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    1 hour ago, lake district canary said:

    Cantona's antics weren't to do with being separate from the group  which is what we are talking about here. He delivered on the pitch, combining his talent both individually and for the team. Sure he jumped into the crowd, under severe provocation and he was punished for it, but never - to my knowledge - caused any problems for the group ethic. Compare that with Oliveira who often seemed to get the ball and shoot, making for a very one dimensional attack, ignoring players in a better position than him and then caused problems for Farke when he was dropped. Imagine anyone going in to see Ferguson and insisting they play......

    You sure keep making my point.

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    1 hour ago, Worthy Nigelton said:

    Cantona is an awful example. They said his attitude to work and extra training sessions changed the mentality at United. He was a maverick but he was 100% committed to the team and his craft. 

    Quite wrong.  He’s not an awful example at all.  We’re talking about managers and their leadership style.  As per my earlier post, Ferguson bent the rules for exceptional players. 

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    1 hour ago, lake district canary said:

    Cantona was a huge ego, but was a great player for Man Utd because of it, not in spite of it and Ferguson was clearly in control of his players. When players start to cause problems within the group, that is when managers start having problems.  Nothing wrong with huge egos as long as they are focussed to play within the group and not set themselves apart.

    That’s my point.  Great manager know how to get the best out of great players as well as average players.  They don’t have a one-size-fits all approach.  They’re not inflexible and they bend rules for star players.  Cantona jumped into the stand and karate kicked a fan.  Ferguson supported him.  He didn’t send him to train with the youth.  Jaap Stam stepped out of line and he was gone.  

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    54 minutes ago, Monty13 said:

    I think this will always be my biggest criticism of Farke.

    This is fine if the players are fringe and you can do without them but your job as manager is to motivate and manage these individuals. They aren’t associates in a warehouse, they are club assets.

    Star players almost always have egos, they have to be managed. Isolation should be the last resort.

    Well put.

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    26 minutes ago, lake district canary said:

    It's a number one requirement of the best managers that the players are 100% committed to the group effort. This is what made Clough/Shankly/Ferguson so successful and  Guardiola and Klopp today. 

    Imo it's the biggest thing to get right and setting out how it is, clear and simple, is a message to all those who set themselves apart. I think it's a great strategy and one that gets rid of those unable to keep their egos in check.  

    You might lose some good players on the way  but as long as you are supported by the club, it means your authority as head coach/manager is maintained and the players know exactly where they stand. 

    Several players caused Farke problems at Norwich and he dealt with them as he set out when he first arrived - and on the whole, it was beneficial to the group cohesiveness. Cantwell was the trickiest one to deal with and imo was part of the reason Farke was sacked. Yes, results was the major reason, but having Cantwell outside of things was not helping the team and it was a constant irritation to squad cohesiveness. 

    Lose your authority as a manager, or not be supported in your actions by the club and you might as well give up. Farke is exactly right in his approach to the group ethic and you would expect Leeds to have that - but if too many rebel, them he will fail. Will be interesting to see if he succeeds in that aspect and if he does - and is allowed to buy the calibre of players he needs - success  on the pitch is all but guaranteed. 

    I must have missed your tenure as England manager.  
     

    What rubbish. Remember Cantona? Do you think Ferguson didn’t bend rules for him?  Just as one example.

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    Just now, PurpleCanary said:

    This is the supposedly shambolic transfer strategy that included a key post-Brexit switch to the Americas and so has already brought us Sara? Yes, thank the lord that has been binned,

    What the hell are you talking about? Webber had “p1ssed money up against the wall” and very little of it was spent in South America, relative to the amount wasted elsewhere.

     

    Why are some people so keen to defend the indefensible?

     

  10. Posted · Edited by Kingston Yellow

    On 11/08/2023 at 08:17, dylanisabaddog said:

    There are some very big moves in the Premier League involving deep lying midfield players. I have a nasty feeling that the likes of Brighton and West Ham will be casting their eyes at Sara. Probably little we could do about it but I'd be happier if we'd shifted Andy out for a big fee. 

    Your uneasy feeling should be about the Board. Not Sara. It’s very simple, the only way our season can be disrupted by Sara leaving is if the Board follow their usual form.

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    1 hour ago, norfolkngood said:

    Maybe it is Anxiety , maybe it all got a bit much for him leaving home pressure to succeed ?

    i would have thought if it was he would have got a lot of help by the club ,

    Iwan Roberts in his book wrote how a young player ian henderson ? used to cry at half time as he thought the fans hated him ? 

    you never really know what is going on ,

    Of course might not be this in Tzolis case 

    Maybe we could all stop being so wet and recognise that he was another poor signing by Webber. 

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    3 hours ago, Number9 said:

    It seems that the pinkun boys were invited to go on the preseason tour.

    That simply suggests to me that the content produced will be sanitised.

    I trialled last season.  There’s only so many times I can listen to their mics not working, WiFi problems, Connor describing things as “interesting” rather than expressing an opinion, or Paddy saying “individually and collectively” or any of his repertoire of cliches. 
     

    I actually like them both. Just wish they’d get off the pot, expressed clear views/ insight/ criticisms (where warranted) and avoided the platitudes and cliches!

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    3 hours ago, mr footy said:

    Norwich will mostly stay the same for next season with perhaps a few frees coming in .we have no money for transfers unless we sell big time.We are not a spending club,rightly or wrongly.Who knows what will happen in the coming seasons ,top six can be achieved with average players playing as a unit.Otbc.

    I think we could all move on, if we didn’t have complete incompetence within the club. The interviews from last week only confirm this.

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    51 minutes ago, Branston Pickle said:

    It is a strange one - I don’t have an issue with whatever sport there is, be it men or women, but people are entitled to their opinion.

    The women’s football thing is odd insofar as they appear to be able to sell occasional big games very well (eg 60k at Arsenal recently), but taking Chelsea as a yardstick, they play (mostly) at Kingsmeadow, a mile or two from me, which holds 4850 and never seems to sell out; then I think they had one game at Stamford Bridge which got 38000.  It will be interesting to see if it ever manages the same as the men, my feeling is that it will never quite manage due to the men’s game being so established (we just don’t have the time/money to follow both to the same extent). But long may it continue to do well. 

    This. 100%.

    No problem whatsoever with Women’s football. Massively object to the pretence that it’s in demand or mainstream. 

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