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  1. The bloke is delusional if he thinks he should be a Premier League player - doesn't have the engine required. I disagree that he'd have done well in the Championship - not physical enough, he'd have been bypassed. Well suited to the French League obviously.


  2. On 22/04/2024 at 17:19, ricardo said:

    you have to accept that there will always be close decisions that you may come out on the wrong side of.

    Which negates the entire justification for using VAR in the first place. It's clearly not quite as cut and dried as they would have us believe when the lines are drawn differently in games. So we might just as well rely on the assistant ref.

    Having said that, I shouted "offside" at the TV in real time, so maybe they should just let me decide.


  3. Anyone who has played football at any level must recognise that sometimes you get carried away in the heat of the moment, passion of the game etc etc. It's possible you might say and do some things which are usually out of character. The ref is there to control the match and apply the laws i.e. use yellow and red cards when appropriate in his judgement. If a ref's "judgement" is that being sworn at does not warrant a yellow card, then he or she can't really complain when it keeps happening.

    This isn't limited to the professional game - it's a problem at all levels.


  4. 3 minutes ago, hogesar said:

    Because the managers have their own contract, their players contract, the money involved, everything else. So to expect them to sort this is naive. The referee's have one job, and should have no additional / alternate motive. 

    So just book them? How hard is that? You chose to be a ref. You get paid for being a ref. So be a ref. The ref has on-field control to book them for dissent but then doesn't? It's a circle and the ref's have the easiest route to stopping it but choose not to. Whether that's the PGMOL or individual refs decision I don't know

    This. And get rid of VAR entirely. 


  5. 2 hours ago, GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary said:

    Brentford always have to be cited here...'if' you can stay up for 3 seasons, you have a chance to become semi established and then arent talked about as being relegation favourites any longer. This then potentially extends into a 10 yr period such as C.Palace. That has to be the extent that a club of our size can look to aspire to

    Not really - because at some stage in the next 5 to 10 years or so both of these clubs will be relegated. As will Brighton. As will Bournemouth etc etc.  And none of them will win anything in the meantime, or even get close. The "excitement" is in winning enough games to do it all again next season and go through the same purgatory. Then relegation is seen as a disaster when it's really just a part of the game. Then they have to bounce back or rebuild, demanding the return of their "rightful place" at the trough, and so the cycle continues. The only people benefitting are agents and players. 

    The ludicrous reaction to the once mighty Man Utd almost succumbing to a good Champs team in a semi-final is witness to their entitlement. Embarrassed to win a semi-final? How patronising they are - all of them; Sky, the BBC, the FA and everyone associated with the incompetent officials.

    I said 6 years ago (to much ridicule, as I recall)  that Championship clubs should have the option of selling their PL place on promotion to a billionaire club and I stand by that. The PL only want billionaire clubs and eventually that is what they will have. In the meantime, let's take their money, build facilities and communities and stay in the top 6 of the Championship where the football is at least interesting and entertaining (sometimes).

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  6. 3 hours ago, Danke bitte said:

    Re: Weaver. Is this a good or bad thing? The pathway to the first team has been fairly decent so on that basis I would be worried. Equally, we haven’t had a real “style” since promotion in 20/21 as we abandoned what worked so well for the ill-fated 4-3-3. It’s a weird position we find ourselves in, since Knapper’s barely had any time to stamp his name on proceedings. We don’t even know if there’s any desire to bring in a new style of play across the board. 

    I don't think there has been a proper "pathway" for a while - we've only played youngsters when we absolutely had to. Even those we thought were good like Fisher get dropped after a couple of nightmare games and take months to reappear. 

    For me, our under 21s should have capable deputies so that our playing style is consistent. Other teams are playing 18, 19, 20 year olds in one off games or small series of games because of injury or unavailability; we don't seem to do that. We just give them 10 minute cameos off the bench and wonder why they don't impress.

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  7. Back on topic......SVH was not, I don't think, brought in as a direct replacement in playing style for Idah or Sargent. I don't think any coach could look at him and think he could do that job. He is a very different type of forward and was I suspect an option for Wagner to play a different way - but, as we now know, his favoured way of playing started to finally click into place and deliver results as well as some performances. SVH simply doesn't fit that way - you can't just write him off as a footballer because his attributes don't fit slickly into a system; I would have hoped we would have learned from RVW and Becchio - both good footballers who we couldn't use properly at the time.

    Wagner is nothing if not determined. His one way of playing can quite easily be dealt with by mobile, quick players and a reasonably astute coach. SVH would need to be able to hold the ball up better and play as a target man to be of any real use; for the same reason, Aboh doesn't get on either.

    I read a very interesting article about why Steve Weaver is leaving, which basically said it's because our Academy teams don't play the same way as the first team anymore. Farke tried to change that, but it's slipped again since he left. What is the point of having prolific poaching strikers and ball playing centre backs at Academy level if they can't step up when they're needed?

     

     

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  8. 19 hours ago, Hairy Canary said:

    Talk about faint praise!
     

    Great win, tactics spot on. Rowe back and Sargent played nearly 90 mins and you have to come out will this negativity.
     

    What is it? You need to be proven right that when Sargent went off against Wednesday Wagner lied to cover up his bad call rather than Sargent feeling his ankle? Sad.

    Bit weird though that at the press conference Sargent was unlikely to play at all, then ends up almost doing his first 90 minutes for months. Mind games, justification for a bad call or sheer incompetence? I guess we'll never know.

    We got the win but not sure how you can say tactics were spot on when we could easily have been three down at half-time. The subs worked out for us, but that's not been a frequent occurrence this season.


  9. As so many times before, last night's capitulation was solely down to limited tactical awareness from our coaching team. Can't recall how many times it's happened, at least a dozen over the season, but at 2-0 up when we again went backwards 20 yards with no "out"" forward ball after 60 minutes, the loss of 2 points was pretty inevitable - in the end, we were lucky we didn't lose all 3.

    I don't mind losing when it is deserved, but time after time after time we do the hard part, get into winning positions and then simply invite the opposition to take over the initiative. It's like we hand out a surrender notice and we contrive to draw or lose games we have already won. This manager is tactically out of his depth and proves it game after game. I genuinely wouldn't have him coaching the under 8s. He just doesn't learn. There is one way of playing and if that doesn't work we collapse - it doesn't matter whether we are winning or losing, his approach is the same. The only times it works is if one or more of our players does something individually outstanding. As a team ,we are hopeless tactically. 5 away wins all season is poor - especially when it should have been 9 or 10 with some pretty basic awareness.

    People on here saying he's done well to turn it around need to at least acknowledge that he took the team with 3rd highest wageroll in this league to 17th position and a potential relegation fight - the bar for improvement is very low, on that basis. The home form has improved, but it was hard for it to get worse than Blackburn; the away form is still atrocious.

    I'm sure he's a lovely man and is doing his best etc. but it simply isn't good enough and if Knapper has anything at all about him Wagner has to go at the end of this season, whatever happens. God help us if we were to get promoted and keep him in charge.

     

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  10. 9 hours ago, Robert N. LiM said:

    Wednesday on Tuesday is a tougher game than it might otherwise have been. Going to take a massive effort to get the boys up for that after the derby, especially as Wagner (absolutely rightly) didn't really make any subs yesterday. Wouldn't be too unhappy with a point from that game.

    Not over yet by a long chalk, but the run-in does look pretty favourable to us. OTBC

    Apart from Gibbs for Barnes which, tactically, was the best substitution he's made in a year......


  11. 1 hour ago, hogesar said:

    really promise you, yet again, it's OK to be wrong about Wagner.

    And I'll point out to you, yet again, that I haven't been wrong. When he's got it right I've acknowledged that; when he's got it wrong (most of his tenure to date) I've acknowledged that too. For every Ipswich at home we've had a Leicester away.

    And I still don't think he's yet proved he's the right man to deliver the kind of football we want to see as supporters of NCFC. Yesterday was a great day and he deserves all the plaudits he's getting. But it wasn't champagne football, was it? We competed with an Ipswich side who were nowhere near their best - unlike under Lambert and Farke when we destroyed them with front foot football.

    But if you're happy with that........

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  12. Let's not go overboard. Yesterday Wagner did everything right for the first time since he has been here - which included doing what he should have done last week against Leicester - putting on Gibbs to replace Barnes and getting Sara and our back four further up the pitch to stop Ipswich having so much possession and time on the ball. He responded to that brief period of Ipswich dominance and it worked - why he didn't do that against Leicester is still beyond me, but yesterday was Wagner's' day and he was, finally, brilliant. He has previously thrown away points in almost every other game when he didn't respond to that same situation when we hand the initiative to the opposition.

    Now he needs to keep going and be brave. I really hope he can be the manager we want and need.

    Ipswich were shockingly bad - but that was partly because we didn't let them play. I don't think they completed a pass over 10 yards until the 70th minute, which was also their first shot on target. We are definitely in their heads.

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  13. 24 minutes ago, RobJames said:

    irstly there is not too much Wagner can do once the players are in the pitch.

    You see, as long as we have supporters who believe this we can't really have any kind of an educated debate. 

    Can I point out -again- what has been pointed out many, many times before. Wagner sets his teams up to defend narrowly, forcing the opposition to go wide. Given we have useless centrebacks and fullbacks which he pushes high at the same time, and who can't tackle and have no pace, why he does this is a reasonable question to ask. What it does is negate the quality we have in midfield and up front and show the opposition how to beat us by forcing them to play against our weaker players - how is that in any way sensible????? We have quality players - Sara, Saintz, Sargent and Maclean would all get in Leicester's team - but his tactics don't allow the team to play to their strengths. They barely played a forward pass between them today.

    Having seen it is not working, he could have changed it at half time. Any tactically aware coach would have done. He chose not to and we duly lost without raising any kind of objection. Away you go, Leicester, help yourself to the points (for Leicester, insert Middlesbro, Swansea, and several other teams this season and last).

    This is not management or coaching at the highest level - it's simply refusing to adapt your system to the players we have available and to the opposition we were playing. The only reason we are in the position we are in and pushing for 6th is because some of our quality players have produced in some games, despite the tactics. Oh, and because Gunn has made some extremely crucial saves - he's another who would get in Leicester's team.

    Clearly we are not getting rid of him this season but trust me, he has to go; the bloke is clueless. 

    A last thought - if Maresca was in charge of our squad, it would be us winning the league.

     

     

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  14. 2 hours ago, Segura said:

    I think the first option would have left us pretty exposed - their wingers were excellent and always a threat in behind. In fairness, the idea of switching Kenny to centre back did flash through my mind at one point, but I think he would get targeted against better teams.

    I just think Leicester were better than us all over the park and there's not much Wagner could have done to change things.

    Tactically, we set up to be compact and narrow. We forced Leicester to go wide, presumably because we knew we could defend then crosses and our fullbacks could keep them quiet. So, that worked well........

    They were only better than us because we let them be - which is Wagnerball. That is his tactic. It was Middlesbrough all over again but with 11 men. Equally compliant and equally complacent. No b***s, no guts, no one caring enough to get in their faces at any point.

    I don't want to watch this garbage.

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  15. 6 minutes ago, Jim Smith said:

    What should he have done then? I can see a lot of howling and growling on here without anyone offering a solution

    Pushed our midfield and back four 10-15 yards upfield before their "set". Brought on Gibbs for Duffy, put Maclean at CB and told Sainz to cover his winger and give MacCallum more support. Push Sara up and brought on Fassnacht for Barnes.

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  16. Excellent first 20 minutes. Just needed to get on their backs in midfield but we stopped playing. Sara, Maclean and Nunez all very poor. Should have sorted it out at half time but didn't. Back to earlier season tactical ineptitude from the coaching team I'm afraid.

    A chance missed. Our players are as good as theirs but ours were terrified and worryingly nowhere near as fit.

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