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  3. Posted

    [quote user="super dave"]I''ve just been listening to the Npower Football League podcast and I feel it''s raised an interesting point..

    There was an interview in the podcast with a guy called Dave Allison (sp?) who''s the head of the football league referees.

    During the interview, Dave was talking about how clubs now have the right to contact him if they''ve got a problem with a refereeing decision made during a game.

    He would look at the incident and then explain to the manager why the referee made the decision, regardless of if it was the correct one.

    He then mentioned how decisions are highlighted from many different angles on tv which the ref doesn''t get to see which can prove if the correct decision was made or not and he was alluding to our recent derby game with Ipswich.

    Steve Claridge then said that it had recently happened during the Norwich v Ipswich game, obviously regarding the Jackson penalty incident. It was said that the ref couldn''t have given the pen from the angle that he saw it, but basically when it was seen from another angle that it was the wrong decision not to give it.

    Dave Allison then said that when things like that happen, he''ll sit down with the ref in question and go through ways he can improve his positioning, etc... so that if the same kind of incident was to arise again, the ref would be able to have a better chance of making the correct decision.

    My point is that surely if this kind of scenario arises when clearly a wrong decision has been made, shouldn''t there be some kind of retrospective action taken to try and correct the wrong decision that was made? Shouldn''t Jackson get his yellow card for a supposed dive resinded as it''s been proven afterwards that the wrong decision at the time was made.

    Obviously Jackson getting wrongly booked could have led to a suspension meaning the team would have been punished twice. Once for the incorrect decision during the game and secondly for having to be without a player for a game due to a suspension when they shouldn''t have been.

    The interview was around 45 mins into the podcast if anyones interested.


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    YES, I believe it should be possible to challenge yellow cards in exactly the same way as reds.  They build up to a suspension and also have a definite bearing on the way in which a player has ro conduct himself for the remainder of a game for fear of a second yellow and the sending off.  At present it is the clubs, players and therefore the paying supporters who suffer for referee''s errors with very little, if any punishment being handed out to the officials when they do something wrong.  If we are going to continue to ignore video technology as used in Rugby and Cricket etc. to ''assist'' the officials in making correct decisions, then I believe it is even more important that they are nade more accountable for their actions. 

  4. Posted

    [quote user="Brentwood Yellow"]"Clegg says the ground, with a capacity of just over 30,000, is just one of several building blocks that convinced Evans the club have huge potential. "We''ve got a massive catchment area. There is a small club to the north of us [Norwich] that has just been relegated. But if you go west you have to go all the way to MK Dons, if you go south-west, Colchester apart, you have to go all the way to West Ham.""

     

    Well, well, well Mr Clegg.  That "small club to the north" who average about 8,000 fans a game more certainly gave your boys a FOUR-midable lesson yesterday.  Thank you for appointing Roy Keane, it has been a disaster that I have thoroughly enjoyed.  Long may it continue.


    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2009/may/20/roy-keane-simon-clegg-ipswich

    [/quote]

    Quite prophetic really, as he also has to look NORTH if he want''s to find us in the league table!

  5. Posted

    [quote user="CT"]We''re hardly in decent form ourselves. Being confident always seems to come back to bite us. In the years since I''ve started following City I''ve lost count of the games we''ve lost when going into it confidently (Fulham away anyone?). I really really hope we win but I am by no means confident. OTBC[/quote]

    I think it''s only natural to feel a confidence ''wobble'' when the result is so important to us, but ask yourselves one question.........Would you rather be in our shoes or those of Ipswich?

  6. Posted

    [quote user="Cluckbert Chase"][quote user="Canary"]When Chase left the club he took us back and that is one of the reasons we are where we are now!!!!![/quote]

    Cobblers..... Normality simply resumed that''s all.

    Such unprecedented success could never be maintained given the income available, and like Portsmouth recently we had to pay over the top in so many ways just to tread water.

    I find it remarkable and ridiculous that so many of you just don''t get it.  Just be grateful for all that he gave us.... or if you can''t remember....don''t believe all that you read and are told.
    [/quote]

    Oh I get it alright.  Basically what you are saying is that it doesn’t matter if the person who owns/runs the club is a crook with the ethics of a pickpocket (your terminology: businessman) provided a degree of success is achieved.  You will never get it either because you just can’t or won’t accept that the period of success we enjoyed was in spite of rather than because of Chase.  Yes, he did appoint the manager who brought the success, but don’t try telling us he had some kind of second site because if that was the case he wouldn’t have appointed Deehan or Megson would he?

     As far as Chase was concerned our purple patch was a happy accident.  Don’t you think it’s just a little bit of a coincidence that everyone who worked under his regime wouldn’t spit on him if he caught fire?  The number of people who still share your opinion of Chase would struggle to fill a telephone box and yet you still don’t get it!   

     

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    I am finding many of the comments being made by the ‘Pro-Chase’ camp irritating to say the least.  This is not intended as an insult to anyone, but simply as an observation based upon my own recollections of the Chase era.  I can’t help wondering how many of those who now seemingly hold the man in such high esteem held the same views in the final two years of his tenure.

    Yes, he did many things for the club that were very good, but how many of these were done with the sole and specific intention of benefitting NCFC?  My point being that Mr R Chase also stood to benefit and this in my opinion was the main driver.  And before the pro-lobby jump down my throat I would like to add that this was no different to 90% of the chairmen around at the time and consequently accepted as the norm.  Chase was typical of the local ‘little big man’ breed that ran football clubs up and down the country and as such, like most of his fellow chairmen didn’t posses the vision to adapt to the changes taking place with the advent of Sky TV revenue or the passion for the club to be successful.  Remember the reply to Mike Walker after finishing third in the first year of the Premiership when Walker wanted to strengthen the squad in order to make a challenge for the title the following year?  It was, as quoted by Mike Walker after he’d left to join Everton “I won’t be buying, I’ll be selling”!  Why can’t the Chase supporters concede that although he did some things that fortuitously benefitted the club, he was an ‘Arthur Daley’ who lost control as a direct result of his dodgy deals driven by a personal agenda.  I also cannot understand how anyone can accuse the local press of fuelling the flames of the ‘Chase Out’ campaign when they are only allowed to print facts and the facts were the overwhelming majority wanted him out.  I and everyone I sat with in the old South Stand hated Chase for pulling the rug from under the feet of Walker, the club and the supporters when it was on the verge of unprecedented success.   

    Please don’t bother telling us all how the club has subsequently benefitted from the sale of land purchased by the great visionary because the income from that is small change compared to what the club would have received if we had stayed in the Premier League.

    The ‘Smith & Jones’ era has not been covered in glory either, before anyone feels the need to point it out, but I believe as stated by Chicken in an earlier post they have done everything with the best intentions and not for personal gain.  Their biggest mistake in my opinion was putting so much trust and power in the direction of Neil Doncaster and then allowing him to stay long enough to do so much damage.             

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    [quote user="chicken"]I don''t think it is entirely fair to judge Chase in an incredibly bad light, I think the last few years of his reign did highlight an inbalance at that time, of priorities. Perhaps he was in it to make money but it is a buisiness after all. Where he went wrong was that for many years we had been able to hold our own in the top flight whilst still being able to sell on our top players. This was down to the managers being able to sign bargain replacements or a suitable youth player being found to grow into the role. The problem I see with this is that it works with the ''little club'' mentality. I don''t think Chase ever saw us as being good enough to fight for the top league title. He didn''t see the worth in the risk to win it either. But at the end of the day that was the problem. When we were in dire straights in terms of league position how much did he do to try and keep us up? And as for quality players he brought to this club - he may have provided the fee''s but its the managers at the end of the day, that identify their targets and do the work of bringing them in. When push came to shove Chase was not up to dealing with being in a tight spot. He continued to line his own pocket with money from a sinking ship. I would also like to point out that it was not a small debt. You are talking 15 years ago. Our debt back then was considerable comparatively speaking and just as inflation started to rise. Not only that but he left the old South Stand in a state that required sums of money spent on it pretty much every year just to keep it within the safety requirements. A club with an average gate of what 14/15k. A team with few if any stars. And at that time, it wasn''t the cost of relegation that caused it because the sky money wasn''t present in the force it is now. It is infact a small miracle that we didn''t get relegated in the seasons after falling from the premiership - its not like we didn''t struggle, its not like we had a squad capable of anything but surviving if they fought hard reliant on good youngsters coming through like Eadie, O''Neil, Forbes, Llewelyn. Smith and Jones may well have made misstakes, but to me they are not of the same ilk. They have nothing to do with ensuring they have money lining their own pockets, more than anything their misstakes have been due to naievity, trusting people like Doncaster etc and even some managers Roeder and Grant. Thankfully they found Big Mac and inturn he has found Lambert. In these times when mega ritch owners are only interested in bargain premiership teams. Sure they have made misstakes but they have not hidden from them, pretended that they didnt happen and carry on regardless. And for me that is the difference. Not the success or successes of their reigns but how they have delt with the lows - because like it or lump it everyone makes misstakes and it''s how people deal with their misstakes that shows how humble and honest they are. To this day Chase says he would still have done nothing different - to me that says it all.[/quote]

    I was going to add my opinion to this debate, but there is no point now because you (Chicken) have just said it all.  Spot on.

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    [quote user="Good Touch For A Big Man"]Three year deal at Preston. No disrespect to Preston who are a solid championship team but I think he was holding out for one of the big hitters in the division to snap him up and it hasn''t happened. For me his decision not to renew his contract has seriously backfired on him.[/quote]

    I think so too and I think it serves him right.  I think the reported Burnley interest from last year stayed in his head, but sadly not in Burnley''s. 

    However, could this be an omen?

    The story so far: 

    Russell leaves Norwich for Stoke = Norwich win promotion.

    Russell leaves Stoke for Norwich = Stoke win promotion.

    Russell leaves Norwich for Preston = ?????????????????!

    Don''t they say things come in three''s.  

     

  17. Posted

    [quote user="ucl-canary"]

    NO

    Vuvuzelas have ruined the atmosphere at the world cup, apart from England games their annoying monotone ruined any atmosphere, take last nights game for example.

    We at carrow road, in 2 stands at least are loud enough without needing a drum, horn or flippin vuvuzela!

    If anyone brings one i would expect alot of abuse and i imagine they will be banned.

    [/quote]

    100% right on every count UCL. 

    And what was the point in adding extra seats when these things will have the same effect as an eggy fart in a phone box.  Attendances will drop!

  18. Posted

    [quote user="GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary"]

     That is always the danger, up until last summer against Wigan we seemed to take a hiding from Premiership clubs pretty every pre-season. I always remember playing Arsenal in what was Arsene Wenger''s first pre-season and getting humiliated 6-2 , including being 4-0 after 20 mins to an Ian Wright hattrick. I think this contributed to a poor start to the season and it took weeks to recover from that, it''s almost as if 4 weeks of pre-season prepaation goes up in smoke, I often wonder whether it''s really worth playing Premiership sides for this reason?!

    [/quote]

    Yes it can have a detremental effect, but I suppose it''s better to be beaten by a Premier League team than one from the Championship or lower.

  19. Posted

    I know nothing about this guy, but how many of us knew anything about Forster until he came to Carrow Road?

    I will however be pretty pi##ed off if Newcastle now loan FF out to one of our rivals. It did seem that Newcastle wanted to keep him on their books, but if FF has said he doesn''t want to sit the season out there, maybe they''ve decided to sell and we couldn''t meet the price. Although a difficult pill to swallow, I would rather that be the case than the loan.

  20. Posted

    Well said Wiz, I agree entirely. I for one feel she and MWJ took a lot of blame, but in fairness their mistakes were made with the best of intentions. The reality I believe is that whilst they had just enough money to support the club, they didn''t have the right people installed to run it. Now they do.

    And regarding your less than fully developed love for Delia; don''t worry, we all start off with a semi!

  22. Posted

    One of the most sensible, well constructed posts I have read on this board. Sadly, as a result I think I''ve just suffered a reality check and am not so confident of a top 2 finish as I was before I read it. Notwithstanding, I take your point regarding the too-much-too-soon theory and agree, but we must also remember that even if we came straight down we would, over a four year period be somewhere in the region of £90m better off. That injection of money enables team strenthening, debt clearance and ground capacity increase. So, although I agree with your prediction if we were to achieve promotion, I would take it for the reasons I have just mentioned.

  23. Posted

    There probably are more additions to the squad to come, but based on what we have right now, how many of you are feeling more positive about the forthcoming season than ever before? I know we have nearly always looked at the next season and felt renewed optimism and usually only to be sadly disappointed, but I for one just feel all the pieces of the jigsaw are now in place. I remember when we had our best season in the Premiership under Mike Walker, but before the season started there wasn''t that strong feeling something as special as that was going to happen.

    On a scale of 1 to 10 (1) Bottom three and (10) Top two, what do you feel?

    I''m going for a 9.5.

  24. Posted

    In my opinion this is the most annoying monotone, socially unacceptable din that has thoroughly ruined the World Cup. They can only possibly appeal to children and primates. If they are not banned from ALL british grounds, wathching football on the TV will be as miserable as this wretched World Cup has been.
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