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Kieran. Your maths doesn't allow for youth and OAP concessions. Match day figure is closer to £500,000. That leaves about 10 pints per person per game including the kids.

Thanks Tvb. Point taken.

Picking up on the Club Statement today, are we a listening club or an 'ignore the noise' club? Apparently the players shouldn't be expected to declare how much they are giving back but the club was happy to declare how much was paid to them in promotion bonus. Apparently match day income is £1.5 million per home match. Really! The accounts suggest gate money of around £0.5 million. I know BK claims to do very well on commercial income but surely not quite that well? If it is that good why not get some of those commercial sponsors to invest in club infrastructure?

Nigel, The other 18 excluding Burnley may well be worse than NCFC. But then Norwich say they are not truly in the Premier League class. Then again they are not in the Kings Lynn class either.

In reply to Nigel. The challenge is there are some businesses and industries who play fair meaning they seek a fair balance between all their stakeholders be they employees, shareholders, customers, bondholders, creditors whatever. Then again there are some who are making no real effort in that respect. Limited Companies are supposed to do exactly that by law. In football terms I gave an example of good practice in Kings Lynn FC.

Nigel that is a decent idea. Another idea would be for the government to exclude certain industries. For example they could turn all football over to the Football Association and say sort it with no furloughing.

Well put TvB. The bondholders may have got their nice promotion bonus last year but unlike the execs there will be no tasty relegation bonus for them. Remember McNallys £1,000 per day bonus in a relegation season.

If it needs a new lick of paint they could try to sell a few NCFC shares now to finance it. As I recall it the Turners made them an offer of some participation 10 years ago.

Purple you are correct but there is 18% more shareholding in play on the board with 5 other members. Last time they had back to back seasons in the Championship and Premier League their turnover for the 2 seasons was the same as our pre-crisis projections yet their wage bill was £20 million less and they have remained in the Premier League. Their performance is exceptional but that is what it will take for a club of our size to retain Premier League status for any length of time unless the crisis shakes down in our favour.

One thing I recall about 1996 were that there was a general belief that no one should hold a controlling percentage of the football club. I also recall Delia saying at some point that it was an alternative to buying a mediterranean villa. I guess it has been a labour of love for our majority owners and all in all their performance has been pretty good taking one year with another. I certainly wouldn't want to hand over our club to dirty foreign money. Then again does the villa need a fresh lick of paint? We could operate with 8 Board members, we have only 5 of whom only 3 own any shares on a permanent basis. Burnley's main shareholder owns 49% of the Club whilst their are 5 relatively new blood Board members who own 3% each. That sounds like our vision of 1996 to me together with a fresh lick of paint for the villa.

I am with you sgncfc.

Some of the issues are difficult. Easyjet have apparently furloughed having paid £60 miilion dividend to shareholders. Arsenal with a 12% cut in players wages have clearly used that to avoid furloughing. NCFC are relatively small fry by Premier League yardsticks. Then again as I pointed out earlier this week I may prefer the 'different approach' of Kings Lynn FC who have secured 20% reduction in players wages and refuse to take supporters season ticket money. Then again NCFCs position is currently more uncertain. Webber's comment about players wearing placards is really not helpful.

I agree with Sooty though also true that if clubs are too survive until then the FA must get a grip and apply a 70 per cent wage cut or 1 million cap for premier league stars and redistribute to smaller clubs.

Should this be free to all shareholders in accordance with Item 8 of the attached which is NCFC's most recent filing of the Articles at Companies House. I believe so but a certain club officers interpretation has been no. Articles of Association.pdf

TIL, Yes I do attend more than 10 away games per year, yes I am in the priority group, it is my son who only wants to attend South East games. This ridiculous system besides being a backdoor tax on loyal supporters was supposedly intended to encourage families to go together when they want albeit that in practice it does the opposite unless all members maintain the same number of games. Yes I have paid though as the Articles of Association quote 'Free FULL membership' for all shareholders I believe a reasonable interpretation is that shareholders should not have to pay. Unfortunately the blind Income Generation focus of certain NCFC employees tends to blind them to the meaning of the english language.

Under the preposterous away scheme my son who only wanted to attend games in the South East has obtained one game at Brighton at a cost of £80. Couldn't get tickets for League games at Spurs and West Ham due to demand. Was otherwise engaged for Palace game. Arsenal, Watford & Chelsea are still outstanding. I spoke to one supporter who claimed they had been refunded after having attended Carrow Road at 5.15 one morning and still failing to get a ticket that is despite Club initially saying they would never refund. Now naff can it get?

TIL, Another reflection of the hiking up under McNally which still leaves us relatively high in the pricing charts. Besides when including away charges still a 4% increase for the Club this season or 10% for us loyal home and aways together with a poorer service plus realistically those last 4 games aren't going to happen with a crowd.

That was certainly David McNally's theory at the time when the Club CEO bonus was rising exponentially. I thought we had moved on to a German outlook model. In Germany they put more emphasis on affordable football for the masses.

In 2006-07 the first renewal season ticket price for Barclay and N&P was £344. Home casual prices are not quoted in the match programme but almost all away games are quoted at £20 upwards+ for a 23 game season. No reason to believe casual prices at Carrow Road were any different. That also accords with my memory. So about a quarter of the games were effectively free to season ticket holders. This has now been almost completely eradicated.

Around 15 years ago NCFC season ticket prices compared to casual prices meant that we got 6 games or so free each season now we are down to virtually zero hence the Kings Lynns Chairman point. In a sense NCFC are of course now taking advantage of their full ground, season ticket queues, lack of investment in ground capacity etc. Equally change could be on the way if our comparatively elderly clientele adopt a different approach to attendance following the current crisis. Perhaps a good idea to be seen to be supporting loyalty?

In terms of away scheme - yes. In terms of season tickets perhaps not but Club should put supporters first not the NHS etc.

At Carrow Road - unlike at many other clubs - everyone has paid in advance for their season tickets, memberships for next season etc. In pricing casual seats down to £30 Season ticket holders no longer get any real price advantage as they have done in the past. Then NCFC whilst holding heaps of our money claim they are making NHS contributions. Give us our money back, then we can decide whether we give to the NHS, other charities or even our own charity.

Quote from the Kings Lynn Chairman 'I don't want my loyal fans to be disadvantaged. I would be putting the people who are buying the odd match-day ticket here and there first in the queue - they would be receiving better treatment than the people who are buying games in advance.' Note he also doesn't go out of his way to be claiming to make contributions to the NHS. Pity he isn't Chairman of NCFC.

NCFC could at least except that the game is up on their unique away match tax and refund that. Both seasons would be good given we got only 6 goals and who knows what we will get on the road next year.

FAs original focus was upon grass roots football before it sold its soul to the Premier League. How to organise it. Pool all TV monies. First Cut 4-4-2 to Premier League, All other National Divisions and grass roots football. All other national Divisions split 50% to Championship as Standard, 5% Parachute monies, 20% League one, 12.5% League two and 12.5% National League all divisions.