Mike

[quote user="JF"]Isnt it the Fulham owner that’s trying to buy Wembley for £1 billion?[/quote] Fear for Fulham 😁

[quote user="JF"]Isnt it the Fulham owner that’s trying to buy Wembley for £1 billion?[/quote] Fear for Fulham 😁

[quote user="PurpleCanary"][quote user="Mike "]Yes there are various cases but the scenario you quote is one of an owner selling all the best talent .. same as this one. Not all new ownership with money is successful but no model as is now in place at Norwich has been... also all the promoted teams and the play off sides have proven you need cash to compete. It''s the real world. I also do not like our current owners because I think they have messed up time & time again.. its just not a straight cash issue. The Times interview was the last straw for me...[/quote]Not the scenario I painted at all. You can be a rich owner and keep all your best players and still fail.[/quote] Never said that was not the case. However, a good owner with investment will definitely beat bad owners with zero investment. Lack of progress with the infrastructure, failure to listen to other potentially better owners, putting shares into a trust thus ensuring it is more difficult to get investment in the future, appalling scouting and recruitment of players (Maddison aside), a lack of footballing knowledge when knowing when a manager is best put out of his misery, the Ed Balls and Moxey complete waste of money.... they need to let someone else have a go.. no investment. Lowest league position in my life time. They did step in to help in the bad old days, they started well and improved the club and its relationship with supporters, Cardiff and Wembley, appointing McNally / Bowkett but the negatives far outweigh the positives.

I checked... he owns a premiership club its worth double ours and his fans are very very very happy. If he sold he would make a profit and the club would be better off... Running a debt free business that relies on selling before it buys when most of our competitors don''t, IMO will see us drop further down the leagues. But this is dull as we will not agree, I am sick of the usual Delia rubbish and I am sure you are sick of our investment posts.... Sad day for a great club and its fans to lose a once in lifetime player... its way I goo to see the best players in the NCFC shirt.

[quote user="nutty nigel"]You still don''t get it. It''s not about holding hands up or being right. Cast your mind back to 2009. Who did you want to be? Where are they now? Once you''ve got your rich benefactor you''re stuck with them. You love to pontificate about the real world but that''s the real world. Just moving seamlessly coveting whatever club is doing better at any given time is not the real world. It''s more like cloud cuckoo land.[/quote] Actually it''s you who does not get it. We are stuck with an owner that offers nothing... 2009? I have always wanted want is best for the club and that maybe not be a super rich owner but at least one who is competent. Delia & co have made far too many mistakes & it''s run like a private members club. Time for a change. Anyway have a lovely afternoon OTBC.

Yes there are various cases but the scenario you quote is one of an owner selling all the best talent .. same as this one. Not all new ownership with money is successful but no model as is now in place at Norwich has been... also all the promoted teams and the play off sides have proven you need cash to compete. It''s the real world. I also do not like our current owners because I think they have messed up time & time again.. its just not a straight cash issue. The Times interview was the last straw for me...

[quote user="hogesar"][quote user="nutty nigel"]Just thought I''d look in and see if you lot had cheered up any. Obviously not. Wasnt going to post until I read about the Leicester game in 2011. Great memories. But if you could just stretch that old memory back 18 months further you would remember putting your parts on about our owners. How there was no future. How those selfish owners needed to sell to someone like Evans or Mandaric so we could be like the clubs you covered at that time. pL clubs like portsmouth, Bolton, Wigan, Birmingham, Blackburn even Blackpool. In 2011 when you all got happy again I couldn''t help thinking how it wasn''t "What you wanted for your club". But I guess it didn''t mean as much to you as it did to those who''d stuck with it. And then at Wembley in 2015 how much joy did you get from a result which matched the "minimum of your expectations". Money appears to be King for many on this thread. Other people''s money at that.. I wonder if the other people''s money would have delivered that night at Leicester and all that followed..[/quote][Y][:D][/quote] We had that night, their owners delivered them a whole season... funny old world. I really hope your support of a cash strapped ownership selling our key talented players to fund more seasons of zero investment works... I really really do. And I will hold my hands up if it happens, as I am sure you will if next season is as flat as the last... interesting times

[quote user=" Badger"][quote user="Mike "] Delia & Michael paid themselves back in full on the "investments / loans" they made so it''s happening already[/quote]So that''s ok then? You don''t expect any new owner to put in any of their own money? So what''s the difference? [:^)] [/quote] I''d expect the new owner to do it and build a successful side before thinking of repaying himself (like when he / she sold it on for a higher price). I certainly would not expect them to do it when we are cutting back or have no working capital... Ps See Fulham etc.

[quote user="ridgeman"]My sort the sort that have been going since the late fifties regularly. The sort that saw the blankets being taken round to keep the club afloat. Don''t dig out supporters whilst supporting those running the club. It was Webber who said if supporters didn''t like it they could go elsewhere not me. Huddersfield don''t seem to have missed him in fact they closed their academy after he left.[/quote] I won''t worry about Mr Benn... he seems quite angry so I would ignore him when he has a go... we have all had it... see it as a badge of honour

[quote user=" Badger"][quote user="norfolkngood"]Hog i would find it hard to believe if we were put up for sale a richer person than Delia would be found , smaller clubs can find Rich investors i am sure we could if Delia wanted to sell her shares[/quote]Finding an investor who is richer than Delia is the easy part! Finding someone like Tony Bloom that the OP cited is far harder. How would you ensure that you find an investor who is willing to offer tens of millions of pounds without wanting any financial returns?[/quote] Delia & Michael paid themselves back in full on the "investments / loans" they made so it''s happening already

Any numbers on season ticket sales? Structure is important but good players within that structure is what gets you promoted. Can not have one or the other.. unfortunately you need to spend to be competitive in this league. We are not buying the quality needed.

[quote user="king canary"]Vrancic was shite in the number 10 role last season.[/quote] and far more easy to knock off the ball than Maddison

We will not be pushing for promotion next season unless we sign two proven goal scorers, a right back and a keeper

[quote user="Dicky"]I have supported Norwich all of my life, have seen many changes since the days of Paddon, Sugget, Keelen, Forbes etc and used to get very upset at the sales of players such as Reeves, Fashanu, Sutton, Bellamy. Norwich are and always will be a selling club. Get that. Other clubs will have bigger budgets and be more attractive to the likes of Maddison. What really bothers me though, is that in the past, players would come to us, have 3, 4, 5 good years and then we would sell them at a profit. Under our current regime, players such as Pritchard, Maddison and the Murphys are sold after a year. We are not able to hold on to any v. good players for any amount of time now. Most fans still talk about us being a yo-yo club - sorry, but this is more likely to be League1-Champs rather than Champs-Prem nowadays. We are willingly selling our decent players and replacing them with lower league players (particularly German ones) who are, at best average. The longer this goes on, the less able we are to attract decent players or decent prospects. Few weeks ago, was sitting next to Tony Bloom, the Brighton Chairman/Owner at a charity lunch and we spent an hour or so discussing football (obvs). His honest view (as a man who has put over £200million into Brighton) of Norwich''s prospects under Delia/MWJ''s ownership - football is changing very fast, we are not only failing to keep up, but are heading fast in the wrong direction. If we want a sniff of the Prem again, need some serious money coming into the club and show some ambition to attract good players/prospects.[/quote] And this is the real world..... Was interested to read the Times interview again over the weekend ... Delia" We watched the whole collapse under (Robert Chase), all our players going one by one. It was terrible" - and it''s as bad now.. Will they sell "No" says Michael "we can''t on one hand (protest) that football''s being run from Dubai and Wall Street and then give into it " - so it''s their way or the highway Delia "If more foreign players were restricted in some way, more English players would get games..." LOL! Michael "When you''re fielding a club side without a single englishman, that''s a nonsense" - you seem to be trying son.. Michael "The Murphys will hopefully now be signing new contracts. The supporters love one of our own chant" - gone... None of the new "structure" works with those statements at all...

So Matt, how much do you think we will sell and who do you think is going to come up with the 43% of our goals? The likes of Fulham built a team around their outstanding talent whilst we are selling ours to stand still. Buendia looked good in the Spanish second division, we will see if he can step up to the Championship. Leitner was ok but not a MAddison or a Wes. Trybull I like but is not that reliable unfortunately.. I do not trust these owners to spend sensibly one bit...

C''mon get in the real world.... stop using that stick to beat our owners.... £20m is an excellent price.... our newest recruits are potential the business.... get with the programme...hope we get £3m for Godfrey.. great price

[quote user="nutty nigel"]In the real world I fully expect someone will score 10 goals plus for us next season.[/quote] Well two players accounted for 43% of our meagre 49 goals and we have sold both of them... I think it was then Nelson with... drum roll... 5 goals and then an impressive 4 from Klose... In the real world selling your best two players make you weaker... honest...

[quote user="norfolkngood"]if he goes for 24 Million + Murphy thats approx £35 miilion how much will be reinvested into the playing squad ? my guess is £5 million ![/quote] Have you not heard the "installments" argument.... Hoping we can invest & get the same "installment deals" clubs get off us...

[quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="king canary"]So if anything can happen then we can keep Maddison? Right? I don''t agree with them but it takes a fantastic lack of self awareness for you to get at others for not ''living in the real world.''[/quote]We all live in our own world, mine might be different to yours or someone else''s, but not accepting situations for what they are is a sure fire way to disappointment. Regardless of club finances, we were never going to keep Maddison for very long once he started playing like he has this season and most of us appreciate that and have loved every minute of watching him in the yellow shirt, knowing he will be going elsewhere as soon as the opportunity for the big money to come in arose. It has, he''s going and we look forward to seeing how we set up with different players in. MacLean looks a prospect, Buendia has the potential and we have a free kick specialist in waiting in Vrancic who has a lovely left foot and would have taken a lot more of the free kicks last season if it hadn''t been for Maddison. [/quote] Surely the "real world" is the one were we can not compete with other clubs because our owners will not sell up to people with more finances? It''s the real world were those clubs with finances (Cardiff, Fulham & Wolves) get promoted... in the "real world" I know of no successful businesses that have no cash flow unless they sell assets but hey we have different views & I won''t convince you that I am right. We are selling proven players & replacing them with people who do not or have not proven themselves in this league. Still interested to see who is going to score anywhere near 10 goals plus next year. The only "sell" I will be happy with is our owners selling up to let someone else drive the club forward...

[quote user="king canary"]"It''s called the real world, you should try it sometime." Glorious, glorious irony.[/quote] Is it....

Gutted, he is a great players & I like seeing great players at NCFC.... been one rubbish summer so far... let''s see what investment we now get...

[quote user="Mr Benn"]or maybe thiswatch it and weepbinboy[/quote] Ah the old "binboy" insult always used by the Delia fanatics when their idol is questioned... made me laugh... Enjoy your day Mr Benn OTBC

Will it be A) he wanted to go so we had no choice B) he was disruptive in training C) the crowds booing him D) the fee was just too good E) our shortfall is actually £6m than we thought F) the money we are getting for everyone else comes in really really small bits... And everyone we sign is different Would be nice to give him a chance as he has impressed when I have seen him play.

[quote user="king canary"]I''m sure if he had the option Webber wouldn''t want to sell Maddison or Murphy. The issue is that our situation means he has to try and replace £30m odd worth of players for less than 1/3rd of that.[/quote] Given the money we will have raised selling the family silver I am looking forward to us reinvesting £10m plus back into the side.... Pointless saying much more as the usual suspects will trot out the "any stick to beat the club with" nonsense..

[quote user="king canary"]I''m sure if he had the option Webber wouldn''t want to sell Maddison or Murphy. The issue is that our situation means he has to try and replace £30m odd worth of players for less than 1/3rd of that.[/quote] Given the money we will have raised selling the family silver I am looking forward to us reinvesting £10m plus back into the side.... Pointless saying much more as the usual suspects will trot out the "any stick to beat the club with" nonsense..