Yellow Fever 3,858 Posted January 3 Don't see a thread on this but very topical. My view is that the government needs tomorrow to come up with a plan to restore say over three years the 35%. Else there will be soon no NHS (c.f Dentistry) and to see a (private) doctor will cost each of us hundreds per consultation. Drugs extra. Supply and demand. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dylanisabaddog 5,087 Posted January 4 Inflation plus 3% for 8 years Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Load of Squit 5,254 Posted January 4 No rises for MP's for the next 20 years (some MP's get £80k plus expenses plus freebies to sports, arts and 'fact finding' trips abroad) and the money going to the Junior Doctors. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Load of Squit 5,254 Posted January 4 Just now, A Load of Squit said: No rises for MP's for the next 20 years (some MP's get £80k plus £200k expenses plus freebies to sports, arts and 'fact finding' trips abroad) and the money going to the Junior Doctors. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barbe bleu 837 Posted January 5 (edited) I looked into comparative pay and found the following which might help frame some thoughts: Junior doctors in England start on a basic salary of £32,398, this rises to £37,303 after one year and £63,152 after seven. There are various training and specialism premiums and other pathways available that can add several thousand to the basic (weekends etc also add to the basic package) 9-10 years after starting training junior doctors can begin to consider the rise to consultant where the basic salary is £93,666 Median salary for FT workers in the UK is £34,963. For people with degrees that rises to £38,500. These are 'whole career' averages, I didn't find anything that directly shows average pay progression with experience. Edited January 5 by Barbe bleu 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barbe bleu 837 Posted January 5 (edited) Medical school remains a very attractive prospect for school leavers despite the relative cut in starting salary. UK medical schools can all essily fill their places with between 6 and 21 applicants per place. With entry standards seemingly set at a minimum AAA at A level there is no data to suggest that the standard of person wanted to enter the profession has slipped over the last decade or so. https://www.medschools.ac.uk/about-us Edited January 5 by Barbe bleu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barbe bleu 837 Posted January 5 (edited) The overall number of doctors has increased in recent years. therefore it must be concluded that doctors are (or were until 2021 at least) joining the NHS at a faster rate than they are leaving. This is borne out by data which shows no change in leaving rates there is little evidence that rates at which doctors are leaving the profession are disproportionate in the junior category. Of those that left the NHS wanting to live or practice abroad was a common motivation, albeit not much more common than wishing to retire. The number of doctors retiring or leaving to practice abroad is less than the number of new trainees enrolled into medical school each year (9500). Edited January 5 by Barbe bleu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barbe bleu 837 Posted January 5 (edited) Suggestions that the NHS is propped up by foreign recruitment are demonstrable, and this trend is growing. How sustainable worldwide recruitment is likely to be should be a consideration in pay consideration. Recruitment from the EEA fell before the brexit vote and appears to have stablised https://www.gmc-uk.org/about/what-we-do-and-why/data-and-research/the-state-of-medical-education-and-practice-in-the-uk/workforce-report#executive-summary Edited January 5 by Barbe bleu Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
