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    The way we are playing at the moment, they will destroy us. They attack with speed through the middle and counter well, so even if we do get any pressure they're still a threat. I don't think we have the players to stop them now, and Wagner tactically is simply no match for their guy. Sargent maybe would have given them something to think about, and Rowe could if he gave a t++s, but defensively we don't have a prayer.

    I would never "settle" for any kind of defeat at Portman Road, but if you gave me a fighting draw I'd take it.

    Our only chance is that Man Utd sack their manager and steal McKenna before next weekend. But even then, I suspect they'd still do us.

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    On 07/12/2023 at 17:33, Monty13 said:

    This. Farkes sacking was all about that summer business, he wasn’t showing any ability until Brentford to turn it around with those players and so his sacking was inevitable. I really don’t see a way he could have survived to the end of that season.

    There is a difference between not wanting him to have been sacked and understanding why it happened. It happened because the summer created the situation where it basically had to. It was Farke or Webber. I know which I’d have preferred but that wasn’t happening.

    His fate was sealed the day Webber started touting for offers for our best players IMO.

    So the four year deal he got in the middle of that summer when we kind of knew Buendia was on his bike already was what then? Advance compensation?

    Farke had started to get a tune out of some of those signings and whilst that Brentford win was fortunate, there was a reason to be positive as we had 3 winnable games to follow after a very tough start. Webber panicked and pulled the trigger too early. And it was never the plan for that to happen.

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    15 hours ago, Branston Pickle said:

    That’s just so far wrong- first goal he should probably get to, but can’t be blamed for the other two: the third he made a good initial save for.

    And as for quoting Millwall fans, just @&!* off.

    The first was (should have been) a pretty standard save; the second was a deflection but he made no effort to move his feet or claim the cross - not just his fault, mind; the third it bounced away from him - again! Goalkeepers at this level should be saving that - at least pushing it away from danger. He got away with one almost identical shot in the first half. 

    I think Gunn would have stopped the first and third.

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    3 hours ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

    He's not going to be sacked because it's very unlikely that changing the manager in isolation is going to improve our fortunes for this season and Knapper's tenure will be poisoned before he has had a chance to get his feet under the desk. In all seriousness, if people can't just get behind the team to get results and simply try to appreciate them getting results when they do then they need to stop going for the rest of the season for the squad's benefit and for their own benefit.

    That's good advice, which I will be taking because I'm not going to watch these incompetent morons any more.

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    I didn't expect anything this season to be honest. I never thought we had a chance of the top two, and the Playoffs were a big ask while we tried to rebuild/consolidate. I thought that meant we'd blood the youngsters alongside some old stagers to give them a bit of belief and steel. I thought that was what Barnes and Duffy were for. Did we ever think we could miss Josh Sargent this much?

    I assumed, somewhat naively, that we would actually play our biggest summer signing when he was fit, rather than stick with a player who was deemed not good enough for us in this league 3 seasons ago.

    Even so, I simply cannot believe the incompetence on display by our manager and coaching staff. The inability to see what is happening in front of their eyes. The lack of understanding on how to set up a team and how to ask players to perform. The stubbornness of sticking to the same format and expecting something different to happen. The fact that Fassnacht, time and time and time again ball watches rather mark or press his man, and no one shouts at him. That doesn't happen on a Sunday morning!

    David Wagner may well be a lovely bloke. A football manager he is not. He is completely out of his depth.

    I'd much rather see Reyes in goal than Long if Gunn is still unfit. I'd rather see Fisher, Warner, Sainz and Gibbs starting. I'd rather get Tomkinson and Kamara back from their loans in January and get them in the squad. 

    And finally.................sign a fn**ckign defensive midfielder!!!!!!!!

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    For 20 minutes we were really good, then for some reason we stopped playing. Sara should have closed down Kone and Long should have saved his shot. For the second both Long and Baath were taken out by a defection, but both were already in the wrong place for the cross. Personally I'd have brought Nunez on for Hwang, not Barnes.

    So much ball watching, not enough marking and pressing. Fassnacht and Hernandez both invisible and both need to be substituted - get Gibbs and Sainz on. 

    Watford were equally rubbish though. They also have a useless manager with no idea, no plan of how to play and no organisation.

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    4 hours ago, CirclePoint said:

    This.

    I always tell the teams I coach (I oversee a youth developmental program from U8 - U18) to score first, we can work on style points second.

    Yes it’s easy on the eye to make five passes from the back to the attacking third and have a shot on goal, but sometimes, for whatever reason, that’s simply not in the cards.

    So I’ll take a win and the rest can be worked on in training.

    I applaud the team for grinding out a win yesterday. They’re professionals. They’re humans. They know they’re in a rut at the moment and I trust they’ll figure it out. Not saying it’s comfortable or entertaining as a fan, but that’s where we are at the moment.

    Fans who are incessantly complaining about it are not helping in the slightest.

    Think of it like this, what would you say to someone who was sitting next to you in a restaurant eating the food, yet constantly complaining about how bad it was?

    It’s not pretty at the moment and in fact, very demoralizing to watch us play, but I do believe that when we are injury free, the season will turn around.

    This could explain why I don't really like watching football anymore, if coaches are genuinely doing this. What a shame that those youngsters don't play the game for love, rather than results.

    Re the restaurant analogy - I might go back to that restaurant to give it a second chance, but I probably won't keep going if the food continues to be bad. The purpose of complaining is to improve the standard isn't it?

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    A great example of how a manager can improve a player. He'll never be as good for anyone else or anywhere else so hopefully for him Howe stays for a few more years. One of the relatively few players Norwich have sold over many years who have gone on to reach the heights of the game.

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    3 hours ago, Google Bot said:

    Felt it since Sarge got injured, and Barnes followed... We've just got to do what we can during this period and stay around the playoffs as best we can.

    Once back, we'll be one of the better teams in this league and compete with the best. 

    Right now, I think it's critical that we don't lose our **** and push frustrations on the team and coach or we could very much send ourselves into a negative spiral.

    Webber had a chance of bringing cover in as we lost Sarge relatively early, and whether it was finances or things not panning out - appears to have failed, with Idah not really being up to scratch either.

    I just can't see how this team doesn't compete for top 6 with Sainz, Barnes and Sarge added to it.

    Right now, we're watching third choice players trying to step up and keep things together against a team like Leeds who bring on a flurry of top class players at their disposal.  It's a tough ask right now, but it doesn't define us this season by a long shot.

    I think this is spot on - BUT it would help if Wagner didn't keep messing with a performing team with really, really stupid substitutions which in the last 3 games have probably cost us 6 points. Whoever is telling him to do it should move on....

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    49 minutes ago, lake district canary said:

    Yes, it's hard to put in words, but that is how I have felt since the day Webber was allowed to sack Farke. Smith was never going to cut the mustard - and a lot of us knew it - and it's only afterwards that Webber said something about how Smith wasn't the right kind of manager for the fans.....but he should have known - that's his job - and Wagner isn't in the same league as Farke as far as class is concerned (imo). 

    The Premier League is the problem, not Farke, not Alex Neil, not even Chris Hughton. Clubs are prostituting themselves to try and stay in the PL - and our club - that is supposed to have it's feet on the ground now and be sustainable - keeps shooting itself in the foot by sacking people.  Yeeessss, I know that's how football works......but if you stick with the right person, despite the f***ing Premier League,  you will at least keep your soul.  Farke was the one man out of those three we should have done everything to hold on to - and we appeared we had, by giving him a four year contract  then sacked him when the going was tough.

    His charismatic aura is now at another club - and boy didn't we see it in action yesterday, on and off the pitch - and the Leeds fans absolutely love him - even more after yesterday, when they saw how classy he was towards us after the match.

    Some people don't get it, they just see another manager sacked because results were bad, but real leaders, with real charisma are hard to find - and in Farke, we had the best available.  Time will tell if he can do it at the top level with the right resources behind him, but if Leeds have got any sense they will tie him up to the longest contract they can.

    Webber threw him under the bus when he should have held his nerve and supported him.  there are more important things than staying in the PL.

    This. Unfortunately some "supporters" think that individual results are the only thing that matters and as soon as you have a Board or a SD who thinks that then a club like Norwich will never find itself. Before everyone shouts me down - it's about performances, commitment, heart and soul. That's what football is. That's why we played it and that's why we watch it. It's about going with your family or your mates. It's about the highs and the lows - not just the always the same (supporting Man City must be really boring!)

    Yesterday was classic Wagner Norwich City. Lucky to be 2-0 up at half time, having played OK but conceded several big chances Leeds didn't take, we were then completely in control until our manager, for reasons known only to him, replaces Hernandez (our out ball down the left side who had played well and terrified one of their star players all game) with Tony Springett, who swaps wings with a clearly knackered John Rowe.

    I don't know why Rowe can't see out a game fitness wise, I just know he can't. I also know Springett is not the player to bring on in that situation. If Hernandez needed changing it should have been for Placheta - another speed merchant to match theirs,and their tactical switch, and much more defensively adept. Within seconds our substitute keeper (not good enough for Millwall, but fine for our supposedly aspirational club) makes a horlicks at his near post. It happens. But we're still winning until we contrive to give their best player two of the easiest goals he'll ever get. The first was a decent shot that no one closed down, the second was just5 a gimme. Our keeper didn't get within 3 yards of either. No pressure, no strategy, no on field captain screaming at his absent covering midfielders, no sprinting, no teamwork etc. We then spent almost 15 minutes passing it to anyone not in the same colour shirt.

    For 60 minutes they were our team. For the next 30, instigated by a manager who is tactically clueless (but we've had loads of them before) they were the embodiment of embarrassment. It hurt a bit more that it was a tactical change by the man we dumped that we couldn't deal with.

    There are lots of reasons why we lost yesterday but the main one was the manager, not the players. It should have been a good day - he made it a bad one. All that commitment, heart and soul disappeared. All that belief gone. When we had Webber and Farke as a team, we never lost that, even in defeat. There was always the promise that if we stuck to our ways it would all be OK. Not any more. What it will be is average at best. That's why it all feels so depressing; there's very little to hope for beyond trying to stay within 10 points of 6th place until Barnes and Sargent come back.

    Our new young SD has the chance to start again. Bring in a young, hungry manager to work with, tell the supporters what the plan is and to be patient. Keep Sara and Rowe. Get rid of Hwang and Idah. Play the lad from Man City up front or recall Kamara. A new beginning. Wagner, Andy Hughes at al should be gone by Christmas. They are safe mid-table. We need hope and laughter again.

    And by the way, what does Danny Baath need to do to get a game?

     

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    No, the squad is clearly not good enough. We are a mid-table Championship team currently being managed and coached by a mid-table Championship manager and coaching staff and run by a mid-table Championship Board and Sporting Director.

    However, there is now (finally) some hope that might change. We are keeping our heads just above water financially until Attanasio and his new appointments step in. Let's see how that all pans out. 

    In the meantime, just enjoy the occasional victory because that's all we're getting.

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    13 hours ago, Capt. Pants said:

    Yep, and Cantwell leaves on a virtually free transfer.

    It's all very well being ruthless and stubborn as long as you don't shoot yourself in the foot further down the line.

    Following our second promotion, Cantwell was set up as our "main man". Along with Gilmour, he started against Liverpool in the first game and he had right there, the complete trust of his manager and colleagues and the support of almost 27,000 people who desperately wanted him to show he still had it and could step up. Cantwell could have been our new Buendia, our new Hoolahan. He had the skill and ability, we all knew that because we'd seen it.

    Within minutes of the start it was pretty obvious his heart wasn't in it. The rest of the team were pretty rubbish too but he was anonymous. He either wasn't good enough or couldn't be bothered enough at that point, and that was effectively his Norwich career down the pan because he never really recovered. He had more chances but disappointed in every game. He simply couldn't or wouldn't live up to his billing.

    That's why he lost his place. That's why he was shipped off to Bournemouth, where incidentally he barely played. Not because of managers or coaches or being isolated. We did very well to get anything for him at all, given his refusal to sign a contract extension and the fact that at that point 3 coaches had pretty much given up on him. Blaming everyone but himself is just classic Cantwell; there was always an excuse.

    Gilmour had an even worse time but since then he's reset, got his head down, kept his counsel and is doing well at Brighton like a proper professional footballer should. Cantwell - not so much. Too much talking as ever and not enough doing.

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    The Premier League title race was fun but we didn't win it - when we needed to show up against Man Utd at home, we didn't. The games in Europe were fun but we didn't win it. Lambert's first season was fun but apart from the effervescent Holt and a couple of others, the football was effective rather than free-flowing. Never before did we play the football, with the kind of sprit and connection, so frequently that we played under Farke in that first title winning season. Almost every game was a joy.

    Saying "if not for Buendia and Pukki" is a bit silly. If not for Holt and Hoolahan. If not for Huckerby. Every team has stand out players - if not for Rowe and Sara we would be in the bottom 3. That team also had several other players who contributed massively - Krul, Vrancic, Stiepermann, Godfrey, Zimmermann, Lewis, etc. 

    Farke doesn't have a Buendia or a Pukki at Leeds - let's see where they finish.

    Football doesn't begin and end in the premier league - that league is the outlier; the vast majority of football across the world is in a better shape and more interesting to watch than anything in the premier league. Just because it has the most money doesn't make it the "best" league, just the most financially rewarding.

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  22. Posted

    Farke gave us 2018-19; the best season in my 60 odd years of supporting this club. For that I will always love him. But we all know he's got no idea how to manage a club in the EPL, so getting his Leeds team there will be an interesting watch. I'd rather he took second place than the scum so we can beat them again in the playoffs.

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    So much goes on without supporters knowing about it. So he's on £5k a week at 20 - that's £250,000 a year, and yet everyone goes, "Oh, is that all?" He's got 18 months left on his deal apparently plus the club has an option, so this contract lasts for another two and a half years until he can walk for free.

    He's played a handful of games. He has yet to perform well for a complete game of 90 minutes; he's had a number of good 30 minutes at a time but still can't last a game. Who knows where he'll be in two and a half years time? It makes perfect sense that the club would wait and see.

    Rumour is that an agent will always ask for a release clause in a new contract at this stage. So does he gets his new 3 or 4 year deal at £15k a week, a promotion bonus and a decent release, or do we as the club sit tight for a few months to see where he goes?

    The club hold all the cards at the moment. If Palace or Villa come in with £20m in January they can have him. But they won't. If Rowe finishes the season with 20 goals and 10 assists he'll get his new contract, or we'll get our £20m, or both. 

     

  24. Posted

    I'm still not sure that anyone has addressed the issue of Attansasio effectively acquiring the club for an amount way below it's market value. I simply don't understand why the purchase wasn't accompanied by a contractual commitment to donate further funds to the club to make up at least some of the difference in value. All D & M got was two small loans to help with cashflow.

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