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4 nil - its melt down - Holt and Jonson should not of started simple as that
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3 down - getting worse - just heard that members of the yellow army leaving the ground with 15 minutes to go - i dont see where we can go from here other than the bottom of the league - Swindons record is under severe threat. If the management team do not change the team starting next week then we have to say that they are incompetent for the job.
Green/Ward
Edworthy Flem Shackell Charlton
Bentley Mulryan Francis Huckerby
Jarvis Svensson
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Agreed - as soon as i heard that the team is the same I said here we go again..... that first half performance was rubbish - no possession in midfield - cannot string two passes together - Neil ádams said the defence is playing like schoolboys - where do we go from here - a major rocket and changes needed at half time.
Get holt off (replace with mulryan) get jonson off (replace with bentley) next game replace drury with charlton and put a shackell in the middle.
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Fully agree northerner - although you are not as far north as me... Lets hope that the board and management would take a similar approach - right from the the summer there has been an air of resignation from the people at the top - this has to stop right away as it effects the players and fans. I agree with another poster that we probably have as much talent as Palace right now - but we are missing a game plan, good man marking, good passing and also self belief - I am afraid the only ones that can improve that is the coaching staff and the players. -
You hit the nail on the head Essex boy, I prefer it when people refer to the hard facts. -
Its the boards negative conotations that I am having a go at. You should never go into battle with your leaders already publicly fearing the worst - thats the oldest lesson in the book. I agree the buck stops with the coaching staff - and I mean them as a team - Foley and Livermore have just as much say as Worthy - infact I often think when watching them in the dugout that its Foley who is working the tactics, I sit right behind the dugout and can see and hear whats going on - often not alot.
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I agree pretty much with your team selection Stevenage. I certainly think alot of our goals have been conceded down drury''s side this season and clearly Holt and Francis are too similar in their style - neither are playmakers. What really concerns me is the man marking and massive voids that appear between our defence and midfield. When watching other teams in the prem including a magic palace tonight - they close down any gaps and get men behind the ball - then they move out quickly from defence as a team with crisp, accurate passing. Until we can start to do that I am afraid it wont matter too much who we put in the starting squad - the end result will be similar. The tactics and style has to improve and the belief needs to return - the ways it looks right now we are heading for meltdown. -
Just saw Palace hold the arsenal to a 1-1 draw - these boys are flying - they defend well with excellent man marking, they get men behind the ball, their midfield can fight, win and then pass the ball and they have johnson up front who is on fire. Overall they work and move up the field as a team. The two Finns Rihilahti and Kolkka make our Swede (Jonson) and Dane (Helveg) look like jokers. They are playing with passion and dont give any respect to their opposition. Our players show too much respect, they stand off and allow huge gaps between the defence and midfield for players like Dickov to run riot in. I am sorry but unless we really start to man mark better and also sharpen the passing we are going straight down. Forget the transfer window - it will be too late by then - the next 5-6 games will decide our fate, wait till January and we have missed the boat. I got the impression already in the summer that the board had one eye stell on the 1st division and they often referred to lets do a Charlton - this means that we need to go down again, regroup - and have another go with more money in the wallet. Bunch of defeatists.
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I think the poor substitutions made the difference and also a lack of leadership on the field - that comes down to the coaching staff and then the captaincy on the field - I think alot of the booing was targeted at the bench. -
The coaching staff have to put their hands up and admit that they made a terrible substitution. I agreed with taking Jonson off but Mcveigh should of taken his position and Mulryan should of been bought on as a playmaker. I am not asking for heads to role - but they should admit they messed up. We need more playmaking in the centre of the park and that means safri or mulryan in for holt of francis. -
The way we threw it away today - we need more than just Bent - need a decent right winger - a strong play maker and passer in midfield and of course a striker. Have we got the money? No..... -
We cannot even beat 10 men - then to give away a one nil lead is pathetic, our midfield went to sleep in the 2nd half - no creativity. Huckerby very quiet again. Heads will drop big time now. -
It certainly seems like the Finnish centre forward Kuqi is the man - looks very strong on the ball, holds the ball up well like our old Iwan used too. -
For hendo - he had too little time to make an impact, if he can show the lightening speed and skill that bellamy showed at his age then we are onto another winner. I feel he needs to build up his body strength more - he still looks a bit too light weight - more work outs in the gym needed.
Brennan filled in the position very well considering he had not played at the top level this season - once Drury is back though.....
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Points taken - but seems Helveg had not been in first team action in series A for quite a while - would that indicate he was not upto it or was he injured? it was quite a coup for Norwich City to get such an international superstar player so cheaply in the twilight of his career. He is an excellent shielder of the ball and showed some good tackling skills - but his speed and distribution is very suspect - the speed I can understand from the slow boring pace of series A but the distribution is awful - wonder if he is colour blind?
Jonson - I think enough has been said on other postings - we are all entitled to our opinions as loyal supporters (I am one that flies back to Norwich for a large amount of the home games from Finland). Seeing the young lad flood playing from Man C last night - which would be a better return on investment. Jonson already getting on a bit.
Svensson - as said he has a proven track record in the 1st division - and last night he put himself about as also in the Everton game which helped lift the rest of the team - hope that he can turn that effort into some goals soon.
Overall it was an excellent point - and lady luck turned our way - as Worthy said today - maybe we have turned the corner now and all those efforts that have hit the posts will be going in from now!
Saturdays score
NCFC 2 Blackburn 1
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I know its not good to be critical towards individual players - but we have to admit the facts that at this level (yes the best league in the world) teams cannot afford to carry passengers for the ride. I cannot fault Jonsons effort - but he really just looks out of it on the right side - many occasions Svensson was having to come over to the right to win the ball. Jonson didnt win a single ball in the air or on the ground, when he did get possession he gave the ball away with a poor cross or pass. Yes tonight their were some other less than star performances - but if certain players under perform week in week out - then I am sorry but we wont survive if we continue to play them and hope they might come good some sunny day. The right wing wing has been a problem for us for several seasons - the great dane Steeno has never been replaced - he was clearly one of the best crossers our club has seen. Sorry there is no room for sentiment in this league - Jonson out and try little mcveigh again.
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I agree second half Svensson lifted the team and put himself about - much like when he came on against Everton. Seems Huckerby was totally played out of the game - have not seen him so quiet in a Norwich shirt. Think there will need to be a fe changes again for Saturday.
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Ed, Charlton, Flem, Drury/Brennan
Mcveigh Mulryan Francis Huckerby
McKensie Svensson
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Having seen most of the games this season and on the evidence of tonights 1st half - I am afraid our 3 scandinavian players are just not good enough for this level - Helveg (rubbish v Everton) was not good enough for series A, Jonson has no high level experience and cannot pass the ball and Svenson is a good 1st division striker but too slow for this level. Look at Worthys summer signings and hand on heart there is only one decent signing there and thats Simon Charlton. The January sales will be too late to get any decent players in and the prices will be severely over inflated as all the desperate premier league teams like ourselves will be fighting over the dregs like hungry vultures. -
This poster is rather suspicious by their absence - wonder whether they are feeling a bit depressed after seeing their team play like bottom of Div 1 strugglers yesterday and totally outclassed by a mid table hopeful Premier team? -
Just been watching the Everton v Southampton game on canal+sports - Everton are not that great - their key man is the Danish midfielder Thomas Gravesen - he has clearly man of the of match and controlled the whole game. Marcus Bent looked strong and very quick but his finishing was poor. I reckon as Helveg is captain of the Danish team and knows Gravesen the best he should be in the starting line up on Saturday. I would put him in right hand midfield in place of Jonsson. Sounded like Helveg did well when he came on yesterday. From a physical point of view Francis is best placed to keep up with Gravesen - but it might need two players on him - I can see another Liverpool Alonso coming if we dont close him down. Southampton looked a bit like us up front - no real experience or quality in the final third. They played two young reserve lads up front but they got no where - they looked a bit like McKensie - loads of energy and action but not the killer touch to get the goals - Worthy has a huge dilemma how to handle our in experienced front line. I can see another 0-0 coming next saturday.
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I fully support Gerhard Raigner''s opinion - our National team is being screwed up because not enough home grown players are allowed into the top level as this is filled with foreigners.
Concernig EU law - there he might face some serious probems - however rules are made for breaking - and I think breaking of this particular rule would be in the best interest of our wonderful game.
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I am in my second season with canaries world, living here in Helsinki I am far removed from things going on in the great city- Last season I just had a standard modem connection and the result was not too good.
However now I have moved up to broad band 1mg the speed is fine and I can listen to the live commentary''s and see the match highlights pretty well. I am now satisfied with canaries world with this high speed connection.
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Also think that Worthy has realised that Greeno wont be around that long - otherwise no real reason to have 2 international goalkeepers in reserve. I personally think he will be worth a minimum 5mil plus a player swap which could be Bentley - those two things together would make it a good deal. -
Yes - our worst fears are upon us - palcae won 2 nil we are firmly at the bottom of the league for the next few weeks im afraid - the only team in the league without o win. A very sad night.
Same s**t different weekend
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