Cardiff Vs Birmingham

[chicken 3,083]

I always feel that people get a bit carried away early on in the season, teams they think should do well based on very little info other than previous seasons finishing place and how many of their players they've let go etc.

Cardiff was one of those teams that people had said would be lucky to finish mid table. They played with a plan against us, and we should know that if they have had any of their managers approach instilled into them, they will not be scared to get in amongst the opposition and if nothing else, prevent them from having an easy game.

Birmingham, if our cup game was anything to go by, were more more about getting the ball down and trying to play with it.

Today they play each other and at half time, Cardiff a 1-0 up. The stats currently look like this:

The feedback from reporters and summarises seems to be that Cardiff should be much further in front than they are. Perhaps they are not as bad as some people on here have been painting them to be. You have to be resilient in the Championship, they stayed tight against us, but against Birmingham, they are putting them to the sword. Probably best not to underestimate teams - either genuinely, or not. 
 

[Greavsy 2,645]

Is this an official match thread? 😉 

[keelansgrandad 6,680]

Its still poor football from two poor teams. That we couldn't beat either says we are not playing well.

Lets hope today we can rediscover our form in this division.

[chicken 3,083]

3 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

Its still poor football from two poor teams. That we couldn't beat either says we are not playing well.

Lets hope today we can rediscover our form in this division.

Says someone who has no doubt not seen either team play. Honestly, need to give it a rest. Wait for a few games to see and go from there. Early season form can be temporary, teams can start with players that are gone by September. Other teams will start and then have players that join them before September. A lot is still up in the air, only thing "poor" about sides is judgement this early on.

I suspect many teams looked at us as "poor" when promoted from League One under Lambert, look how that went for them. I suspect the same was said by many teams in the premier league the following season too. 

Just to add, Cardiff will go third, a point behind Watford if it stays the way it is, though apparently Birmingham have tightened up 2nd half and Cardiff have found it much tougher going.

Edited August 13, 2022 by chicken

[pete 371]

Placheta looks to be a little more direct functioning as a proper winger, still not good enough for City.  Let Cardiff player to set up opener, LB nowhere should have been there,

[keelansgrandad 6,680]

7 minutes ago, chicken said:

Says someone who has no doubt not seen either team play. Honestly, need to give it a rest. Wait for a few games to see and go from there. Early season form can be temporary, teams can start with players that are gone by September. Other teams will start and then have players that join them before September. A lot is still up in the air, only thing "poor" about sides is judgement this early on.

I suspect many teams looked at us as "poor" when promoted from League One under Lambert, look how that went for them. I suspect the same was said by many teams in the premier league the following season too. 

Just to add, Cardiff will go third, a point behind Watford if it stays the way it is, though apparently Birmingham have tightened up 2nd half and Cardiff have found it much tougher going.

Before making statements just think what you might be posting.

I was at Cardiff. I bought four tickets for my Son, two Grandsons and myself and I could show you myself in the stand from the club website. So as I have been told before, being at the game is better than watching it on TV, I probably saw more than you did on ifollow if that is what you watched. If you were at the game and if you don't agree that Cardiff were a poor side then I would suggest you know beggar all about football.

[keelansgrandad 6,680]

Says someone who has no doubt not seen either team play. Honestly, need to give it a rest.

 

[chicken 3,083]

13 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

Before making statements just think what you might be posting.

I was at Cardiff. I bought four tickets for my Son, two Grandsons and myself and I could show you myself in the stand from the club website. So as I have been told before, being at the game is better than watching it on TV, I probably saw more than you did on ifollow if that is what you watched. If you were at the game and if you don't agree that Cardiff were a poor side then I would suggest you know beggar all about football.

That's exactly my point though. You watched one game. Against us, where they came with a very clear game plan. Football isn't about always playing your best football. Sometimes you have to identify that the opposition will be better than you at playing good football, so you do different and stop them playing.

There are a good number of teams that have had great success doing that and getting enough points for promotion.

You won't get an apology for me stating you have based your view on two teams playing against us to do a job. You saw one game, the Cardiff game. You based your view that they are poor on that, you haven't seen Wigan play. My whole point was saying how crap/good teams are after 1, 2 or 3 games. I'm still not wrong.

Cardiff a couple of minutes away from two wins in three. 

[chicken 3,083]

3 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

Says someone who has no doubt not seen either team play. Honestly, need to give it a rest.

Nah, if people are going to make huge judgements of teams after seeing them play one game, I'm still correct. Lets see how they are doing after a good number of games before calling them "poor". Seems to me they could be like Shef Utd and be the team to grind out solid results over a season. We'll know more with more results to reflect on. I'm not going to call anyone poor yet, we simply don't have a big enough spready of information to make such judgements yet. 

[keelansgrandad 6,680]

2 minutes ago, chicken said:

That's exactly my point though. You watched one game. Against us, where they came with a very clear game plan. Football isn't about always playing your best football. Sometimes you have to identify that the opposition will be better than you at playing good football, so you do different and stop them playing.

There are a good number of teams that have had great success doing that and getting enough points for promotion.

You won't get an apology for me stating you have based your view on two teams playing against us to do a job. You saw one game, the Cardiff game. You based your view that they are poor on that, you haven't seen Wigan play. My whole point was saying how crap/good teams are after 1, 2 or 3 games. I'm still not wrong.

Cardiff a couple of minutes away from two wins in three. 

That is not the point. That was my opinion about a game I was at. And you assumed I hadn't watched either team. Arrogant.

And your point about Hugill. Just as you said. One game

Tuesday nights game. Was absolutely awful. No movement, lots of telling other players where to run, never at the races really. 

That is me in the purple circle wearing the Centenary shirt.

[Greavsy 2,645]

@keelansgrandad

FF also insinuated you didn't go to matches in this thread, as you can I've corrected him,  but don't expect an apology from him.  

 

[chicken 3,083]

So I was 50% wrong and 50% right?

And you are dragging points from different threads across.

I still hold the same view whether you watched one game out of three they have played so far or not. You can't possibly say a team is "poor" after one game they set out tactics against a team they will have viewed as favourites for promotion. They did a job on us, and you have to praise that. As a team, we need to wisen up to be able to do "a job" on teams too, not to mention many will approach playing us in that way.

It doesn't make them poor, it makes them clever/intelligent.

Just like Muhammed Ali, sometimes you have to be able to take the punches and still come out on top. That's the sign of being true champions. 

Like I say, give it a good 6-10 games then come back and ask me to apologise if Cardiff are not in or around the top 6 still then. Even better, make a mental note of this and when they finish bottom half of the table, remind me at the end of the season. You can have your apology then.

[chicken 3,083]

6 minutes ago, Greavsy said:

@keelansgrandad

FF also insinuated you didn't go to matches in this thread, as you can I've corrected him,  but don't expect an apology from him.  

 

Ah it's cool, it's probably because I have apologised for getting things wrong, he's taken offense to part of what I said, but not the gist of it, which is we haven't seen enough of any teams yet to know whether they will be good or poor this season yet.

Same goes for our club really.