Mr.Carrow
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2 hours ago, canarybubbles said:I have also lived in an East-European country which suffered under Communism - the Czech Republic - so I'm aware from speaking to people there that authoritarianism is not limited to the far-right, and I accept that many of the European Left were incredibly naive about what was happening in the Soviet Union, although one reason for this was a (in my opinion, totally understandable) horror and disgust of what had happened in Germany.
I think the quote which I included in my latest reply to Fen Canary (admittedly from the Guardian, but I hope this doesn't mean that you instantly dismiss me as woke) is 'requisite evidence' that the AfD has no interest in democracy other than a way of gaining power and they are covertly pro-neo-Nazi.
As for the Frankfurt School, I am glad your nephew is reading them, although I hope they are not being 'taught with reverence' because nothing should be taught with reverence at a university. Yes, they self-identified as Marxist, although ironically they were often criticised (with the possible exception of Althusser) for being bourgeois and not Marxist enough because of their interest in superstructural cultural issues rather than the vulgar Marxist insistence on the economic base. If your nephew disagrees with the key ideas of the Frankfurt School, it's his task as a student to construct good arguments against them. I hope he does.
Finally, I accept there is an element of 'woke' that is dismissive of opposing opinions and even sometimes seeks to silence them (e.g. no platforming), but this is massively exaggerated in my opinion and to equate it with the hate-filled rhetoric of groups like the AfD is simply wrong. I feel fairly sure you disagree with me on this, and we'll just have to agree to disagree.
I've recommended my nephew the book "Cynical Theories" about the Critical Theories (the roots of Identity politics), Pinker, Haidt and Evolutionary psychology. Surprise surprise, the only exposure he's had to these ideas is through the likes of Joe Rogan who, surprise surprise is regularly smeared as "far right". It remains to be seen if he wants to risk being failed for wrongthink in our ideologically captured educational institutions thereby wasting many years and a ton of money. Of course Gramsci and the Frankfurt schoolers knew exactly the power of social coercion and incentives they could unleash once they flipped the victim/victimiser dichotomy from class to identity. I almost admire them. It was very clever and it's worked. We are now living in Marcuse's "repressive tolerance".
As for the AFD, from the Guardian article i read it was an open ended discussion on pro's and con's at a meeting which has subsequently (predictably) been spun to be a defining policy commitment. Much as far left meetings will have regularly discussed defunding the police, disrupting the nuclear family,, reparations, equality of outcome etc but anyone who points out that these ideas are fundamentally Communist is called all the usual slurs. Classic ideological propaganda tactics- exaggerate and spin anything from the other side, whilst downplaying, ignoring or misrepresenting the extremes of your own side. Congratulations, it's working.
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42 minutes ago, canarybubbles said:I agree that the old Left/Right distinction is probably outdated. But if the new paradigm is going to become Authoritarian/Liberal, I think we need to add a second element, economic and social, so we have four categories: EA/SL, EL/SA, EL/SL and EA/SA. The Thatcher government, for example, was largely economically liberal and socially authoritarian.
I also agree that the label of 'Fascist' is often lazily given to individuals or groups (and I am probably guilty of this at times), but the same is just as true of 'Marxist', for example.
None of this removes my fear, though, of what is happening currently to the world, with the rise of groups which would replace democracy, for all its problems, with brutal, centralised authoritarianism, and even eventually the knock on the door in the middle of the night and people 'disappearing'.
I would suggest that your tendency to infer bad motivations without requisite evidence (as per your reply to Fen Canary) is highly culturally dependent. I'm living in a country sadistically decimated within living memory by a guy who was trained in Paris by the French Communist party. Here, as in much of Eastern Europe, the cultural ogre hiding behind every metaphorical rock is the return of that vicious, anti human ideology just as in Europe everything culturally suspect is quickly linked to 1930's Germany.
Yet in the West even Liberal values such as free speech and the open marketplace of ideas are increasingly branded "right wing" , whilst rebranded Communist concepts such as equality of outcome ("equity") are normalised. Frustrated Communists such as the Frankfurt school group are still being taught with reverence in my nephews Sociology University course. Any thinking person from a recently Communist country can identify what is going on here- I've met plenty.
In a culture which can only see Totalitarian threat coming from one extreme and goes out of it's way to make excuses for the other extreme, it should be obvious which one is more likely to blindside you. In short the Left needs to look in the mirror and have a reckoning with itself and stop insisting that "Left" and "Liberal" are interchangeable when they are clearly anything but. Even Orwell pointed out that the British Left had essentially cosied up to Stalin in the fight against Fascism.
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19 hours ago, Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man said:Barnes doesn't do much that would end up on a highlights reel, but his experience, leadership, awkwardness to play against and general shlthousery are extremely underrated. I feel the team functions better, both as individuals and as a unit, with Barnes in the team.
I don't think it's a coincidence that our poor run this season came when Barnes was out injured. We put in some weak performances which I'm not sure would've happened with Barnes there. Would we have shipped six at Plymouth? Would we have lost against Leeds having been 2-0 up with half an hour to go?
If you watch Barnes he plays most of the game with his back to goal. His job is to make the ball stick in dangerous areas of the pitch, then bring the more creative players into play- and he's pretty good at it. Sara would only really work in that position if we went back to possession based football rather than counter punching and I'm of the opinion that with the players we have the latter is more effective (as born out by results).
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18 hours ago, Fen Canary said:And in which of those countries you mentioned has a sensible immigration policy been enacted? Britain voted to leave the EU with immigration being a major factor and what happened? Immigration hit record highs. If Italy had managed to stop the vast numbers of illegal immigrants crossing the Med do you think Meloni’s party would have got a look in? Do you think Le Pen would be anywhere near power if Frances major parties had any control over who was entering the country? Likewise with Trump and Americas border with Mexico?
Why is it fascist to want the government to control who enters a nation? I’ve never truly understood the link to those particular regimes and a nations border controls 100 years later personally.
Milei is pretty much the opposite of Wilders being an open borders Liberal absolutist, yet both are lazily branded "fascists". I've always voted Left and agreed with much of Meloni's viral speech about us all being turned into atomised units of consumption. Many of the current shibboleths of "Left" orthodoxy are in many ways closer to Fascism than the centre Right (obsession with hierarchies based on immutable characteristics, anti-semitism etc). Unfortunately people love grandstanding their moral righteousness based on very little thought or accurate information (just our evolved desire to play status games and make sure we reap the rewards of conforming to the latest social conventions). Authoritarian/Liberal is a better paradigm for thinking about modern politics than Left/Right imo.
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Support first, have a good moan at the end if things go to pot. I at least have respect for people who do that.
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There are sets of fans who are generally quite loud but who are equally loud when they're p*ssed off. The thing is they usually support first and moan/boo if things go badly. CR is dominated by people who are silent when things are going well, but suddenly very vocal when disgruntled. These days i go to CR hoping the ref has a shocker, or the opposition are dirty foulers so at least the moaners take it out on something other than their own players and club.
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Why do perfect assume others want to sit where they always sit when they have the chance to try somewhere different?
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4 hours ago, Nexus_Canary said:Rule Knutson out
Why?
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On 02/01/2024 at 17:05, Conrad said:Let's wait and see what happens in the current climate, shall we. The figures you quote prove nothing. The cheap ticket prices for cup games helps, but does not guarantee a good attendance. The question really is, how many ST holders attend a cup game, so how many casuals also attend.
16,000 sold as per official site. Club expecting 19-20,000.
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He was the best player on the pitch in that game.
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3 minutes ago, Conrad said:Let's wait and see what happens in the current climate, shall we. The figures you quote prove nothing. The cheap ticket prices for cup games helps, but does not guarantee a good attendance. The question really is, how many ST holders attend a cup game, so how many casuals also attend.
Well given that we can't know the breakdown between season ticket holders and casuals for Cup games, neither of us can prove our point. And all clubs do ticket offers for the early rounds and even big clubs struggle to hit 10k. We've had early round cup games kick off delayed due to the queues trying to get in in recent years. Our attendances have been astonishing for that level of game.
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2 hours ago, Conrad said:So there is no point in a ground expansion then? If people are not interested in going to a cup match, with cheap tickets and all, why on earth would they be willing to attend league matches on a regular basis especially given our performances currently. A lot of posters on here have said that they (and others) would like the opportunity to attend a match. Well here it is. Put up or shut up. Show the demand is there.
We have already proven your point wrong many times. Against non league Luton in the cup we had a 26521 sell out. Many of our early round cup games have been over 20k and often amongst the highest in the country. Saturday won't be that but I guarantee it will be better than many clubs supposedly bigger than us.
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12 minutes ago, Conrad said:It will be interesting to see the attendance this coming Saturday. All those that are supposedly out there wanting to attend a match, but cannot currently due to the amount of ST holders, have an opportunity. Anyone wishing to attend and sit with their friends can and the reasonable ticket pricing means that attendance is affordable to all. Let's see if the great number of people, who purport to support the club but cannot usually get a ticket turn up. I think not.
Doesn't really work like that though. Football is addictive and in many respects clubs have to cultivate support with ticket deals etc as we did 20 years ago and 1p5wich have done recently. People drift away and find other things to do, especially when every time they try to get a good bunch of seats together it's utterly impossible.
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1 hour ago, essex canary said:Why not make the single seats cheaper?
Do they want to choke off people who go out of habit or loyalty?
Cambridge United have sent out emails to season ticket holders saying if you don't want to attend the match taking place in 2 days time click here. That then facilitates a resale. No money back but you couldn't expect that from a Club who largely lives of gate money that hasn't been the recent NCFC experience.
NCFC's recent 'own the pitch' initiative is a good one in funding defibrillators in the community. Why though not link that to Season Ticket match surrender rather than yet another gambling opportunity as currently constructed?
They don't know which single seats will be left until the day of the game, and if they advertise "half price single seats" many people will hold off buying until the day. Don't think that's really feasible. I do agree with you and sony that there are probably more proactive things the club can do and that they have become extremely complacent. But It's not much good talking about what Swansea etc are doing when they have 7-8000 good seats available per game whereas we have 6-800 restricted view and single seats. To revive the support and atmosphere we need more seats.
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1 hour ago, sonyc said:Anyway, just some impressions. I don't know the answer. Change is needed though. Your idea of cheap tickets is interesting for starters. It has galvanised support from younger fans at clubs in League Two for example.
With respect, how/why would we implement cheap tickets if every ticket except restricted view and single seats sell out anyway? The issue is that CR is effectively a closed shop dominated by an ageing demographic who generally go out of habit or because they've got nothing better to do.
The only way to open the ground up to new, more vibrant demographics is expansion. Then we can maybe offer cheaper tickets for teens/large groups etc.
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Our under 21's are the best crop for years. Stuffed full of prospects. Adegboyega, Welch, Montoia, Aboh highly rated with others doing well on loan.
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1 hour ago, S_81 said:Oh I can read. A horrible sense of entitlement was referred to. Hence my disagreement.
As for Smith and Wagner - neither largely delivered much to cheer about. But the crowd are doing their best. But it’s draining watching such turgid dross. Or poor performances from players who are paid to play better. You seem to be overlooking these things, which is just odd.Southampton players are higher paid than ours, so by your logic it was a great result today, right?
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15 minutes ago, Mason 47 said:I agree with Hog, Branston et al
There has been an expectation in the past few years which carries with it zero patience. A lot of the players look scared to make mistakes, something I call Idah Syndrome, and I think a lot of that has to do with the volume of negative reinforcement.
It's a two-way street of course, things haven't been too smart on the pitch for a while and you cant have one without the other. But, given our rocking start, the support from the stands faded very quickly from Rotherham A onwards.
Personally I feel the club is in a much wider transitional state than most realise, and this is part of that. There is a great number of fans all over social media saying things like 'just cba to go anymore' and harsh as it may sound, that is necessary. The seats will vacate, the football will eventually turn around, the seats will fill again with the new cycle of fans with the enthusiasm of novelty. Such is life.
These people never actually follow up on their words though. Every average/poor season there's talk of a season ticket boycott/'nobody i know is renewing", yet every season they sell out easily. I genuinely think it would be positivefor the club if 5000 or so quit. Most of those tickets would be resold to people actually excited about going.
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1 hour ago, TheGunnShow said:Totally agree. I said when Farke went that our management job was a really poisoned chalice, and this is a side-effect of it.
Unfortunately it feels like one of those unsolvable problems. Negative, pessimistic people don't change when it's pointed out to them, they double down and dig their heels in. And a lot of people don't want to go to games to be surrounded by people silently waiting for something to complain about. It's utterly depressing.
The only thing that can change the cultural dynamic at CR is expansion.
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1 hour ago, RobJames said:The supposed market has little bearing on the attendance. The binners have more than doubled their attendances in the past 2 years. Has the surrounding population doubled in those two years. Portsmouth were once selling out their ground when in the PL. they have a long history of top flight football yet no sell-out crowds Spot the connection ?
We are seeing diminishing attendances as CR. Is the cause a diminishing population ?. No. It is because what is on offer currently is not attractive to many of the 'plastics'. They follow success. Something a club our size cannot guarantee. In fact, bar 8 or so PL clubs no others can. Yet we are told we should get into debt for no real financial gain, but at possible huge financial risk.
Who would go to a casino if you could not come out ahead financially, but there was a chance you might not lose ?
What has Ipswich, Portsmouth etc not coming close to selling out when not doing well, got to do with the fact that we have constantly been selling out for 15 years no matter how we're doing? You are actually arguing against your own point. And, as pointed out earlier, we are still selling out of season tickets, have a waiting list and easily sell decent seats that become available.
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21 hours ago, RobJames said:It just gets worse.
The development based on the BEST case scenario would require a subsidy every year. See the binners for the worst case - bankruptcy
As it is ultimately the lenders who would fund this, it is up to them how THEY assess the risk. Try to raise a mortgage on your analysis only, so it makes any initial analysis meaningless.
Milton Keynes has a population double that of Norwich. Why are they not filling a stadium twice the size of Carrow Road ?
The urban population of Milton Keynes is much the same as that of Norwich because most of Norwich's suburbs are officially part of county seats. Norfolk's population is nigh on 1 million and can almost be classed as a "captive market" for NCFC as it's so difficult to get to other clubs of a similar level.
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2 hours ago, RobJames said:The problem there is those waiting for a season ticket likely be casuals. When the club was in the PL there was no problem in selling restricted view seats. Underpinning the blindingly obvious flaw in the thinking (?) of some on here.
There is no guarantee of where we will be in 2 seasons ahead, never mind 20 years hence.
Clubs like Liverpool are part of a closed shop that pretty much guarantees them PL/ European football. They are like a pub opening the back room to cope with demand on a match day. We are opening the back room without knowing what day of the week it is
The point is there is many times the demand for decent seats as for rubbish ones. In terms of percentage seats sold we've been one of the top clubs in the country outside the big six for about 15 years. That's because virtually every club struggles to sell single and restricted view seats.
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3 hours ago, Pyro Pete said:Currently, plenty of empty seats at every home game.
So no need to worry, right now.
Decent seats still sell out easily. Huddersfield sent back 2 blocks, Southampton 1 block and both sold out easily. Pointing to a few hundred empty single or restricted view seats as evidence of lack of demand is silly. A bigger South Stand would sell out easily on the evidence of blocks not taken by away teams. Plus we still have a season ticket waiting list.
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It's interesting that Knapper- who claims to be a football purist- arriving has coincided with two of our best technical players in Nunez and Sainz getting a run and improving the team markedly. Maybe Knapper politely pointed out that if you don't give the ball away so often, you don't have to run around as much to win it back.
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Yet you'll be utterly cr@pping yourselves coming to CR and you know without a shadow of a doubt that you'll blow the play offs.