SeattleCanary

[quote user="CDMullins"]Come on mate, what do expect? Changes were made at the break, we absolutly dominated the second half, an unfit Snoddy was out there, Howson worked his balls off, All our subs were made with 20 minutes left. Some times you have to accept its just not your day, but it certainally wernt through the lack of trying The boys from Spurs were awesome, as was Curtis Davies. Judge us when we have a full team available[/quote]Ok. I''ll happily reserve judgement. But didn''t we have a fully fit team in those games last season that I mentioned where there were no shots. Dismal draws against Newcastle, and Reading away sit in the mind too.I will wait though, and either hold my hands up and join your view that it was an off day, despite no rallying in extra time. Even the commentators mentioned it, which was sad. If I''m wrong, I''ll maybe re-raise these points if the trend continues. I''m happy to admit when I''m wrong, I just feel strongly enough that I am not, and have seen enough now to make me feel that this is the way we intend to go about our style now. It''s just sad is all.

[quote user="CDMullins"]We have last years player of the season, captain and rock out. Olsson is unfit, who I am sure will become our first choice left back. Both first choice wingers from last season are unfit and injured. Fer was suspended Hooper out No team could afford to be without all these players. All them coupled with a relativly new side trying to gel, who havn''t really done so during pre-season and square pegs in round holes, means it may take abit of time until we start start performing as we all want them too.[/quote]Again agree. No one is disputing that. But does this suddenly make the rest of the players useless? Unable to play a game of football? I just felt yesterday we were crying out for some ideas, some tactics. This is nothing to do with missing players. As we still fielded a team, most of which will still start a game Howson, Hoolahan, Snodgrass, RVW, Johnson going forwards but looked without a plan.Pilks, Hooper, will offer better quality going forwards, but still even lower quality would have been acceptable, especially against 10 men for a whole game. But where was any quality? Even lower quality? I saw nothing tried....

[quote user="Desert Fox"]If Everton home and some of the stats associated with this game (see link) constitue playing well AT HOME, I am certainly not looking forward to when we play badly.http://epl.squawka.com/norwich-city-vs-everton/17-08-2013/english-barclays-premier-league/matches[/quote] Exactly! Thank you! RVW wasn''t praised highly enough for making a goal out of something that was barely a half chance! We need more ways to get through to the final 3rd. Football is about trying to score goals, and after 2 games we already have a negative goal difference, and its through lack of applied effort.

[quote user="CDMullins"]But half of our strength in depth have been injury/unfit/suspended for the first 2 games![/quote] Yeah I understand. And of course these are great players we are/were missing but, surely if you can field 11 players and a full bench of senior subs, after a summer clear out of deadwood. Then these are all pro footballers who are wanted at the club and can do a job, as they are professionals. Is there genuinely an excuse to not at least perform to a standard? There were some games last season I think one was away at Stoke and we didn''t even have a shot at goal.... So Everton was a 100% on the shots on for goals scored. That won''t happen every week, and we need to make more than 2 chances in 2 games for our expensive CF. One AM shouldn''t be so vital as you all are saying, as what is plan B or C if he were to get injured?

[quote user="nutty nigel"]But yesterday''s game was only the second game of the season. We played well the previous Saturday drawing 2-2 with Everton. The final two games of last season were both wins. So buddy, if that''s the straw that broke the camel''s back I reckon the poor old beast was on his last legs anyway[;)] [/quote] Do you think we played well against Everton? Service was dire and mustered 2 shots on target out of 4 total shots. Is that ok with you? We got away with it last week, this week we didn''t. God knows what''ll happen if we turn up and do the same next week, injured players or not, thats no excuse for bad tactics especially as we pride ourselves with strength in depth now.

[quote user="Sons of Boadicea"]Cheers Seattle Canary, I was genuinely interested in what you did for a living. I apologise if you felt I was picking on you. Whilst I understand that football is all about opinions, it never ceases to amaze me how just one defeat results in the plethora of posts slagging of Hughton (not aimed at you). As an "old boy" I think social media and football manager sims have an awful ot to answer for......[/quote] Its all that and a lot more too. The way we all talk on here sometimes, you really can''t tell what kind of tone is made with some statements by people. A lot gets lost in written text. I didn''t think you were taking a jibe or anything, no harm done :) I want us to succeed as much as anyone, its just a coincidence that as yesterday was the final straw for me, and I posted about it. So did many others too. Whether they were just moaning because we lost you and I may never know. For me it wasn''t the loss, it was the manner of the loss, and the consistent similar performances that preceded yesterdays game. The straw that broke the Camel''s back and all that jazz.

[quote user="PortlandCanary"][quote user="SeattleCanary"][quote user="PortlandCanary"][quote user="SeattleCanary"][quote user="PortlandCanary"]Seattle... On a side note, are you going to watch Timbers v Sounders tonight? Should be a jolly fun game.[/quote] I really wanted to go but I have work. I think I may try and go to the Chivas game in 2 weeks or else I''m definitely going to the NY Red Bulls game. Do you attend many Timbers games?[/quote] I''ve been to a few. I''ve tried to get into MLS, but it can be so tedious. I did go when NCFC was here though.[/quote] Awesome! Would love to have gone but it really is like travelling across a few countries here. Shame we don''t live closer together, as its always nice to meet a fellow Canary all the way over here.[/quote] We go to Seattle a lot to visit family up there. Next time I''m up during a game, maybe we can meet at a pub and watch. Would be fun.[/quote] Sounds great! I''m in :)

[quote user="Sons of Boadicea"]What do you do for a living then Seattle?. On a different note, do you think the Ruddy tweet could be interpreted in more than one way and is it fair to say that if you were somebody that was less than happy with CH, you could interpret that tweet in such away to justify such an opinion. Do you think that it is justified to talk about sacking the manager after just two games?. Do you think those posters that moan on about playing one striker really understand the modern game? Not being somebody who bothers with Twitter, I just read the Ruddy tweet as posted as a footballer commenting on another game, rather than anything more than that, I was not at the game on Saturday, I was chilling with a beer, in my La Z Boy, watching Final Score, the BBC guy covering our match seemed to suggest that we were throwing everything at Hull right to the end, but that they held out, which would not tie in with the suggestion that Ruddy was criticising CH for not attacking Hull. i was unhappy with the defeat aginst Hull, but i think it is far to early about talking about anything at the moment, see where we are after say ten games and that will be a far better yardstick with which to judge which way we are headed. The old, one up front chestnut, most teams adopt this approach, where I think we fall short is that we do not support the lone striker adequately and consequently he gets isolated, I am hopeful that this is something that will be addressed.... [/quote] SOB I am a professional musician in a professional band. I will not name drop, as I do not want my personal life brought up or put under the microscope. But I am sponsored and working in the US right now, as I have been touring the US nationally this year covering 42 of the 50 states. Next I will say yesterday was a bad day. I was angry and frustrated. I watched the whole game online, waking up at 6:30am to do so being 8 hours behind the UK. I do not want Hughton out, I want change in the playing style whatever it takes. If he gets a clue, great. I like him. If not I''d rather someone else ala Poyet, Laudrup style, I do not know exactly. But I''m not supposed to as it isn''t my job to recruit a new manager, its the boards. Plus I do not want him to have to make way, I want him to inject some positivity into us. If he doesn''t by the 10 game mark or so then yes, by all means some fresh ideas please! I was simply referring to Holts statement and asking if anyone thought that it might come out in the future when a player leaves, if they may say something about Hughton. Even Damien Francis only recently said some things in reference to Worthy and something that happened 8 years ago. Thats all I meant, I wasn''t reading anything into the Ruddy tweet issue. Something completely separate.

[quote user="PortlandCanary"]I''m not in the Hughton Out camp, but I''d gladly swap for Laudrup. I think he''s one of the best.[/quote] Yeah its hard to argue he isn''t a good manager, when they could have slumped when Rodgers left. Instead they have some silverware in the cabinet, and have performed very well in Europe thus far! Add to that the fact they play good football and have one or two players (Michu on his day, and Bony) that are better than what we have! Fair play to them keeping their better players so far (Michu, Dyer, Williams) and their progress on track!

[quote user="PortlandCanary"][quote user="SeattleCanary"][quote user="PortlandCanary"]Seattle... On a side note, are you going to watch Timbers v Sounders tonight? Should be a jolly fun game.[/quote] I really wanted to go but I have work. I think I may try and go to the Chivas game in 2 weeks or else I''m definitely going to the NY Red Bulls game. Do you attend many Timbers games?[/quote] I''ve been to a few. I''ve tried to get into MLS, but it can be so tedious. I did go when NCFC was here though.[/quote] Awesome! Would love to have gone but it really is like travelling across a few countries here. Shame we don''t live closer together, as its always nice to meet a fellow Canary all the way over here.

[quote user="PortlandCanary"]Seattle... On a side note, are you going to watch Timbers v Sounders tonight? Should be a jolly fun game.[/quote] I really wanted to go but I have work. I think I may try and go to the Chivas game in 2 weeks or else I''m definitely going to the NY Red Bulls game. Do you attend many Timbers games?

[quote user="morty"]Dick.[/quote] There we are, thats the integrity I knew you had about you! Who''s a clever boy! :P

[quote user="Sons of Boadicea"]Right, travelling gives you amnesia, but a least you remember now, sadly the Clarence is on the list of pubs that I frequented that no longer exists. I have never met Morty, but aim to put that right before the Southampton game, but i am willing to bet he has travelled a lot more than you, me on the other hand, never been further North or West than KL, further South than Diss and the furtherest East I have been is 25 yards off Sea Palling beach. I shall now try to elevate myself to your well travelled lofty heights of football discussion and say that I believe you are reading far to much into the Ruddy tweet and two games into the season is a bit early to be talking about sacking Chris Hughton. Whilst the display against Hull was clearly not good enough, the reaction from some posters is way over the top.....Keep Calm and Support Norwich, oh and Home Rule for Norfolk (Blass Yis bor), afraid to say if the Norfolk Nationalist Party ever achieves its aim of self determination for the people of norfolk, you are well and truly barred Seattle Canary..... [/quote] I''d like to take that travelling bet! My job is solely travelling, and more travelling. In fact I''m in a different place/city/state/country every single day for months on end. My passport is a novel. If he also does that then I''d be extremely surprised, but yet humbled and apologise again.

[quote user="morty"][quote user="SeattleCanary"][quote user="lake district canary"]@ Seattle. I''d quit while you''re ahead. You are becoming Morty and co''s entertainment for the evening. For the record, he does a lot of travelling in his work (he''s told us an many occasions). So you are on a hiding to nothing................ [/quote] LDC fair enough. It was a guess anyway! It''s a shame isn''t it how a lot on here is nothing to do with football and more about personal jibes and point scoring? I just don''t take too kindly to tools, i prefer a good old fashioned football debate is all.[/quote]Ah right, so you were trying yourself to score petty points (actually completely wrongly) yet you say you only want football debate?Shove your hypocrisy mate.[/quote] Yes i did. But I did not start with that intent. Your nicely worded posts *cough,cough* and toolage behaviour backed me into a corner. I therefore apologise, I do not expect the same in return. That''s not to say you aren''t capable of it, just that I do not expect it. Back to football debates for me as I thats why I am here, and I''m sure you are too.

[quote user="E.L.F."]FFS, are you taking the p1ss, WTF would you know about being cultured? The best thing about you is that you''re somewhere else.[/quote] This does not concern you. I know nothing about you, and you certainly know nothing of me, my achievements, and my background. So do not make it your job to play side kick.

[quote user="lake district canary"]@ Seattle. I''d quit while you''re ahead. You are becoming Morty and co''s entertainment for the evening. For the record, he does a lot of travelling in his work (he''s told us an many occasions). So you are on a hiding to nothing................ [/quote] LDC fair enough. It was a guess anyway! It''s a shame isn''t it how a lot on here is nothing to do with football and more about personal jibes and point scoring? I just don''t take too kindly to tools, i prefer a good old fashioned football debate is all.

[quote user="QHcanary"]I did say it was a hypothetical question. It wasn''t a comment on our current style of play. It seemed like you were advocating gung ho football at any cost. Just wanted to ascertain if that was what you actually meant. FWIW I do think we''re a bit too conservative at the moment. Not hugely so. I don''t think massive changes are needed, but we need to take the shackles off to some extent. I do believe that Chris Hughton is capable of getting us to play like that.[/quote] I agree. The Man City game and West Brom games we saw that. Whether they were on the beach or not only they truely know. One things for sure we played football those 2 games. It''s all I want to see and all you can ask. If the opposition is better, at least we as you say, "took the shackles off a bit". No headless gung ho for me though!

[quote user="nutty nigel"]I don''t think Morty would handle all that travelling..... [/quote] Judging the range of his vocabulary he could do with a bit of culture. Maybe we should put a pot together and raise some funds for the poor guy to take a trip!

[quote user="Sons of Boadicea"]SeattleCanary, how long where you a ST holder, 12 years?, and you forgot the name of the pub you used to frequent?, I am 51 and it does sometimes take me a while to remember the names of Norwich pubs that I frequented when I was a lad, there were so many and most of them have gone, but to forget the name of just one pub you were a regular is sacry, suggest you take a trip to the Seattle equivalent of the James Pageant, you might want to pop into the Kings Elbow on the way......[/quote] I said sometimes. It was the Clarence Harbour, and seeing as we went to different pubs and sometimes only into Strikers, I think its forgivable. I lived in the same house from birth to 18 years old, but after living in Spain for 5 years, and Ireland for 2 following that and now the USA I think it is easier for those of you who have never left home. You try living abroad in multiple countries for years and see how well you remember the lesser things!

[quote user="morty"][quote user="Sons of Boadicea"]I smell Binner Morty, where on earth is the "James Pageant", is it near the "James Paget", close enough but no cigar.....[/quote]Good call SOB, well spotted[Y][/quote] sad people you are. i''ll just sit here and laugh ;) I''ll enjoy watching your lower standard of discourse with great pleasure Morty

[quote user="Warren Hill"]I believe they call that a "Home Run" ;-)[/quote] If only there was a Facebook style "like" button WH! :)

[quote user="Sons of Boadicea"]I smell Binner Morty, where on earth is the "James Pageant", is it near the "James Paget", close enough but no cigar.....[/quote] Ah a big fail on my part..... Hangs head in shame. I even forget the name of the pub I used to go to before games :/

[quote user="morty"][quote user="SeattleCanary"][quote user="morty"]No.You still appear to be a whining bell end. [/quote] Haha! Nice one! I''ll carry on having actual football discussions with other posters. Whilst from this point on ignoring your 5 year retorts, which I''m sure the last of which would have been written using a red crayon if it were on a piece of paper. Excuse me, whilst I wipe you from my shoe.[/quote]Frankly mate all I am seeing is whining.Let me tell you something, I can see Carrow road from my flat window, I choose to live here.Frankly, moving to another country, I seriously doubt your commitment to your football team.Go watch rounders, or whatever it is that the septic tanks watch.[/quote] First off, I''m not your mate. I don''t associate with foul mouthed chavs! Secondly believe it or not supporting my football team doesnt mean basing my living situation around them. People like you clearly don''t get out much and see there is a whole world out there. I know lots of people like that too scraed to venture out. Thirdly granted the MLS isn''t great, and I am born and bred NCFC but I saw Obafemi Martins and Clint Dempsey in a club outside the City the other day, it can''t be too bad if they''re here ;)

[quote user="E.L.F."]At least you ended up in the right country with a gob like that.[/quote] Who might you be referring to?

[quote user="morty"]No.You still appear to be a whining bell end. [/quote] Haha! Nice one! I''ll carry on having actual football discussions with other posters. Whilst from this point on ignoring your 5 year retorts, which I''m sure the last of which would have been written using a red crayon if it were on a piece of paper. Excuse me, whilst I wipe you from my shoe.