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  1. 1. The point about Cambridge was not a football one - it was a response to the non-football comment by the poster who claimed that Norwich was the "cultural and intellectual mecca" of East Anglia, which it isn''t, for the reasons already outlined. 2. "However, I stand by my observations about Ipswich and Suffolk folk''s dominant attitude to all things Norwich" Not sure that you can make that sort of judgment on 600,000 people''s views!  Possibly, your view - which is entirely by definition subjective - is influenced by the fact that I presume you are in a minority as being a Norwich fan in Ipswich/Suffolk? One of my friends is an Ipswich fan in Norwich - he has exactly the same view as you that Norwich fans are aggressive towards him and Ipswich! It seems to me that, ultimately, the "isn''t Norwich a lovely place and isn''t Ipswich awful" is used by Norwich City supporters in an attempt to argue that Norwich City are a better club because they come from a "nicer" place. However, as we have agreed, there is absolutely no competition in respect of which club has been comparitively massively successful, so this argument has no real mileage in it. Norwich are welcome to their lovely city (which is second to Cambridge as a mecca) and average football side, Ipswich fans can compensate the fact that their town isn''t quite as nice as Norwich but that they support a team which has a pedigree and history of (relative to Norwich and all other clubs in the region) massive success! Since I live in a lovely part of town and am fortunate enough to work for a large firm whose head office is in Ipswich, this isn''t a problem for people like me and, ultimately, football comes down to football, not the subjective attractiveness of a place! 3. This was a joke - of course you''re right! 4. It''s trite because the "Ipswich are scum, Norwich are scum" arguments - or their derivatives - are hardly new! And I''ve heard the "we''ve got a cathederal etc etc" line a lot in the past. It''s irrelevant to football! As I say, best wishes!      
  2. Some thoughts 1. Cambridge is the cultural and intellectual centre of East Anglia - with a world-famous and respected university that is an hour from London. Am not sure that UEA sits in the same league as Cambridge University. As a result of its university, Cambridge attracts the best and brightest young people and teachers etc. and is a cultural and intellectual mecca. 2. You make all these accusations about people from Ipswich being critical and aggressive about Norwich/its people - yet this board is full of views which do exactly the same thing about people from Ipswich! Is not the reality that - in terms of the people - there is no difference between them? Ipswich has some good schools, good firms, nice areas of town with history etc. and it also has some run down areas. I am sure Norwich is the same, although I do agree that Norwich is a very attractive place. I am also sure that most Ipswich and Norwich football fans are actually quite similar - they read the same papers, drink the same lagers/beers etc., have the same views on politics, regional outlook etc! 3. In terms of football, Ipswich Town have undisputedly been the more successful club, in particular, winning the league, FA Cup and UEFA Cup and giving England arguably its two greatest managers - a fantastic achievement for a small/medium club from a small/medium town in the country! If you go to prideofanglia.com, you can actually read all the statistics (if you can be bothered) and it''s staggering how one-sided they are! If, as you seem to suggest, Ipswich is such an awful place with awful people, its football team seems to have done remarkably well over the years! 4. Is not this whole argument a little trite?   Best wishes  
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