The Positive Brexit Thread

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1 hour ago, SwindonCanary said:

Can you come up with an argument as to why we should re-join the EU ? 

First, I note you aren't prepared to defend those assertions you cut and paste. Can't say I blame you because they are so obviously crass (for example the assertion that, "The EU has been acting in breach of a material term of the WA by denying the UK an FTA" is so mind-numbingly stupid surely even you can see it. Do tell me what part of the WA obliges the EU to give the UK an FTA. And if it did there would be no need for these sodding talks to happen in the first place. You have to be amazingly thick not to see how ludicrous this claim is. It amounts to saying that the EU have to give us an FTA on our terms without question. Jesus!).

Second, like every anti-Brexiteer that I've seen on this site so far, I've accepted that Brexit has happened and that we can't simply re-join the EU. You numbskulls have ruined that possibility. Thus we remoaners (as you like to call us) consider it our patriotic duty to argue for the best deal possible to avoid the the immense economic and political damage that a hard-line no deal Brexit would visit upon our nation. But if you want a reason for why we should have remained, one is the 5% drop in GDP that is the kindest forecast for what Brexit will cost the UK (find me a respected economist who says otherwise). Even the chief Brexit tw*t Jacob Rees-Bogg  admitted it would take over a decade to recover the level of economy close to what it would have been had we not left. But then dear old Jacob made sure he moved his head offices to Dublin before Brexit happened (ditto Dyson to Singapore et al). His millions are nicely secure within the single market, how about yours? 

I now look forward to your strong defence of the cut and paste assertions you posted.

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21 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

Legal arguments showing how the EU has broken its own treaty with the UK

• Essential condition of participating in Withdrawal Agreement (WA) : to secure a free trade agreement (FTA)
• The EU has been acting in breach of a material term of the WA by denying the UK an FTA
• The EU has attempted to impose wholly unreasonable restrictions on the UK which no other country would accept
• The treaty was therefore entered into by the UK on a false premise from the EU
• The EU has breached its legal obligation to act in good faith
• The WA breaks the terms of the Good Friday Agreement
• The WA is in breach of the ECHR principle of the right to vote
• The WA is in breach of the UN Charter's principle of “self-determination”, its most important tenet
• The UK Government must now pass an Act of Parliament superseding and revoking the WA

Christ almighty! you just don't grasp what the idea of providing an argument means do you. This is a list of a ASSERTIONS not arguments. You need to provide evidence and argument to make good those assertions. When you do that I (and many others no doubt) will happily demonstrate the absurdity of the assertions put forward by these numbskulls 

[Winning a Penalty]

Yesterday's penalty provided a good example of a player "winning" a penalty though mischievous play. Penalties should be awarded when a player is fouled as he makes a genuine attempt to play the ball, but is this what happened yesterday? It looked to me that the Preston player lured Skipp into running into the back of him by making a move forward then stopping dead without making any attempt to play the ball. Similar examples abound in the game. For example, James Vardy was a past-master (perhaps still is) at winning penalties by not playing the ball. His trick was to veer away from the trajectory of the ball he was supposedly chasing and into the path of the defender following that trajectory and who now couldn't avoid clattering into him. I remember him doing precisely that at CR (was it Bassong?). Is winning a penalty like this clever gamesmanship, or does it undermine the integrity of the game? To me it is the latter, there is something very distasteful and anti-sporting in attempting to win a penalty, and it should be outlawed rather than rewarded.

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12 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

it's the EU which is arguably breaching it's legal obligations under the withdrawal agreement !

So the the UK would definitely breach international law but "arguably" the EU already are. Well instead of cutting and pasting another piece of Brexiteer guff why not present that argument here and defend it? The chances of you doing that are of course nil. More rant and no reason.  Laughably incompetent guff from those for whom the reality of the disastrous nature of the UK's position is just too horrific to admit. 

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6 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

https://www.politeia.co.uk/its-the-eu-not-the-uk-which-is-arguably-breaching-its-legal-obligations-under-the-withdrawal-agreement-by-professor-david-collins/?fbclid=IwAR1bhRPVLdSXHptcIA8azL5GiW_oxuUsD6jDeKgzGbMAmmhB4-SCSvV6hVQ

ffs even the UK government admits it would be breaking international law

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1 hour ago, SwindonCanary said:

"It hasn't been going well though has it" a  long way to go yet 

Actually no! the prime minister said if a deal isn't done by October then we leave the single market without a free trade arrangement. We then go to WTO rules and all the tariffs that lands on us. So good luck to the beef farmer trying to sell his product abroad with a WTO 40% tariff imposed. 

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53 minutes ago, Jools said:

Cultural Media Studies?

Oh dear! well at least you have provided us with a proof at last. Proof that you really are as thick as pig sh*t. There is no such subject as "Cultural Media Studies". Christ you can't even get your abuse right. 

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3 minutes ago, It's Character Forming said:

Can I just say it's almost relaxing to dip into this thread and you can feel like it's 2019.  Or 2018...

You can say it, but I don't know why. I think you will find that the present negotiations going on right NOW between the EU and UK are absolutely crucial for the future of this country. Getting these wrong will be a disaster for the UK economy and the lives of millions of our population. All the comments that I've seen here from those critical of the hard-line Brexiteers are about these present negotiations. You may wish to return to 2018, perhaps because the harsh reality of where Brexit was likely to lead could be ignored. The current negotiations demonstrate just what a sh*tstorm Brexit has dropped us into, so bad indeed that a Tory government is using a threat to break international law as a negotiating tool. Sorry, but this isn't a moment for flippancy

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33 minutes ago, PurpleCanary said:

Horsefly, of course we both know Jools won't rise to your challenge because he cannot. But I have singled out one example of how this stuff he posts is misleading garbage. Just look at this question:

So why didn’t Irish and UK Customs get together to agree to extend existing border arrangements?

There are then some quotes from officials to back up the impression that the EU is stopping this from happening. But you only have to have even only half a brain and think about that for a second to realise that the question is based on a nonsense proposition - namely that  customs officials can negotiate and decide ('...to agree to extend existing border arrangements...') a significant part of an international treaty.

Which of course would be entirely undemocratic. Governments and parliaments negotiate and agree on international treaties, and particularly on such a complex and politically charged issue as this border, where the question of whether it is possible to keep the same arrangements is highly moot.

Jools would have a fit if all these Remoaner (or whatever equally infantile insult is favourite now) civil servants these blogs are always complaining about had actually the power to negotiate Brexit.

Absolutely spot on Purple, and precisely a point I was going to make myself. Hilariously the writer of this guff doesn't even see that the reason why it was possible for this light touch on the border between Ireland and Northern Ireland is because BOTH were members of the single market. Thus it couldn't possibly be the case that this would continue if a free trade deal couldn't be agreed.  The whole of this terrible piece of cut and paste is riddled with mind-numbing non-sequiturs like this. 

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12 hours ago, Jools said:

It's my thread and I'll cut & paste facts that you so despise all I like --- You can always take your vast intellect over to the Lefty echo chamber that is the 'Brexit Reprise' thread -- I swear not to bother you there.

So here we have it plain and clear at last. You really don't have the capacity for reasoned argument and hence you have chickened out of my challenge. A typical feeble-minded Brexiteer, all rant and no reason. BTW,  I don't have a PhD in common sense like you, I actually have a real PhD. So not a "pseudo" intellectual either. 

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11 hours ago, Jools said:

Analyse the above, Horsey-boy 🙃

I will happily demolish the tosh that you have yet again downloaded from your favourite site "Brexit facts4tw*ts". But I will only bother if you now make the promise to respond with argument YOURSELF to each of the points I take the trouble to make. So far you have failed to provide any argument whatsoever in your posts, and as others (who have been on this site a lot longer than myself) have pointed out it is futile attempting to engage in reasoned arguments with someone who is either incapable of of achieving the intellectual standards required or is merely a feckless bigot. 

So, are you willingly to put your money where your mouth is? Will you take up the challenge to respond YOURSELF to each of the points I make? (that means no cut and paste). Then we can truly let people decide who is in possession of the facts.

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Just now, NFN FC said:

There's literally no point in giving Jools any form of debate. All he does is cut and paste or call you a loser because you have a different viewpoint. (Of course you were personally responsible for you losing the referendum as you voted remain. How dare you! Lefty Remainiac blah blah blah). This is his playground tactics learnt from his idols. 

Spot on NFN! Fools clearly lacks any ability to present an argument so it is pointless to expect his small mind to be able to cope with anything other than the cut and paste function.  

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5 minutes ago, Jools said:

How foolish I look!

You obviously need a reminder:

Herman and all you other loser, Lefty Remainiacs --- You lost the referendum -- You lost the 2017 election -- You lost the EU parliament elections and you lost the 2019 election --- You lost the red passports, you lost your freedom of movement, you have lost our fish, you lost the argument, you lost the voters but most recently you have lost your minds perusing this for so long...

 

No bigger fool than a Lefty, Remainiac, Hoss 😎

So are you claiming that represents an argument? Christ you are in serious need of help. Get yourself an education so you can distinguish between assertion and argument

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4 minutes ago, Jools said:

 

 

And now let's have the truth via the good people at the Facts4EU:

 

 

How the EU deliberately weaponised peace in Northern Ireland

Proof : EU has prevented a Northern Ireland border solution for four years

© Brexit Facts4EU.Org 2020

For the EU this has always been political – it’s about punishing the UK
For the Irish Government this has always been about pursuing a united Ireland

Part Two of a Facts4EU.Org special on Northern Ireland and the Good Friday Agreement

1. First we cover the unfolding events overnight regarding the Government’s proposed new actions
2. Secondly we show how the EU deliberately weaponised peace in Northern Ireland over four years
3. Finally we briefly cover the EU's latest hostile moves against the UK

1. The beginnings of a belated Brexit Fightback

Boris Johnson, writing in today’s Daily Telegraph, has finally come out fighting and has explained the Government’s stand on the Withdrawal Agreement, the Northern Ireland Protocol, and the threatening behaviour of the EU, as we and a great many readers urged on Thursday and yesterday.

This follows the (in our view deliberately) appalling performance by the Remain-voting Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, the Rt Hon Brandon Lewis MP, in the House of Commons on Tuesday when he said that the action of the Government “does break international law in a very specific and limited way.”

The Prime Minister’s article this morning – albeit produced many days later than it should have been – at least redresses the balance somewhat. We comment further on the political aspects in our ‘Observations’ below this article.

The pro-Remain civil service are at it again

It is now clear that senior civil servants have been complicit in a rear-guard Remainer action. Here is an anonymous non-Remainer civil servant writing in Briefings for Britain yesterday:-

“Let’s not mince our words – the Northern Ireland Protocol is all about politics. It was cooked up by the EU in cahoots with a fervent Remainer May government and civil service to negate the result of the Brexit referendum. It had absolutely nothing to do with protecting the Good Friday Agreement nor with ensuring there was no hard border in Ireland.”

“Ever since [the WA] was ratified, the EU, Remainer officials and judicial activists have been trying to warp its interpretation to include all the unacceptable elements of the old backstop. The role of the civil service in this is deeply troubling (one cannot go into detail here), but Whitehall officials have been fighting a rear-guard action with ministers ever since January in a bid to keep the UK legally subordinate to the EU through the new Northern Ireland Protocol – regardless of the consequences for the Union or the economy and people of Northern Ireland.”

Briefings for Britain, 11 Sept 2020

Fortunately not all civil servants are anti-democratic Remainers

The highly-respected former British ambassador to the United States and to Germany, Sir Christopher Meyer, posted the following Tweet yesterday:

 

2. Some of the ways in which the EU deliberately weaponised peace in Northern Ireland

Devastating testimonies condemn Irish Government and EU, over NI and Brexit

For four years the EU and the Irish Government have prevented UK and Irish Customs from agreeing a straightforward solution for the Irish border question.

It was clear from the outset that - as a result of the EU Referendum - UK and Irish customs authorities would have to discuss and agree new arrangements for the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic of Ireland.

Existing border arrangements on the Irish border have always been ‘different’

Given the relatively open border since the 1990s, special arrangements have already existed for many years. There has always been a border in Customs and Revenue terms because of the two countries’ different tax regimes, different excise duties, different VAT rates, and even different currencies.

Here is Mr Niall Cody, Chairman of the Board of the Irish Revenue Commissioners, giving testimony to a Committee of the Irish Parliament in 2017. He was asked about existing arrangements for controlling the border and gave the details for the previous year.

“The vast majority of these checks were carried out in approved warehouses and other premises with a very small number at a port or airport. The low level of import checks is the result of pre-authorisation of traders, advance lodgement of declarations and an extensive system of post-clearance checks, including customs audit, which are carried out at traders' premises.”

“Authorised economic operators, AEOs, have a special status in the system and under agreed protocols are allowed to operate greatly simplified customs procedures. There are currently 133 AEOs, which account for 82% of all imports and 89% of exports. It will be very important that the bulk of trade continues to be through AEOs after Brexit.”

- Niall Cody, Chairman of the Board of the Irish Revenue Commissioners, testimony in 2017

So why didn’t Irish and UK Customs get together to agree to extend existing border arrangements?

It is clear from the testimonies of the most senior Customs officials on both sides of the border – the department heads with the expertise – that they were prevented from talking to each other by the EU and by the Irish government.

“We are not in any form of negotiation or even having any discussion with the UK at this point.”

- Liam Irwin, then Irish Revenue Commissioner

Q: “Could Mr. Cody clarify whether there is a legal impediment to negotiations between us and-----“

Niall Cody (Chairman of Irish Customs): “Yes.”

Q: “-----so we can have discussions but not negotiations?”

Niall Cody : “The European Union will be negotiating with the United Kingdom in regard to Brexit.”

 

- Senior Irish Revenue officials, testimony to the Dáil committee in 2017

And here is what the UK Customs boss said in evidence to a Parliamentary Committee

“There are no formal conversations with either the French or the Irish. We cannot talk to Customs or taxation management organisations in either of those countries.”

"We do not believe we require any infrastructure between Northern Ireland and Ireland under any circumstances."

- Sir Jon Thompson, former Chief Executive of HM Revenue and Customs, giving evidence to the Exiting the European Union Committee, 29 Nov 2017

Sir Jon went on to say that discussions with the Irish Revenue had started, but were halted – and not by the British.

There is no real quantifiable risk to the EU’s Single Market

Northern Ireland’s goods sales across the border are so small they will amount to a rounding error in the EU’s accounts, post-Brexit.

After Brexit, NI’s cross-border sales will account for just 0.23% of total imports into the EU. [Sources : Eurostat | HMRC | NISRA ]

0.23% is NOT any kind of threat to the integrity of the EU’s Single Market.

Click to enlarge chart - © Brexit Facts4EU.Org

Finally, here are two EU Parliament officials

Two years ago two officials who work for Guy Verhofstadt, then the EU Parliament's Chief Brexit Coordinator, were caught on camera when Mrs May caved in:-

Official One: "We got rid of them! We kicked them out! It took us two years but we managed.”

Official Two: "It's done! On our terms and conditions. We finally turned them into a colony and that was our plan from the first moment.”

 

- Officials working for Guy Verhofstadt, EU Parliament Brexit Coordinator, caught on camera by BBC4 documentary

3. The EU’s latest hostile moves

In a statement issued yesterday, the EU Parliament says it will block any trade agreement with the UK

They have issued this threat before the supposedly sovereign UK Parliament has even had a chance to debate the draft Internal Market Bill, in effect dictating to Parliament what decision it must make on behalf of the British people. Here is an excerpt:

"Should the UK authorities breach – or threaten to breach – the Withdrawal Agreement, through the United Kingdom Internal Market Bill in its current form or in any other way, the European Parliament will, under no circumstances, ratify any agreement between the EU and the UK."

And here is Boris Johnson's response

Writing in the Daily Telegraph today, the Prime Minister was unequivocal about the EU’s latest hostile actions.

Boris Johnson, 12 Sept 2020

“We are now hearing that, unless we agree to the EU's terms, the EU will use an extreme interpretation of the Northern Ireland protocol to impose a full-scale trade border down the Irish Sea.

“We are being told that the EU will not only impose tariffs on goods moving from Great Britain to Northern Ireland, but that they might actually stop the transport of food products from GB to NI.

“I have to say that we never seriously believed that the EU would be willing to use a treaty, negotiated in good faith, to blockade one part of the UK, to cut it off, or that they would actually threaten to destroy the economic and territorial integrity of the UK. This was for the very good reason that any such barrier, any such tariffs or division, would be completely contrary to the letter and the spirit of the Good Friday Agreement.”

Observations

If the EU and the Irish Government had been remotely interested in preserving the Good Friday Agreement and peace in Northern Ireland, what would have been more logical than for the civil servants responsible for each side of the border to discuss new arrangements?

Instead, the Irish side has been banned from doing so. This was a deliberate act.

A quick solution to alternative arrangements for the NI border, sorted out by those who know the most about it - the Customs teams on each side - was not in the EU’s interests. The EU wished to use the border as one of their three pre-emptive issues to prevent trade being talked about and to keep at least part of the UK in the Single Market and Customs Union. In this, they have succeeded to this day.

And what of the Irish politicians involved in this?

The EU had a willing partner in this subterfuge in the form of the fiercely nationalist Irish government of Messrs Varadkar and Coveney.

Despite a 'no deal' Brexit being catastrophic for the Irish economy, it is our opinion that they put their own political considerations above the interests of their own people, and effectively weaponised this issue. In so doing, they have been played by Brussels. It remains to be seen if the Irish people will ever forgive them.

What next?

It is not before time that the UK Government is finally fighting back against the tirade of propaganda from the EU which has been played worldwide in the complicit, globalist media in most countries, as well as on our TV screens in the UK. As regular readers know, we have been urging a communications effort from the Government. Finally it seems that these efforts have borne fruit, to some extent.

Far more needs to be done, on a daily basis. The EU's propaganda machine is relentless.

If you can, we need your help right now. Please post links to our articles to your social media contacts, friends and family, or just post a link to our news headlines page from which these links are accessible.

 

[ Sources: NISRA | HMRC | The Dáil (Irish Parliament) | Eurostat | UK Parliament (Hansard) | BBC4 documentary | The Daily Telegraph ] Politicians and journalists can contact us for details, as ever.

Brexit Facts4EU.Org, Sat 12 Sept 2020

Oh ffs, yet another cut and paste pile of crud from Fools. You really couldn't make it up

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14 minutes ago, Jools said:

EU flag waving assertions 🙃

Oh my God! yet another post lacking any argument or analysis, and no doubt you can't even see how foolish you look.  I have provided arguments about the need for a customs border if there is no deal, about the essential need to preserve the Good Friday agreement meaning that the customs border HAS to be between GB and NI, about why breaking an international treaty imperils future attempts to achieve trade deals. Why don't you actually attempt to answer these arguments or are you really as chronically thick as I suspect you to be?

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1 hour ago, Jools said:

It looks as though Purplebellender, Horsesh...fly & other Remainiacs need to go and read John Redwoods Diary site in order to garner clarification on subjects they don't fully understand...

Here, I'll even provide a link for the idle benefit claimants and those still on furlough in non-jobs

👉https://johnredwoodsdiary.com/

Funny how you always provide a link to some has-been or crank but never present an argument yourself. No analysis, no rational criticism, just cut and paste crass flag waving assertions. You haven't addressed on single argument presented here.  Indeed, a typical Brexiteer, uneducated, sour and living in a fantasy world.  The sad thing is you can't see how Farage and co manipulate your ignorance and bile to serve their pathetic egos. They couldn't give a toss about you or the fate of the UK 

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8 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

 

Hahaha!! A tremendous spoof by a pasty faced buffoon, uhm! at least I hope it's a spoof. Don't think this guy is going to trouble the scorers much if he takes an IQ test. Not a single word of truth to be found here. Perhaps mum hasn't brought his crisps and tea up to his bedroom on time

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43 minutes ago, Jools said:

More EU threats --- Brussels has warned farmers, businesses and animal welfare campaigners that it may be forced to ban all British exports of live animals and animal products such as cheese, beef, eggs, chicken and lamb from January 1.

Well done, Barnier, the world is watching and listening  😎

If I was being charitable I would treat your post as a sublime piece of irony, but of course it isn't. Let's put it in terms you might actually understand. Imagine the UK was considering entering a trade deal with a country called X. Now imagine that X says it wants to sell us beef but says that the beef they intend to sell us is reared in cages, is pumped full of hormones and antibiotics, and is tended by workers who have no rights to minimum pay or to any health and safety standards, indeed several of their workers die each year. Country X says we must accept their beef raised this way because it enables them to undercut the prices charged by UK farmers. Would you accept their beef? obviously not. The point of this example is a very simple one, but fundamentally crucial. By leaving the single market we have made achieving a free trade deal completely dependent  on convincing the EU that our standards of production and services at the very least match those expected of all other members of the EU single market. That's called a level playing field. To expect the EU to accept anything less would be absurd and a sign of incurable stupidity. That of course raises the possibility that they could indeed ban products that don't meet these standards if a deal is not reached. Of course at the moment we do meet these standards, precisely because we were members of the single market and at the moment are in the transition period. Achieving a free trade deal thus rests fundamentally on convincing the EU that we will continue to meet these standards when the transition period ceases. Such a deal would require cast iron guarantees that the playing field remains level. Thus it is that the parties concerned normally enshrine such agreements in a treaty protected by international law. So what a fantastic negotiating manoeuvre by the government to introduce a bill that would involve the UK in threatening to break international law. Add to that the egregious record of lying that Boris Johnson has so copiously collected throughout his career and it should be no surprise to anyone that the EU are determined to protect the integrity of the single market. And yes that has to include the threat of banning UK goods if that is what is required, just as we would ban beef from country X

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Ahh! dear old Fools, I see you're not capable of a rational written response. Fair enough I can see you find words hard to cope with

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33 minutes ago, Jools said:

A country not worth fighting for, Herminge? You're having a laugh aren't ya? Whilst one supports/defends political movements such as Antifa/BLM, Extinction Rebellion and the EU machine that the majority are realising IS a hostile foreign power -(They're threatening to annex part of the UK,ffs)- how on Earth can you say you care about this country?

You're also pro mass uncontrolled immigration whilst being anti-capitalist -- Pray tell us how the country pays to accommodate the former via the repeatedly failed political ideology that is Socialism? Pray tell us how uncontrolled mass immigration, hence huge increases in infrastructure over our green and pleasant land adheres to your green credentials? etc...etc...

The Lefty ideologies you believe in are far from progressive, they're positively repressive and would send this country back to the dark ages.

A country not worth fighting for? Yes, it is and that's what the winning Right majority have been doing and will continue to do 😎

Fools by name fool by nature. The threat to the UK comes precisely from the consequences of Brexit. Scotland will now almost certainly vote for independence and Johnson's (sorry! Dominic's) outrageous breach of international law will give massive moral and political support to the call for that vote to happen soon. And I suspect that Northern Ireland will soon begin to see that their future will look very much brighter in a united Ireland than as a part of a law breaking impoverished UK. Recent polls and votes in NI show that they are increasingly loosing themselves from the rabid ideology of the right and seeking a progressive future. So, Fools by all means wrap yourself in the Union flag and sing Land of Hope and Glory to your hearts content, but as that flag begins to lose some of its crosses just remember that it is your lot "wot did it"

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2 hours ago, PurpleCanary said:

Removing all the flummery from yet another mad pro-Brexit screed that Jools doesn't understand and so can't defend (a supermarket trolley could probably do better), this above is the key 'legal' argument; and of course it is nonsense. The claim that the EU hasn't properly negiotiated can be correctly translated as a whiny complaint that the EU hasn't rolled over and allowed a weak or even non-existent border between the single market and a non-single market country.

In broader terms it is yet another attempt by Brexiters to blame the EU for not being willing to cave in to make true all those cake and eat it lies that persuaded people to commit this massive piece of economic self-harm.

 

Absolutely! The giveaway is the  phrase " [the EU]  is structurally unable to engage in meaningful negotiations ". Utterly meaningless, hence not even the idiots populating our Government have tried to claim this. But of course the idiots populating the Brexit party are even more idiotic than them, so no surprise that their representative on this site (fools) should repeat it like some moronic parrot that has bashed it's head against the mirror a little too hard

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8 hours ago, Jools said:

Herman and all you other loser, Lefty Remainiacs --- You lost the referendum -- You lost the 2017 election -- You lost the EU parliament elections and you lost the 2019 election --- You lost the red passports, you lost your freedom of movement, you have lost our fish, you lost the argument, you lost the voters but most recently you have lost your minds perusing this for so long...

Please, for the love of whatever you believe in --- STFU 👍

Your pathetic posts, lacking in any attempt to provide actual argument deserve nothing but derision

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Jools said:

In a Tweet worded to rile both Tory Rebels and Number 10, Nigel Farage has announced that the Brexit Party is revving back into gear and will campaign against MPs who vote against the Internal Market Bill. Or in his words “vote for Brexit in Name Only”…

The withdrawal agreement as it stands is not the Brexit we fought for. Boris misled us but is now trying to make amends. MPs who vote for Brexit in name only will see campaigns launched against them in their seats.

It’s worth remembering that without Nigel winning the European Elections, it’s unlikely that Boris would have ever become Prime Minister. He’s changed the course of UK politics twice. Now he’s back… 😎👍

UPDATE: Nigel Farage tells Guido: “The Brexit Party still has a large and engaged database. We could fire up ground campaigns against these MPs very quickly” 👍

 

Mercutio's response to Tybalt and Romeo is most appropriate here. If you don't know what it is I suggest expanding your reading beyond the Sun and Daily Mail

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6 minutes ago, sonyc said:

This is a very clear, well articulated post, many thanks. It is such a vitally important issue. MPs that vote for the breaking of the WA will potentially have blood on their hands. The healing process that took huge political capital can unravel.

It appears this government actually revels in a form of macho posturing. It is a government that lacks such depth. Big decisions required to actually "get Brexit done" but very small minds. They just cannot grasp the enormity of their actions. We might well end up being Little England. How pathetic will that be?

thanks mate!

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3 minutes ago, SwindonCanary said:

Barnier threatened them with it it's not just part of the agreement. 

You really need to learn to read a bit more widely, and try something with a bit more sophistication. The EU has not threatened to blockade anyone (please do cite the relevant document if I'm wrong here). They have simply pointed out that to preserve the Good Friday Agreement and prevent a hard border between Ireland and Northern Island checks will have to be made on goods before they reach NI, unless a trade agreement is reached between the EU and UK. That much is obvious to anyone with even the most rudimentary understanding of trading between different market areas. It is the UK that is threatening to renege on the international treaty they themselves signed in January (claiming at the time that it was a  a wonderful deal).