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    [quote user="The Great Mass Debater"]"He played 26 won 6 drew 7 and lost 13. 25pts. Using his current ppg ratio he would finish a whole season on 36 points. I''d love that ATM. Unbeaten in half his games? Is it that bad?"

    You cant really use a ppg ratio that excludes games against the top 4 and then extrapolate from it a projected level of performance against those top clubs. Adams wont reach 36 points, but its seriously misguided to suggest thats what Hughton was on course to achieve using that as a rationale[/quote]

    Why is it any more misguided than using it to project Sunderland''s points tally?

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    He played 26 won 6 drew 7 and lost 13. 25pts. Using his current ppg ratio he would finish a whole season on 36 points. I''d love that ATM. Unbeaten in half his games? Is it that bad?

    His record including cup is 34.29. Looking at the overall picture of the job he''s done, reads pretty well. There''s no denying that they have had two fantastic cup runs and a trip to Wembley that the fans will never forget.

    Has the cup affected them? Course it has. Did di canio affect sunderlands season? Of course. He had 2 months with a fragile squad, turned them around and they still stand an outside chance of staying up. It''s no coincidence that Sunderland fans love him, regardless of his %''s.

    People that look at the black and white of the league position are a bit narrow minded. After all......we finished 11th last yr and that was deemed as progress [:0]

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    Cup games? Excuses, just like squad fragility and injuries.

    When Hughton was sacked his ppg ratio for this season would have seen us finish the season on 37 points (36.85). Any turnaround seems to have taken place "on the spot" as they remain bottom of the league and haven''t won a league fixture since February 1st.

    That run of form, his win% and his ppg ratio ALL suggests to me that Poyet''s record is untenable, by your standards, for a Premier League manager.

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    [quote user="can u sit down please"]I would''ve had poyet. Sunderland were dead and buried and and still have a chance of staying up.

    They''ve had a coupl of great cup runs, beat the big boys and all of there fans love him.

    Maybe they''ll go down but they''ve gone down fighting knowing 99% of the blame lays with di canio.[/quote]

    I reckon you must see what you want to.

    Poyet has had 26 games and lost half of them. They haven''t won a game since February 1st. His win% is 23.1 - that is unacceptable for a Premier League manager, wouldn''t you say?

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    ICF, you demonstrate my point perfectly, can you really not see where the media are coming from?.

     

    I''ve tried to indicate how our recent activity is likely to be perceived to those with no attachment to the club.

     

    Sherwood was given far longer, we''ve replaced a manager who averaged more than a point a game over two seasons with a manager that''s never won a point in the PL.

    With five games to go, a point a game would keep us up.

    CH has managed against the big 4 previously and had obtained wins against Man U and Arsenal. A repeat of either would keep us up.

     

    Your assumptions from our point of view as fans is exactly how most NCFC fans perceive it, we''d lost our last 6 away, put in an abject display against WBA and all hope appeared lost. Adams has come in, given the fans a lift, freshened things up and we believe/d we had half a chance.

     

    But - if you take off the fan glasses - it''s not difficult to see why the media think that the move to sack Hughton is bonkers. It''s not my personal opinion but I can see their thinking. They aren''t attached, they''re not aware of the intricacies, they just see a few highlights and then a league table. If it had been a rival club taking this action this late in the season, what would your reaction have been?

     

    And when Hughton was sacked, we weren''t favourites for the third relegation spot. Before Saturday''s game we were still odds against at 11/10. We are now 4/9 third favourites.

     

     

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    I''m not sure you can be TOO critical of the media position.

     

    The facts are that Hughton was sacked while we were 5 points outside the drop zone with 5 tough games to go. They replaced a manager who had managed to mastermind just 4 away wins in nearly two seasons with a guy who''d never even managed a PL away game let alone won one ahead of a crucial away game. Hughton''s win% was a little over 25, with 4 games left we need the new guy, realistically, to hit a 25% win ratio.

     

    If you remove the emotion - not easy as fans - you can see that to an outsider who has no attachment to the club at all; this could look mental. To us, the crack had become a crevasse and was irreparable, but we''ve essentially put a guy with zero experience in his chair and asked him to do as well as the last guy had been doing in order to keep us up, but from the toughest run of fixtures.

     

    It''s impossible to say whether we''d have fared any better or worse under Hughton, Adams or anyone else, but while as a fan I can''t agree with the media standpoint, it''s not difficult to see where they are coming from.

  13. Posted

    Fulham 8 Norwich 3.

    Adams has never managed to achieve a single away win in the premier league.

    We''ll play some lovely pacy forward play because Adams used to play on the wing but with no solid defenders in his coaching team we will be CLUELESS at the back.

    And he''s a nice man.

    IN all seriousness, I expect us to lose 5 or 6.

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    Hughton didn''t "leave us" he was sacked.

    Upon his sacking the club were left 5 points above the drop with 5 tough games to play. If we go down, he won''t be there to take the flak.

    If we stay up, you won''t be able to thank him for the 32 points we had in the bank either.

    Swings and roundabouts really...;-)
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