YankeeCanary 0 Posted April 2, 2008 There are sure a lot of strange things going on in the world and, this season at least, the League Championship is one of them. With two thirds of the teams only having five games remaining some of the possibilities appear to be without precedent:If the team holding third from bottom position currently facing relegation were to win their remaining games, and if the team holding the final playoff position were to lose their remaining games the two teams would be tied on points. Not going to happen of course but, at this late stage, it''s possible. Two teams currently in the playoff positions have only a favourable goal differential of 2. This has never happened, at least in the history of the 46 game era. The teams occupying the 6 playoff spots traditionally finish with a combined points total over the season in the range of 500 points. Sometimes a few more, sometimes a few less but always close to that number. It appears the group this year will have a difficult time amassing more than 450 points. Over the past 20 years the teams who miss out on both promotion and relegation end up with an average gap between the top and bottom of the group of 22 points. This season that gap may well be as low as 10 points. We all know, of course, that it has seemed on any given day this season any team appears capable of beating any other team. Do you think it''s an aberration or are there factors at work, financial or otherwise, that are causing a greater equalisation in the teams that compete in this division? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blahblahblah 2 Posted April 2, 2008 [quote]We all know, of course, that it has seemed on any given day this season any team appears capable of beating any other team. Do you think it''s an aberration or are there factors at work, financial or otherwise, that are causing a greater equalisation in the teams that compete in this division? [/quote]I think there are a couple of factors at play here :a) The huge prize for success, creating greater competition.b) Massive Premiership squads. Anyone who shows a bit of talent or ability in a televised championship game or two seems to get hoovered up by Premiership teams. Kenwynne Jones, Dickson Etuhu, Robert Earnshaw, David Nugent, the boy Cotterill at Wigan, are examples of this, there are many more. As a result, teams like Charlton and Sheff Utd have been forced to look to league 1 for strikers to mount a championship promotion challenge, because they can''t compete with Birmingham, Fulham, or even Derby for players. So the parachute payments aren''t as much of an advantage as in previous years, because the talent just hasn''t been available to the parachute payment teams to mount a promotion challenge.What are the options available to championship managers ? Either they can use the loan system effectively to bring in young stars / Prem reserves, or they can look to build an organised unit of the players that the Premiership doesn''t want. I suspect that the 2nd option is the one that is most likely to offer success in the longer term. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent Canary 0 Posted April 2, 2008 Agree with BBB. Any decent players get snapped up instantly. Most teams are stacked with loan players, and presumably the quality of loanees is distributed pretty evenly across the league. I think the key factors in this league are organization, teamwork, and a solid consistent lineup. Money helps, but if you cant bring in players that are any better than what others can get hold of, then there isnt much of an advantage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boyo 0 Posted April 2, 2008 [quote user="YankeeCanary"] We all know, of course, that it has seemed on any given day this season any team appears capable of beating any other team. [/quote]Its like that every season, this league hasn''t just been tight this year it is tight every year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blahblahblah 2 Posted April 2, 2008 Having written the above, I then came across the loans thread, in there Fellas points to a lot of reasons why this league so tight. I wish I''d read that first [:)] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
renegade tootsie 0 Posted April 2, 2008 Shhhhh... you cant say stuff like this on here, it makes sense and is a rational debate as to why even big clubs in the division like us are struggling along with half the league. Better to shout ''TELL ME I AM WRONG'' and start multiple threads proclaiming it all the boards fault.[quote user="blahblahblah"][quote]We all know, of course, that it has seemed on any given day this season any team appears capable of beating any other team. Do you think it''s an aberration or are there factors at work, financial or otherwise, that are causing a greater equalisation in the teams that compete in this division? [/quote] I think there are a couple of factors at play here :a) The huge prize for success, creating greater competition.b) Massive Premiership squads. Anyone who shows a bit of talent or ability in a televised championship game or two seems to get hoovered up by Premiership teams. Kenwynne Jones, Dickson Etuhu, Robert Earnshaw, David Nugent, the boy Cotterill at Wigan, are examples of this, there are many more. As a result, teams like Charlton and Sheff Utd have been forced to look to league 1 for strikers to mount a championship promotion challenge, because they can''t compete with Birmingham, Fulham, or even Derby for players. So the parachute payments aren''t as much of an advantage as in previous years, because the talent just hasn''t been available to the parachute payment teams to mount a promotion challenge.What are the options available to championship managers ? Either they can use the loan system effectively to bring in young stars / Prem reserves, or they can look to build an organised unit of the players that the Premiership doesn''t want. I suspect that the 2nd option is the one that is most likely to offer success in the longer term.[/quote] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
blahblahblah 2 Posted April 2, 2008 [quote user="JC"]Shhhhh... you cant say stuff like this on here, it makes sense and is a rational debate as to why even big clubs in the division like us are struggling along with half the league. Better to shout ''TELL ME I AM WRONG'' and start multiple threads proclaiming it all the boards fault.[/quote]You would have thought, that after 3,134 posts I''d be getting the hang of things in here, eh JC. I guess I must be a slow learner...[:)] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
First Jedi 0 Posted April 2, 2008 "The teams occupying the 6 playoff spots traditionally finish with a combined points total over the season in the range of 500 points. Sometimes a few more, sometimes a few less but always close to that number. It appears the group this year will have a difficult time amassing more than 450 points. "Thats because they haven''t finished! You need to compare like for like i.e. this point of the season vs. this point of the season OR end of season vs. end of season. Otherwise you are creating a false impression. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent Canary 0 Posted April 2, 2008 I think thats been taken into account. The top 6 currently amass around 400 points. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YankeeCanary 0 Posted April 2, 2008 Okay, so let''s take hypothesis one step further. Imagine that we slightly adjust the results of the top 6 teams by removing a combined number of 30 points from them without changing their current league position. This entails only removing a maximum of 2 wins ( 6 points ) from the top four teams, less from the next two. Then take those 30 points and allocate three additional points to each of ten teams from Southampton up ( we will leave Scunthorpe and Colchester unchanged ). That''s just one additional win for each of those ten lower placed teams. Now the table tightens up considerably without any change in the current position for all teams in the division. Far fetched you think.....but not by much is it? One more win for each of the ten lower placed teams, that''s all. If this scenario were real it would mean the difference between the team winning the title and the team being relegated in 22nd place would be a mere 5 wins on the season. With all teams scrambling for loanees in the future ( as outlined on another thread by fellas ) you can begin to see how marginal success and failure could become in this division.P.S. Obviously, I realise the goals tally would have changed but that would be carrying silliness a little too far.. Also, for obvious reasons, I could not bring myself to reverse the position of Wolves and Ipswich on goal differential. TeamPWDLFAPtsGD1Bristol City 41 17 13 11 49 47 64 2 2Stoke City 41 16 15 10 63 51 63 12 3Hull City 41 17 11 13 59 41 62 18 4West Brom 40 17 10 13 78 51 61 27 5Watford 40 16 16 8 58 47 60 11 6Wolves 40 16 12 12 47 45 60 2 7Ipswich Town 40 16 12 12 58 49 60 9 8Plymouth Argyle 41 16 11 14 53 44 59 9 9Crystal Palace 41 14 17 10 46 39 59 7 10Burnley 41 15 13 13 55 55 58 0 11Charlton Athletic 41 15 12 14 56 51 57 5 12Cardiff City 40 14 14 12 47 44 56 3 13Sheffield United 40 14 14 12 43 44 56 -1 14QPR 41 14 14 13 56 58 56 -2 15Preston NE 41 16 8 17 43 45 56 -2 16Blackpool 41 12 17 12 54 53 53 1 17NORWICH CITY 41 14 10 17 41 51 52 -10 18Coventry City 41 14 10 17 43 54 52 -11 19Leicester City 41 12 14 15 39 38 50 1 20Sheffield Wednesday 40 13 10 17 42 47 49 -5 21Barnsley 40 12 13 15 43 57 49 -14 22Southampton 41 12 13 16 49 67 49 -18 23Scunthorpe 41 9 11 21 38 61 38 -23 24Colchester United 41 6 15 20 55 76 33 -21 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YankeeCanary 0 Posted April 3, 2008 Obviously, the Watford numbers should have been changed to something like 15 W, 15 T and 10 L. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites