FORGIVENESS MAY BE FORTHCOMING.....IF.........

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I doubt anyone wants Delia and Co out for the sake of it..........but the turmoil of the last couple of years must be laid squarely at their feet. It isn''t the fault of the fans....as we have turned up loyally each matchday.......and while they could have done much better......you can''t turn a group of journeyman players into matchwinners. With the exception of a few....what we have is laughable for a club of our potential. Why in Gods name Fleming was preferred to Malky as a rock to build on I will never ever know......

I may be able to forgive and forget one day if Delia finally stops playing the celebrity and gets her a**e out of the limelight....clubs seldom work when they are dominated by the Chairman. It''s a mans world in football too I''m afraid and for me she should stick to boiling eggs. The embarrassing "let''s be ''avin you" jibe will live with this club for years now........and I''m afraid any humour I saw in it at the time has long since evaporated. We don''t need a nanny Delia.....we need direction. That has to come from the top and that is why WE pay you.

We don''t want another chummy little association at the top. Any new manager should be kept at arms length and be allowed to manage the team. Close relationships at such a level give rise to complacency.....and Worthy was overprotected........and over paid.

We want more funds directed at what matters to the supporters and less of our money going to feed the fat corporate entertainment section.......many of whom don''t even like football and just turn up for the booze and the meal. I KNOW THIS FOR A FACT.....so please don''t deny it!

We want to get back to picking up good young players on the rise, who under a good manager could blossom. If our current lot aren''t up to it, get ''em out.......even if it means another consolidation period before making a challenge to get promotion.

Stop this ''little old Norwich'' crap. Those words from Delia''s mouth still haunt me and the giggly girly image has to go. No more interviews to keep yourself in the public eye........just step back and write a book or something.

To all of the Board.......FFS stop treating us like idiots with your lies and spin. The endless diversions and ''need to know'' dismissals. You may own the bricks and mortar at Carrow Road.........but you will never own the spirit........that belongs to US....THE SUPPORTERS........AND PLEASE DON''T FORGET IT!!!!!!!!!!

So.......just get on with the job......quietly in the background and we might just forget you are there. As for Doncaster..........a despicable spin-doctor...surely he has to go next. Does he really think we are a bunch of thickos? ......Clear off back to your real favourite club....and stop sucking the blood out of ours. Just like Worthington........we don''t like you. We don''t like you one little bit..............

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I doubt anyone wants Delia and Co out for the sake of it..........but the turmoil of the last couple of years must be laid squarely at their feet. It isn''t the fault of the fans....as we have turned up loyally each matchday.......and while they could have done much better......you can''t turn a group of journeyman players into matchwinners. With the exception of a few....what we have is laughable for a club of our potential. Why in Gods name Fleming was preferred to Malky as a rock to build on I will never ever know......

I may be able to forgive and forget one day if Delia finally stops playing the celebrity and gets her a**e out of the limelight....clubs seldom work when they are dominated by the Chairman. It''s a mans world in football too I''m afraid and for me she should stick to boiling eggs. The embarrassing "let''s be ''avin you" jibe will live with this club for years now........and I''m afraid any humour I saw in it at the time has long since evaporated. We don''t need a nanny Delia.....we need direction. That has to come from the top and that is why WE pay you.

We don''t want another chummy little association at the top. Any new manager should be kept at arms length and be allowed to manage the team. Close relationships at such a level give rise to complacency.....and Worthy was overprotected........and over paid.

We want more funds directed at what matters to the supporters and less of our money going to feed the fat corporate entertainment section.......many of whom don''t even like football and just turn up for the booze and the meal. I KNOW THIS FOR A FACT.....so please don''t deny it!

We want to get back to picking up good young players on the rise, who under a good manager could blossom. If our current lot aren''t up to it, get ''em out.......even if it means another consolidation period before making a challenge to get promotion.

Stop this ''little old Norwich'' crap. Those words from Delia''s mouth still haunt me and the giggly girly image has to go. No more interviews to keep yourself in the public eye........just step back and write a book or something.

To all of the Board.......FFS stop treating us like idiots with your lies and spin. The endless diversions and ''need to know'' dismissals. You may own the bricks and mortar at Carrow Road.........but you will never own the spirit........that belongs to US....THE SUPPORTERS........AND PLEASE DON''T FORGET IT!!!!!!!!!!

So.......just get on with the job......quietly in the background and we might just forget you are there. As for Doncaster..........a despicable spin-doctor...surely he has to go next. Does he really think we are a bunch of thickos? ......Clear off back to your real favourite club....and stop sucking the blood out of ours. Just like Worthington........we don''t like you. We don''t like you one little bit..............

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Rubbish. Neil Doncaster is the only Chief Exec I know who regularly makes the effort to go out and meet the fans. On match days he regularly spends time outside chatting to all and sundry and occasionally receiving idiotic abuse for his trouble. He gives out his e-mail address to the fans and personally replies to every message, even the "Bring back Kenny Fogggggooooo" brigade, and has even given his mobile number to fans on occasion if they wish to speak to him. A despicable spin-doctor?

I think you''re trying to incite a new division between the board and the fans now, and it''s not neccesary or welcome. Please keep your ill-conceived poison to yourself. Yesterday ended with a nasty but neccesary outcome, lets leave it at that and move on.

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I have to agree with Canary02 on this - some things that are done at the club are not to everyones'' tastes, but that''s opinion for you.  When a new manager is appointed, they will put their own footprint into the way things are done, the relationship between manager and board will be different, some things will adjust, others will stay the same.

Cluckin'' - Your opinion of Delia is chauvenistic, I should imagine it''s the kind of attitude that Delia deals with in most clubs, old fashioned and unrequired.  Quit throwing insults and move on with the rest of us.

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Everyone is entitled to their view and I say it as I see it.

I go back 40 odd years with this great club of ours and have seen many changes. I don''t like what I see and thats that. If you''re happy with it.........fine.

I don''t post for approval..............

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[quote] I don''t like what I see and thats that. If you''re happy with it.........fine. [/quote]

Actually, the way that transfer business is conducted frustrates me at the moment, I feel that most managers that work on small budgets (and we will need one of these if we don''t promote) would want more control over the deals made, rather than giving a list of players to non-playing staff to chase.  I may be wrong though.

Insulting the people you choose to criticise causes your criticism to be lost in the insults.

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I don''t take issue with you because I understand and agree with some things you have put forward on here.......but I don''t like the way the club is run presently. Too much spin and too much taking loyal fans'' loyalty for granted.

I''m certain Delia is a nice and well meaning woman....and my comments were not in the least bit chauvenistic when taken in the context that she is a tv cook. No reference is made that it is my idea of a ''womans'' place.....just your translation. I infact I do most of the cooking for my kids.....so you''re out by a mile. Football IS a mans world whether we like it or not.......and I happen to like it that way.

I choose to criticise Doncaster because he is trying to be everything to everyone......The fans'' contact with the Board. I''m not so gullible happily and the spin just switches me off. We are told what is convenient....thats all.

Things need sorting and getting the manager replaced was the start. No-one else upstairs need do likewise as long as they start treating us as intelligent adults. Clarity and openess....is that too much to hope for? 

Do you know of any other club which has had prolonged success with a ''figure head'' celebrity Chairman?  Elton John soon blew himself out. No one person should be bigger than Norwich City Football Club itself.....

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[quote]I don''t take issue with you because I understand and agree with some things you have put forward on here.......[/quote]

Thanks and sorry, I tend to be too forthright in my criticism of others on here, first thing that pops into my head usually gets me in trouble...  You made some good points but I felt they were lost in the bluster.

Doncaster is in a tricky position, in my opinion some things need to be hidden from the fans (and probably are), otherwise everything become open for questioning, and you will never please everyone.  In offering openness, you can leave yourself open to accusations of spin I guess.  I think he plays most things with a straight bat, am I naieve ? 

[quote]Do you know of any other club which has had prolonged success with a ''figure head'' celebrity Chairman?  Elton John soon blew himself out. No one person should be bigger than Norwich City Football Club itself.....[/quote]

A good question - Mo Fayed I guess, Fulham are still in the Premiership, although his ambition to be the "Man United of London" has been blown out of the water somewhat by Roman Abramovich.  Most high-profile chairmen tend to be successful businessmen, in Smith and Jones you can argue that we have a figurehead for the club, and someone with good understanding of what it takes to make a business succeed.

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Yo Blah........(has a familiar ring?).

I guess it''s all got very passionate and ''I'' like so many others here are running around looking for answers.

I''m going to revert to type from now on and concentrate on what really matters.......getting our club back on track.  I just hope Delia has learnt a valuable lesson though in that this club is deeply adored by many thousands of people and it hurts when we see it injured. She has the strings to pull on our behalf and it''s not nice sitting and watching it all go wrong.........though I admit I doubt it was done deliberately.

 

 

 

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[quote user="just-cluckin"]

I doubt anyone wants Delia and

Co out for the sake of it..........but the turmoil of the last

couple of years must be laid squarely at their feet. It isn''t the fault

of the fans....as we have turned up loyally each matchday.......and

while they could have done much better......you can''t turn a group of

journeyman players into matchwinners. With the exception of a

few....what we have is laughable for a club of our potential. Why in

Gods name Fleming was preferred to Malky as a rock to build on I will

never ever know......

I may be able to forgive and forget one day if Delia finally

stops playing the celebrity and gets her a**e out of the

limelight....clubs seldom work when they are dominated by the Chairman.

It''s a mans world in football too I''m afraid and for me she should

stick to boiling eggs. The embarrassing "let''s be ''avin you" jibe will

live with this club for years now........and I''m afraid any humour I

saw in it at the time has long since evaporated. We don''t need a nanny

Delia.....we need direction. That has to come from the top and that is

why WE pay you.

We don''t want another chummy little association at the top. Any new

manager should be kept at arms length and be allowed to manage the

team. Close relationships at such a level give rise to

complacency.....and Worthy was overprotected........and over paid.

We want more funds directed at what matters to the supporters and

less of our money going to feed the fat corporate entertainment

section.......many of whom don''t even like football and just turn up

for the booze and the meal. I KNOW THIS FOR A FACT.....so please don''t

deny it!

We want to get back to picking up good young players on the rise,

who under a good manager could blossom. If our current lot aren''t up to

it, get ''em out.......even if it means another consolidation period

before making a challenge to get promotion.

Stop this ''little old Norwich'' crap. Those words from Delia''s mouth

still haunt me and the giggly girly image has to go. No more interviews

to keep yourself in the public eye........just step back and write a

book or something.

To all of the Board.......FFS stop treating us like idiots with your

lies and spin. The endless diversions and ''need to know'' dismissals.

You may own the bricks and mortar at Carrow Road.........but you will

never own the spirit........that belongs to US....THE

SUPPORTERS........AND PLEASE DON''T FORGET IT!!!!!!!!!!

So.......just get on with the job......quietly in the background and

we might just forget you are there. As for Doncaster..........a

despicable spin-doctor...surely he has to go next. Does he really think

we are a bunch of thickos? ......Clear off back to your real favourite

club....and stop sucking the blood out of ours. Just like

Worthington........we don''t like you. We don''t like you one little

bit..............

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Sorry JC but can you tell me who the Chairman of our club is? I wasn''t

aware we had one. I quite agree that dictatorial Chairman are not a

recipe for success at football club, that clown at Palace being a prime

example, our own Mr Chase another. We have a board and a CEO -

decisions are taken by a board of directors, not by a single individual

which is exactly what breeds these dictatorships. What that does mean

is that decisions and direction has to come, in agreement, from a

number of people - the board. And yes, that does sometimes lead to a

lack of direction if those people aren''t all pulling in the same

direction. That''s the flip side of having a board vs a Chairman. You

can''t have it both ways.

As for Delia playing the celebrity... What nonsesne! In case you

haven''t noticed, every other idiot in the world is doing whatever they

can to secure what we call ''celebrity'' these days and Delia is

certainly not one of them by any stretch of the imagination.  Do

you see her trying to get in the papers or in magazines, on day time

tv, on ''celebrity'' talent shows or reality tv? Are we going to see

Delia in the jungle with Ant and Dec this winter? I think not! She does

interviews with the local press because, believe it or

not, she is asked by the press because people want to hear what the

club''s owners have to say about major issues. If she

refused to give any interviews, everyone would be on here accusing her

of hiding. So how you can accuse her of being too in the limelight i

don''t know. Just

on the strength of the lets be ''avin you episode? I don''t think you can

lay the blame for the club''s demise there! Yes it was embarrasing, yes

i''d rather she hadn''t done it, but if nothing else it showed that she

is, above all else, just a huge fan of this football club, and

i for one am not going to criticise her for that.

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 may be able to forgive and forget one day if Delia finally stops playing the celebrity and gets her a**e out of the limelight....clubs seldom work when they are dominated by the Chairman. It''s a mans world in football too I''m afraid and for me she should stick to boiling eggs. The embarrassing "let''s be ''avin you" jibe will live with this club for years now........and I''m afraid any humour I saw in it at the time has long since evaporated. We don''t need a nanny Delia.....we need direction. That has to come from the top and that is why WE pay you  

Just- cluckin

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This is really rich !   you want Delia  " out of the limelight "      yet when she does , up  goes the cry   that we don`t see her   when  things go wrong !    well , she got into the limelight  yesterday  , and  sacked the manager !   just WHAT is it you expect  of someone in her position ? 

There`s NO ,repeat No ,evidence  that Delia interferes  in the footballing  side  of the club !  do you  have direct knowledge  that we`re not privy to ?         as for,  " Clubs seldom work  when they are dominated by the chairman " ,  maybe  you should remember  Mad Mandaric , or the Glazer bros ,  or the Russian mafia man at Chelski  , to mention just a few !  you want them in charge ? 

You scoff at  Delia`s  revenue source  as, "   boil an egg "   you actually know NOTHING !   running a restaurant  is a very demanding  business ....  maybe you should look at an episode or two  of  the Gordon Ramsey series  ?    the " fat cats "  you seem to despise  , ARE putting their money into the club  , its called business    ..........   delias restaurant IS making a profit   , live with it !

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 may be able to forgive and forget one day if Delia finally stops playing the celebrity and gets her a**e out of the limelight....clubs seldom work when they are dominated by the Chairman. It''s a mans world in football too I''m afraid and for me she should stick to boiling eggs. The embarrassing "let''s be ''avin you" jibe will live with this club for years now........and I''m afraid any humour I saw in it at the time has long since evaporated. We don''t need a nanny Delia.....we need direction. That has to come from the top and that is why WE pay you  

Just- cluckin

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This is really rich !   you want Delia  " out of the limelight "      yet when she does , up  goes the cry   that we don`t see her   when  things go wrong !    well , she got into the limelight  yesterday  , and  sacked the manager !   just WHAT is it you expect  of someone in her position ? 

There`s NO ,repeat No ,evidence  that Delia interferes  in the footballing  side  of the club !  do you  have direct knowledge  that we`re not privy to ?         as for,  " Clubs seldom work  when they are dominated by the chairman " ,  maybe  you should remember  Mad Mandaric , or the Glazer bros ,  or the Russian mafia man at Chelski  , to mention just a few !  you want them in charge ? 

You scoff at  Delia`s  revenue source  as, "   boil an egg "   you actually know NOTHING !   running a restaurant  is a very demanding  business ....  maybe you should look at an episode or two  of  the Gordon Ramsey series  ?    the " fat cats "  you seem to despise  , ARE putting their money into the club  , its called business    ..........   delias restaurant IS making a profit   , live with it !

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Suitably unpleasant and pretty much what I would expect from the arrogant know alls who graze this site from time to time.

I''m entitled to my view and I suggest you pick on someone who might be worried by your abuse. I stand by what I say in that too much emphasis has been put towards Corporate Leisure and not enough towards the areas most of us plebs enjoy........namely the onfield activities.

As for knowing ''nothing'' my friend..............that makes two of us then.

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From this Hammer to a club seemingly in turmoil?

Been there, seen it, got the postcard, as regards going down, getting a new Manager and voicing disaproval at the board.

Developing home grown talent.

It''s surely not as easy as that? If you do raise excellent young talent, bigger clubs will come along and nick them. At WHU we demand that the club develops young, local talent, but it costs alot of money to train a kid from age 12 to 18. For every one that makes it, scores do not. They all have to be paid for too.

Money coming into the club. -

A good number of Premier clubs now buy cheaper foreign players. Perhaps, you should consider it?As regards corporate hospitality, it is a huge part of todays football. Man Utd put a huge amount of money into it so as to get a large income stream.

At my club, WHU, we have hotel and corporate facilities which are an important part of increasing our finances.

Delia

Unfortunately, "lets be avin'' you" will remain with NUFC for all time. All clubs laugh at it.

I can never take the club seriously again without seeing Delia stand on the touchline and shout her "war chant". How embarrasing is it to you guys?

Be careful what you wish for.

We shouted for our chairman to leave, now we have Argies, Iranians, Israelis etc all over the place. Oh to return to English investors and players.

 

 

Happyhammer

 

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Good logic Andy.....and coming from a club that just about everybody admires. Great players over the decades..... along with some highs and lows.

Norwich were always good at bringing on young talent, plus taking rejects from other sides that we felt had promise. The scouting set-up was good and managers like Dave Stringer took us onto another level. I could quote a list.....but this is history.  With all of the foreign players in this country now, there should be even more good kids to pick up.......but poor old Worthy didn''t have the eye.

Re the corporate side...of course it''s important...but I think the board''s eye came off the ball and too much emphasis and cash was moved in the wrong direction. A football club needs decent players to be successful......not just a restaurant. Man Utd are a different animal to Norwich....but I take your point.

It seems everybody loves Delia and I have no issues with her as a person........but as you say....mention Norwich City to ANYONE and it''s all about Delia Smith. Sometimes you have to be honest in order to see through things....and for me that image is not a good one. We are a laughing stock amongst other clubs whether we like it or not now........that can''t be changed. I travel to many places each week on business and beyond the Norwich bubble it doesn''t get easy if you say you support Norwich City. Eventually the joke wears very thin.

As you said in another thread...we aren''t a mega club, nor will we ever be. We know that, but some ambition and guts goes a long way with Norwich fans........for us it''s not all about winning. Losing with dignity is something we can all take....capitulating is not. ''Little old Norwich'' is all in the mind.....and ''little old West Ham'' have had their tough times too.