Phil Collins"]Clearly Nephew Tim and his wife should have been booing and/or giving it the Caesar "thumbs down" from the directors box. Maybe the "fans" booing off their own team is taking the piss?[/quote] You would say that as for you it just "another day in paradise", but believe you me I can feel it "coming in the air tonight" On a serious note perhaps they could have just looked concerned/perturbed by the evenings events instead of emphasising how out of touch the chef, her family and acolytes are with the actual fan base of the club I wonder if she realises how many people have gone from being mildly supportive of her sloshed "good old delia, supports the club bless her" antics to active hostility and dislike of her acting like a Suffolk/Norfolk Kim Jong-un with respect to Norwich City

[quote user="Lessingham Canary"]You noticed it to then Lessingham ? Unbelievable as their happy clapping for me was just taking the Pi $$ at the fans. What i also noticed at the end was the smoking zone outside the old main entrance was devoid of it''s usual occupants. Now i wonder why that was ? Was disappointing to see that Tilly, still some will defend it saying its all right, unfortunately summed up our boards ambition..... as for the smoking areas, i think you will find they were in the dressing room thanking the manager for his brave efforts against a top side, and telling him he could have done no more.[/quote] It most certainly was taking the p**s. His girlfriend/partner stood there doing a ridiculously accentuated slow tempo clap at the end which was basically saying "f**k you we are the owners and we don''t care what you plebs say". Pleased to see her roudly shouted at by some guy at the front of the stand at the end

[quote user="Jim the Canary"]That is all[/quote] You couldn''t be more right. They will all want Alex neil to stay as manager