danielsroundabout
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I think it''s ok but involves an admin. fee for producing a new swipe card in the new name. -
[quote user="chuggs"]If you are serious send me an email, would have to be signed over properly by letter to ticket office, I have couple people I know looking for season tickets, but as I say would want it all done properly[/quote]Check first that they didn''t watch Sky today. Wouldn''t want to see you stuck with them. -
Reading all the posts on this thread, Surman must have improved beyond all recognition in his time away. I remember him as a competent midfielder who used the ball well with his cultured left foot. This only applied if he was able to receive and release the ball in open space. Put him up for a 50/50 ball and it instantly becomes an 90/10 ball in favour of the other guy.It certainly concerns me that we are coming down from the prem. with a squad that is looking to need big input from players who we have discarded previously. -
Didn''t we have an Archant guy appointed to the board a year or two back? Is he still in place? I thought at the time that it would give the local press a head-start over the nationals but doesn''t appear to work that way. I think he was appointed around the same time as that Twit(terer) Stephen Fry. Which one is proving to be the greater value? -
I fear £8m. may well be far from the true figure, a newspaper can make up their own number but anything over £5.5m. would be a good deal, given our others in that position.Would like to see Pilkington turned into cash as well but his persistent unavailability problem, coupled with often being anonymous when on the pitch has devalued him from the days when Swansea were said to be knocking. -
Yes, it''s bad enough having to live with Hodgson''s slimebag behaviour, so we can well do without Brooking attempting to justify the process. And are we interested in the opinion of a 24 carat failure when it comes to football management? -
Could not agree more with Ciderkiddcanary when he talks about the unfairness of taking Foster after he told England where to go for two years. In that time Ruddy was turning up to all the squad sessions. Then, the worst bit of all is that Hodgson approached Foster to talk him back into the fold. This, after had dismissed considering Terry, saying that once a player had retired that''s that.Also, I don''t rate Foster that highly anyway, tries to stop more with his feet and legs than he does with his hands and arms. -
[quote user="nutty nigel"]Which ones like Gunn, which ones like crook and which like butterworth? I see it as more like stringer and Williams. What''s it about Joe Royle that reminds you of the others?[/quote]Royle is not part of the comparison that was mentioned. He is a fourth name added in an attempt to compensate for Neil''s total lack of experience and to presumably becomes caretaker should it all go breasts up. -
[quote user="nutty nigel"]Which ones like Gunn, which ones like crook and which like butterworth? I see it as more like stringer and Williams. What''s it about Joe Royle that reminds you of the others?[/quote]Royle is not part of the comparison that was mentioned. He is a fourth name added in an attempt to compensate for Neil''s total lack of experience and to presumably becomes caretaker should it all go breasts up. -
In a way you''ve spoiled it for me. I was imagining it was something far less savoury. -
[quote user="Rich T The Biscuit"]Seems to me that the appointment of Joe Royle just gives Neil Adams the knowledge and support that he needs. Yes he''s a novice when it comes to be a manager of a senior professional team but it''s quite clear he has talent, winning the youth cup shouldn''t be taken lightly.Surely anyone in a senior position of any organisation needs support from someone who has previously done it with relative success.The other insight he gets from Royle is the transfer market and a respected name to attract players. My biggest concern was how he was going to attract players, seems to me from what Royle said recently, he has a list already.Isn''t that what a football consultant does, guides and support?Proof for me will be who we get in!![/quote]I fully understand that whoever is in the senior position will need support from those around him. My point is that you don''t put a novice in the main role, it is not a position where you serve your apprenticeship.Likewise, it should not be a position where selection of your support staff are dictated by the massive voids in your own c.v.For those who see my opinions as negative and unsupportive, I have to say that come August I shall only want success for the set-up but this stage I feel I am one of twenty-two thousand who has been short-changed and badly let down by McNally & Co. -
There is a strong body of supporters who defend the clubs board, even in the face of the most outrageous actions or inaction.So it was with the "five games to go" appointment of Neil Adams. Then the even more unbelievable permanent appointment of him. After that, the forums were full of praise for what was suddenly a wonderfully astute move on the clubs part. The fact that his record was totally devoid of experience of any sort at this (or any other adult football) level became totally irrelevant.Next we come to the appointment of his management team. Again, more of the same and then, what is being heralded as the genius of all appointments - Joe Royle. And the messageboards are alive with activity and jubilation. Why, because the same people who saw Adams as a great appointment are now saying that he will need somebody with him who has a bit of a clue about the job. In other words, he may not have a clue about what''s involved, what to expect and Joe Royle will be a handy guy to have around to take the reins in the event of failure.We have to thank the directors for the whole Lambert thing and the straightening of the finances. However, all other appointments, Gunn, over-perseverance with Hughton and now this string of gems, beg the question was the Lambert choice a lucky fluke? -
Surman''s spell away from Norwich has improved him as a player beyond recognition. Well it has according to the posters on here.I know we are now down a league on where we''ve been and that Surman''s strengths are in distribution but surely supporters can''t overlook the way he consistently abstains when it comes to contesting any 50/50 ball. A split second delay makes that ball a 20/80 ball, every time.If there''s a chance to unload without a financial hit, I''d grab it. -
[quote user="GrantsMoustache"]It is retarded to say that Van Wolfswinkel would do better in an attacking team. Is there a single striker in the world who doesn''t want to play in an attacking team.Hooper managed 7 goals, Holt managed 8, both in a conservative Hughton team where preventing the opposition scoring was the priority. Both are considered to have had bad seasons.Van Wolfswinkel scored 1 goal in 25 games under exactly the same circumstances. All strikers need chances, Wolfy didn''t take enough of the ones that he got - Hooper has established himself as our best striker and it is he who we now need to look to for goals. Wolfy got his chance and blew it, no room for sentiments we need strikers who score goals.[/quote]I agree with much of what you say about football but to describe people with a differing football opinion to your own as "retarded?" Really? -
The manager should have total authority on pure footballing matters (putting squad together, team selection, tactics etc.). If, as some have suggested on here, the new man has a role which in any way includes monitoring the managers performance and reporting to the board, then McNally really does need to move on. I don''t think the perceived role does have seniority over the manager but some posters on here appear to see it that way. It is worrying that Neil Adams is so elated at having got the gig that he is not in a position to resist anything that the board might impose. He''ll just have to hope that the new appointment is simply in charge of energy drinks, menus, sexual activity timetables etc. -
[quote user="littleyellowbirdie"][quote user="danielsroundabout"]I hate it when you are not sure whether you are getting the true story. At least with the Chairman, all doubt is removed, we can work out how events unfolded and his version leaves us in no doubt whatsoever.Much was said about Hughton never having a Plan B. Well it is now obvious that McNally and the Chairman don''t have one either. In an interview in the Spring, when questioned about replacing Hughton, McNally said that he kept a close eye on alternative managers and their availability, at all times, because one never knows when you''ll need a replacement.In an earlier post I used the word cheapskates in reference to the club and the appointment of Adams and I still think there is a strong element of this in the appointment. Allied to this, I think also that there is a fair degree of panic involved. The panic was the result of two deadlines being set and not met, whilst at the same time media and certain supporters were highlighting the overshoot and relating it to incompetence.In the radio phone-in last Monday, McNally pretty much let the cat out that Adams would not be getting the job but stated they wished to find a role for him somewhere in the structure. And then there they sit 4/5 days later, giving it the one that Adams was always top of their list because he ticked all the boxes.As other contributors have said, whoever was appointed would have displeased a proportion of supporters. However, I don''t think any name would get a negative reaction in such numbers as this.[/quote]Frankly, the idea that anyone could believe that anyone would be considering a few quid either way on someone''s contract with multi-million pounds at stakes for success and failure is laughable. It sounds like the sort of thing a child would say having a tantrum at its parents.[/quote]No, littleyellowbirdie, on reflection I can''t think such a vital decision would be down to saving a few £100k''s on the manager. But accepting that, to what do you attribute such an appalling choice. -
[quote user="TCCANARY"][quote user="danielsroundabout"]I hate it when you are not sure whether you are getting the true story. At least with the Chairman, all doubt is removed, we can work out how events unfolded and his version leaves us in no doubt whatsoever. Much was said about Hughton never having a Plan B. Well it is now obvious that McNally and the Chairman don''t have one either. In an interview in the Spring, when questioned about replacing Hughton, McNally said that he kept a close eye on alternative managers and their availability, at all times, because one never knows when you''ll need a replacement. In an earlier post I used the word cheapskates in reference to the club and the appointment of Adams and I still think there is a strong element of this in the appointment. Allied to this, I think also that there is a fair degree of panic involved. The panic was the result of two deadlines being set and not met, whilst at the same time media and certain supporters were highlighting the overshoot and relating it to incompetence. In the radio phone-in last Monday, McNally pretty much let the cat out that Adams would not be getting the job but stated they wished to find a role for him somewhere in the structure. And then there they sit 4/5 days later, giving it the one that Adams was always top of their list because he ticked all the boxes. As other contributors have said, whoever was appointed would have displeased a proportion of supporters. However, I don''t think any name would get a negative reaction in such numbers as this.[/quote]
There wasn''t a any deadlines set.
No-one said that Adams was top of their list.
[/quote]You are rather splitting hairs TC. Maybe not deadlines but certainly stating times by which an announcement would be made. Statements which caused press and supporters to ask questions on why no announcement.Adams not top of their list? Well he was the only one to tick all the boxes and was the "unanimous" choice of the board. -
Will be surprised if Spurs appoint him. I''m sure they must have an Under 14''s coach at the club who has no experience of management who they could appoint. Someone who is Spurs through and through. The type of appointment that''s all the rage. -
I hate it when you are not sure whether you are getting the true story. At least with the Chairman, all doubt is removed, we can work out how events unfolded and his version leaves us in no doubt whatsoever.Much was said about Hughton never having a Plan B. Well it is now obvious that McNally and the Chairman don''t have one either. In an interview in the Spring, when questioned about replacing Hughton, McNally said that he kept a close eye on alternative managers and their availability, at all times, because one never knows when you''ll need a replacement.In an earlier post I used the word cheapskates in reference to the club and the appointment of Adams and I still think there is a strong element of this in the appointment. Allied to this, I think also that there is a fair degree of panic involved. The panic was the result of two deadlines being set and not met, whilst at the same time media and certain supporters were highlighting the overshoot and relating it to incompetence.In the radio phone-in last Monday, McNally pretty much let the cat out that Adams would not be getting the job but stated they wished to find a role for him somewhere in the structure. And then there they sit 4/5 days later, giving it the one that Adams was always top of their list because he ticked all the boxes.As other contributors have said, whoever was appointed would have displeased a proportion of supporters. However, I don''t think any name would get a negative reaction in such numbers as this. -
I would let them both go but I fear, as with our strikers, that we will not be able to realise the money we would like. I seem to recall rumours of a Swansea offer for Pilkington at £3m. a while back. Now, I think we would struggle for half that sum.With Hooper and RVW, the numbers are obviously much bigger and the loss on disposal likewise. Factors which will doubtless influence their whereabouts this coming season. -
[quote user="City1st"]yep, when they fail as you predict, McNally will be rubbing his hands with glee as he mananged to avoid a half million in bonusesthe only really fate worse than death would be if a genuine supporter was forced to plough through all this whinging sh ite that herberts like you keep sticking upnow why not give it a rest - it has been bleated out ... thread after threadif you are not happy you know where the A140 is[/quote]Given that a similar line is being "bleated out thread after thread", have you not considered that there could be value in the opinions being expressed? And could some of the bleatings be coming from genuine supporters who can see the situation for what it is. Unlike the deluded individuals who accept anything and everything because only they are the real deal. -
Now that he has finally made the appointment, I understand the full meaning of McNally''s comment that relegation would be a fate worse than death.I am more than disappointed in the club trousering the income from 22,000 Premiership priced season tickets and then appointing what must be the most inexperienced, manager to be seen at any of the top 20 or 30 clubs in England (& Wales).In a pathetic press conference attempt to justify the decision, McNally and especially Bowkett, get a bit snappy when the wisdom of their choice is in any way questioned.They talk of Adams''s man management skills when his experience is solely with boys and youth.They talk about his desire, his hunger. Well in any organisation there will be people who feel they could do the top job when in reality they are totally ill-equipped for the role.So much was said about his attributes, about him ticking all the boxes when the other short listers didn''t. And this from a guy with zero experience of so many of the key tasks he will need to carry out.So much of the decision seems to rest with the deluded idea that being "Norwich through and through" will make up for the fact he has never previously managed. The supporters who back the decision would also have liked Mackay (ex Canary theory) and doubtless backed the original and subsequent re-appointment of Gunn. What a load of sentimental tripe. This Hall of Famer is another rose-tinted glasses thing also. Yes, of course he played a couple of hundred or so games for us but apart from justifying his place in the team, he was little more than mediocre. Nowhere near the Huckerby league for instance.Rather than accepting the opportunity to rectify their mistake in delaying the dismissal of Hughton by making a sound appointment, they have compounded the earlier disaster. Now, those same supporters will be on their backs from the start of the season. What cheapskates they appear, for I can see no other reason for it. -
There is now an even closer parallel with the Gunn debacle. Gunn was appointed and then, at the end of a dire season, re-appointed - to the total disbelief of all but the deluded few. Now, we have it all again. An unthinkable panic-ridden appointment for five games and then, an even more unthinkable permanent appointment. -
[quote user="simmo_2"]OMG What have the board done[/quote]I''d say your percentage is about right and the other 25% would be the sentimentalists who play the Norwich through and through line. Same mentality as those who wanted Mackay simply because we are one of about ten clubs he has been associated with as player and manager.So, we have a manager who has never managed before (except the final five) and hasn''t even coached at any level other than youth football. Do we know who will be his A.M. and coach?Some would say failure to get back to the Prem. at the first attempt would be a fate worse than death. That being the case, one would have expected the appointment of a manager who could demonstrate successful experience of the task. We simply cannot afford to pay a trainee manager to make mistakes as he learns the ropes.I really would like to know what events caused the extended delay in making the appointment, who we were getting and why we haven''t got him. Obviously we''ll never know this but for me, at Monday''s phone-in, McNally more or less said that it would not be Adams but that he would likely remain in some capacity.
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