Billabong Willytickle

[quote user="John"]When you get rid of Hoolahan in League One, you don''t get a ''good'' replacement.FACT.[/quote]I don''t think it''s a case of getting a like for like replacement, admittedly there is very little chance of us getting a player as skilful as Wes to replace him, but it''s pretty obvious that Lambert is going to stick with a solid 442 this year and Wes doesn''t fit in that. For him to do well the team needs to be built around him which is something Lambert does not seem to want to do (personally I agree with him).The kind of player we''ll probably get is someone who''s pacy and works up and down the line - I think with McVeigh and Lappin on the wings we have solid players but we have no pace and that''s what we''ll look to get, but won''t have anywhere near the ability of Wes.

[quote user="Billabong Willytickle"][quote user="jbghost"][quote user="Billabong Willytickle"]Good old making up ridiculous facts to fit a point.On a day at some point in the past - we signed a Goalkeeper/Defender/Midfielder/Striker - we all thought he was good signing and he was RUBBISH the above points are about as relevant as your initial post[/quote] What the hell is your problem?  The original post was a well researched and well put post amongst the current crap we are seeing on here and did not deserve such an ignorant and childish response. Maybe you should clear off and carry out your user name to yourself. [/quote]I''m more than happy to produce a list of players and the dates they''ve signed that we all thought were good players that turned out to be rubbish if you wish?Actually, I think I''m probably agreeing with the initial point, it just seems to be a bit ridiculous to say that people before the internet were not questioning signings of players.[/quote]Oh and in all honesty I would much rather have a squad of excellent non leaguers and some lower league players rather than the same old journeymen players (and Cuerton)

[quote user="jbghost"][quote user="Billabong Willytickle"]Good old making up ridiculous facts to fit a point.On a day at some point in the past - we signed a Goalkeeper/Defender/Midfielder/Striker - we all thought he was good signing and he was RUBBISH the above points are about as relevant as your initial post[/quote] What the hell is your problem?  The original post was a well researched and well put post amongst the current crap we are seeing on here and did not deserve such an ignorant and childish response. Maybe you should clear off and carry out your user name to yourself. [/quote]I''m more than happy to produce a list of players and the dates they''ve signed that we all thought were good players that turned out to be rubbish if you wish?Actually, I think I''m probably agreeing with the initial point, it just seems to be a bit ridiculous to say that people before the internet were not questioning signings of players.

Good old making up ridiculous facts to fit a point.On a day at some point in the past - we signed a Goalkeeper/Defender/Midfielder/Striker - we all thought he was good signing and he was RUBBISH the above points are about as relevant as your initial post

Were any of your examples above partly responsible for relegating the team?No.

[quote user="ryan85k"][quote user="Loan City Fc "]Gunn is the worst manager in this clubs history , appointed for no other reason than he might get a few more people to buy season tickets ,  time to go back to being Mr Oddjob Gunn or the support will be split from the first game next season.[/quote] Ridiculous statement, worst manager in the clubs history according to who? Because according to the statistics, Gunny is already better than Roeder, Hamilton, Megson, Deehan...... He is being judged on Glen Roeders squad for christs sake. It doesnt matter if you are Jose Mourinho or Mike Bassett, nobody had a chance with that team of wasters. Why cant you see that it was the team, yeah blame the board, Doncaster and Roeder, but dont blame the person that was brave enough to try and pick up the pieces. [/quote]your whole argument seems founded on the notion that because they were great players and care about the club the should be able to manage the club which they failed at last year.I just cant see the logic in it

They have my full support, ideally I would swap the roles to have Crook or Butterworth as manager with Gunn as an assistant, but otherwise there is no way that I would want them sacked. So they are doing different jobs as to what you''d have them do, why is this? because Gunn simply isn''t a good enough manager? What the hell is the point in getting another manager in, with little money, and who would probably want to spend yet more money on releasing the coaching squad. For me the only people that I would want associated with this club as much as those three would be Huckerby and Dublin. We are talking about our best midfielder and one of our best defenders of the last 20 years, and certainly the best goalkeeper. They were excellent players, not managers, I couldn''t give a monkeys if they were good players, they''ve proved in their 19 games that they are not good enough. Were talking about three players who couldnt have shown more passion for this football club during their careers and who are determined to get this club out of a mess. Whats the alternative? to get another plastic journeyman who has probably never even been to Norwich out of choice? PLAYERS NOT MANGERS, there is a huge difference, passion for the club or someone with a proven track record of being an actual manager? I know what one I''d rather go for Today a former Scotland International goalkeeper has decided to sell a current Scottish International goalkeeper (well at least agreed to it, I suspect).  That a bold and brave decision, and one that im sure the management team did out of a belief that it was the right thing to do - and it was. Hardly bold nor brave - he wanted to go we need the money - no brainer Their only permanent signing since taking over has been Cody McDonald, who looks a real snip and a long term choice, and from all the loan signings this season - about 20? - the best two have come in Gunns Reign - Alan Lee and Jason Shackell. Yep, as well as being the man that was head of player recruitment for all the other players brought in - yes I take your point with Cody though (you missed out on Gow who was ace too) I suggest that should the club decide to keep these three, that you lot of negative haters give them a chance. Without being given a chance, they have no chance - its as simple as. They had a chance - it was half a season and they put us in a worse position than they started with Three of the best city players of the last 20 years want to build us a team that has a level of passion to rival theirs. I cant argue with that, and neither should you. They have been honest, frank, committed and thats everything that Glen Roeder and Neil Doncaster havent been. No one will argue with that but they were PLAYERS and in their job as manager / coaches THEY HAVE FAILED They have spent £25,000 on transfers and now have to go into a pre season with probably nothing more than a few hundred thousand pounds, they have to rely on nothing but their judgement of character, Butterworths knowledge of league one and two, and Crooks charisma...... no money, simple as, no money. Can''t argue with that, but anyone else who''s managed in the lower leagues would have the same thing and they''ve managed too! If I had to choose one team to pick the right men for the job it would be three men that have done the same job well for us in the past. People are talking about Paul Ince for christs sake, what the hell is he going to do for us? Is he going to care about the long term future? Is he hell, he is going to assemble a squad that will do half well for a year so that he can get a job with a successful team again.  Why would you pick these people above other people that have proved in the past that they can actually do the job? Because they were once good players? Good griefOther people are talking about Mark Robins, what the hell is the difference between Bryan Gunn and Mark Robins? well, except that Mark Robins was here for how long? 12 months? 24 months at the most, nothing. Just another former player. Yeah he has done ok at Rotherham, but Mark Robins is to Rotherham what Gunn is to Norwich. If you could read the mind of Mark Robins, it will tell you that he is a Rotherham fan. Answered your own question - BECAUSE HE DID WELL AT ROTHERHAM AS A FRICKIN MANAGER - that''s the diferance Have faith in these winners. Yes thats right, those three are winners. With no Neil Doncaster (who i must add NEGOTIATED THE CONTRACTS), surely those three can be left alone to do what they do best - on the training ground. Good lord, have faith in winners - why don''t we get Glenn Hoddle or Paul Ince then? They won stuff Come on city. We are Norwich City, we should be proud to be Norwich city, like our management team are proud to be Norwich City. You, me, everybody else on here, can still honestly say that they are proud to be a Norwich City fan. More than a fan, you are part of Norwich City and Norwich City is part of you. No other colours will ever make me, or you, feel this emotion. I''m not proud of the management team I feel incredibly patronised at their very appointment Lets keep our chins high, keep our principles for passionate attractive football - AT ANY LEVEL - and fight back. We are the club, its just as much our responsible as it is Gunns, Crooks and Butterworths to fight back. That really isnt true though is it? If that was the case, there would be NO WAY Otsemabor would have been playing week in week out had I had my way Stand your ground and fight. I just have [:)] OTBC.

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[quote user="Loan City Fc "][quote user="Lord Snooty"]If he is confirmed in the job and is given a contract for the whole of next season then he will prove to be a good manager for us. Mark my words. [/quote] No he wont , he is so far out of his depth its a wonder he hasnt drowned yet . Worst manager in the history of Norwich City .[/quote]I''m sure Peter Grant and Jim Duffy would have something to say about that!REALLY don''t want him in charge though

I take your points completely, but as you say, he lacks the managerial talent and experience to sort it out. Why doesn''t he just realise this and stand down, instead of his campaign to keep the job?

[quote user="1st Wizard"][quote user="Buckethead"]What was the breakdown again Wiz, was it three against Colchester, two against Barnet and the other nine dotted around the other 40 odd games?Nine goals in 40 something league games isn''t really a good enough return in anyones book for a first choice striker to be able to claim they''ve done their bit to keep the Club up is it?Jamie just doesn''t seem able to score ''critical'' goals, the only goal in a narrow 1-0 victory or the third in a 3-2. He can get the second in a 2-0 or 3rd in a 3-1 type of goal (sometimes) but he just doesn''t seem to score important goals and that to me suggests he is lacking one of the most important qualities of a striker. How many of Jamies tally have been ''the winning goal''? And how many times has he fluffed a chance to grab us a winner?[/quote] Priceless, now it has to be ''vital and critical'' goals to please the mob............oh, just go away! [/quote]Wiz, I think the reason are referring to ''vital and critical'' goals is because you stated if it wasn''t for his goals last season, we''d be in league 1, and people are differing to agree with you.

[quote user="1st Wizard"][quote user="GJP"][quote user="1st Wizard"] The others amongst us know he''ll come good. [/quote] When? He''s been back a year and a half and there has been no sign of it. Can''t keep waiting for him to finally find what he''s never had. Unless we''re happy to float around the bottom of the league table, or even lower. [/quote] Oh what a short memory you have GJP, take away Jamies goals last season and we''d be a League 1 side now![:|] [/quote]Now, I know you have a thing for Jamie and I can''t confess to understanding it but your above quote is simply not true. I''ve had a quick look at the scorers from January last year through until the end of the season and the times his goals actually affected the result was a 1-1 draw and the 5-2 win. Personally, I think he is not quick enough to feed off of Wes''s through balls and when he has his chances 8 times out of 10 he misses them, his time should be up as a starting striker, if he starts today, of course I''ll be happy if scores but I don''t think he should be starting.of course I now wait to be put completely wrong...

[quote user="Sports Desk - Pete"][quote user="can u sit down please"] Does this make sense or have i drivelled on? [/quote] Perfect sense. It''s the Norwich City fan syndrome (although may apply to other clubs too). Player joins - he''s rubbish, same player leaves - he becomes a footballing god. [/quote]As well as - Player doesn''t play for over a year = better than PelePlayer loves the club but is a bit rubbish = at least he cares

Maybe Boothroyd, as terms of his pay off from Watford was not aloud to get another job this season and *maybe* he''s agreed to take the job in the summer with Gunn taking the job until then.pure speculation, of course.

[quote user="yeldham"]Well, with respect I would value Mick Harfords judgement more than your two mates and to be given the captaincy albeit maybe for the odd game is a huge compliment for a twenty year old. Hardly free transfer level.![/quote]2 words (well names)Mark Fotheringham