NMTD
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I too think the "We f''in love Grant Holt" is very low rent. How about this inspired by King''s of Leon Your Sex is on Fire....
Woah!, Grant Holt is on fire
Woah!, and Wes is the supplier
Giving us the goals we desire
Woah!, Grant Holt is on fire
Woah!, and Wes is the supplier
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Not politically correct but all the better for it in my opinion...
Norwich away at Tottenham (League Cup Qtr Final I think) in the era of inflateables....
From the Norwich fans to the then Spurs Norwegian keeper...
"Eric Thorsvedt, Eric Thorsvedt, What''s is like to club a seal, what''s it like to club a seal!"
Followed by a inflateable killer whale being smashed up by giant hammers right behind his goal, followed by mass Ark! Ark! Ark! Ark! clapping hands outstretched "Easy! Easy!" style
I think we lost 2-1 to a Lineker winner.
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Of course its nothing to do with removing anti Delia comment from the eyes of the wider Norfolk EDP buying community is it?
How many of those people visit the Pinkun Site? Not many I reckon.
Are we still going to be told that Archant representation on board at NCFC has had no influence here?
My view - same as Victor Meldrew "I don''t believe it!"
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For my two seats in the Snakepit there has been a 100% rebate claim submitted along with a letter explaining why.
Overall I think it will break down like this - Snakepit and Barclay - 50 - 75% will claim, River End 50%, City and South Stand 30 - 50% - TOTAL approx 40%
As to what I''ll spend it on my £100 will probably go on increased fuel costs for my 200 mile round trip journey to home matches.
I find it UNBELIEVABLE that people think that with 18,000 ST holders makes us somehow "worse off" than most of the clubs in the division in terms of the income base of the club from fans.
The mess is of the boards making - not ours.
There will be life after they have gone - however messy it gets. Change at the top, however it comes about ,and whatever the ramifications is the only thing that will get us there.
I am totally prepared to face that.
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[quote user="Bobert"]...Delia does what you ask of her.You want rid if Worthington? Well out he goes. You want rid of Peter the Poiner? Well out he goes. You want rid of Glen Roeder? Well out he goes? You want rid of Neil Doncaster? Well out he goes. You want rid of Roger Munby? Well out he goes.....
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Only one more wish to go....
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[quote user="Camuldonum"][quote user="NMTD"][quote user="Camuldonum"][quote user="Camuldonum"]The Criterion Cafe is now Moss Bros in White Lion Street which, in terms of football financing, pretty much says it all I think.
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PS: You have, of course, factored in the debt of around about £22m which would be repayable on a change of ownership haven''t you?
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PS. You obviously didn''t read my post properly - I said it would only work in the advent of administration - and everyone''s "investment" is safe until that happens.
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FFS dear. Adminstrators want the money UP FRONT, cash in hand reddies, NOT whatever a month. No cheques, Banker''s Draft or cash. The consortium attempting to buy Southampton have put up £500,000 on the table (non refundable either way) so that is half a million just to carry on talking.
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I suggested in my original post that readers study how myfootballclub.co.uk worked - I still don''t think you have done that, and I think you are assuming that I am saying that we could takeover the club right now at this point in time - I have not said this at all.
myfootballclub.co.uk raised their money WORLDWIDE over a period of time before they could make any bid - I''m not so thick as as to think we could buy the club on the never, never.
If the club was sold or went into administration before the scheme had enough hard cash we wouldn''t be in the game - and the subscribers get their money back - no one loses.
If however, it was 1 year plus before the opportunity arose to buy the club via administration, the scheme would have raised considerable sums. With £22M debt at point of administration and a 5p in the pound settlement (remember Ipswich) plus the nominal value of the shares, the purchase price of the club could be a lot less than everyone thinks. Existing shareholders and creditors lose out big time. The administrators job is to get the best price for the creditors - if thats 5p in the pound - they would take it.
Why are you being so defensive against the idea? Do you happen to think that it might just work....
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[quote user="Camuldonum"][quote user="Camuldonum"]The Criterion Cafe is now Moss Bros in White Lion Street which, in terms of football financing, pretty much says it all I think.
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PS: You have, of course, factored in the debt of around about £22m which would be repayable on a change of ownership haven''t you?
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PS. You obviously didn''t read my post properly - I said it would only work in the advent of administration - and everyone''s "investment" is safe until that happens.
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Norwich City F.C. was formed following a meeting at the Criterion Cafe in Norwich on 17 June 1902 by a group of friends led by two former Norwich CEYMS players, Robert Webster and Joseph Cowper.
With our club, now on its knee’s, in desperate need of new ownership, I feel that the time is right for a new Criterion Café moment in the history of our club.
People say there are no investors out there? There maybe no big investors – and indeed if we got one we may just end up in the same position as we are now – with no real say over the running of the club. But how about if we could get 50,000 small investors to buy the club?
Couldn’t be done I hear you say? Impossible dream?
Well, I say different….
In 2007, MyFootballClub.co.uk bought Ebsfleet Utd for £600,000 whilst charging an annual subscription of £35 per subscriber using a company My Football Club Society Ltd incorporated as an Industrial and Provident Society as the vehicle. Subscribers come from over 80 countries. Do the maths – that means nearly 20,000 people.
Barcelona, one of the most successful clubs in history, is owned by 150,000 members via a Member-Owned Social Club
The current Supporters Trust, the Kitty, and individuals buying existing shares are really only perpetuating the current structure of the club, and don’t have the appeal of a full takeover. Nothing will change as the supporters are and will stay still a very minority voice in terms of ownership under these schemes.
Using the MyFootballClub.co.uk fund raising model combined with the management ethos of a Member-Owned Social Club, with a sole aim of taking over a named football club would generate huge worldwide coverage. To raise the required funds to buy Norwich City the scheme would need to operate at a much higher subscription rate than £35 that funded the purchase of Ebsfleet, but I think it could be achieved. Real fans now getting on average £75 rebate on their season tickets would go for a higher premium if they really had part ownership and control, and this would be supplemented by the worldwide community who would want to be part of a phenomenon. To make it viable I think that we’d have to look at a year 1 subscription rate of £30 / month and £10 / month afterwards.
In brief, the society acts as a kind of savings club, with all funds securely invested under the watchful eye of the FSA with the sole purpose of purchasing Norwich City FC. If that does not occur in a given period – all capital is returned, so there is no risk to the ‘investor’ during the fund building period.
Decisions are made by the subscriber base – the fans have real control.
However, this is not a proposal without controversy. It would be very much a business transaction, and the optimum time to buy would not be now. It would most certainly be when and if the club enters administration and all that would mean for the current majority and other shareholders, and current creditors of the club.
I would encourage you to read about how MyFootballClub.co.uk works, find out a bit of history on FC. Barcelona and then judge if you think this is a daft idea or if it could work.
I would be interested in your opinions.
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I''d tell you how the club could have saved some money over the rebate.MAKE IT AUTOMATIC!It was a promise, part of the contract, simple as that.When you have someone sell you a service, and you are unhappy with that service, do you pay that provider more money to try and put it right or do you expect them to put it right for free?If you don''t take this approach I''d like to sell you my crappy old car for £5000 and when it breaks down don''t come running to me - you can just p*ss off.WAKE UP!People are fed up to the back teeth of the way our club is being run and the ONLY way that we''ll stop arguing is for D & MWJ to go. -
Spartan - couldn''t agree with you more. Again - all due respect to NICSA and its great what they are now doing and I wouldn''t just cast them aside as there are alot of committed fans in there, but as a figurehead RB would be superb.Combine this with my idea for funding from the http://www.pinkun.com/cs/forums/1692149/ShowPost.aspx thread - plenty of supporters out there taking a refund I''m sure would support this - any you''d have a supporters club with a great voice and some financial clout to campaign effectively.Count me in. -
[quote user="blahblahblah"]... others think that the season ticket price is too low[/quote]Errr - I think not! I''ve never heard anyone saying to me that they''d like to pay more. Are you an MP?In terms of elected fans, I agree the issue that we should have an elected SCG, whith a max 2 year term, but it would be simple for the club to organise a couple of pages in the programme / official web site in order to conduct a vote.To be honest what I''d like to see is a supporters group have a membership scheme, that costs say £25 year. With even only a 1000 members - thats £25k to play with. With revenue of that level the supporters group can be much more effective as they can afford to hire venues and produce material. Set this up as a registered charity and the government would even throw in an extra 20%. Donations from surplus funds can then be allocated as the group dictates. -
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Delia''s words
She said: “It has been awful and I am looking forward to having three months of Sunday morning waking up and not thinking ''Oh my God, we lost again''. We are going to have a little breathing space now but it has been very painful, they have been very long journeys home and when we get home we save up all our TV things that we like, get in, switch on and try to forget it.”
That''s it Delia - you bury your head in the sand.
Breathing space indeed! If you are not upto the job right at the most important time just go and let someone who is.
If we carry on like this we will be "Norwich United" - Is that what you aspire too Delia?
You are stumbling from one disaster to another.
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[quote user="Nuff Said"]A simple question: which is more important to you:
a. Norwich City finding success again, regaining their Championship status and hopefully challenging for promotion to the Premier League, or;
b. Delia and MWJ stepping down?
In my opinion - and this is just my opinion - if the success of the club is less important to you than a personal grudge, then your claim to be a supporter is weakened. If you want to protest against the board, surely you can find another way other than hitting the club''s income, which is just going to worsen our performance on the pitch.
BTW, although I disagree with those who want boycotts, I respect your right to hold that opinion. Any chance of respecting mine, and not responding with "sheep", "Delia lover" etc?
[/quote]Nuff - I don''t do that, everyone is entitled to their opinion.
As to your point above, I don''t think that there''s a chance of a) for many years unless b) has happened. For b) to happen, I think we will go via c), d) and e). Those being c) a huge amount of supporter infighting (ongoing), d) a personalised campaign against D & MWJ ("Chase Out" all over again), e) Administration.
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[quote user="Grif"][quote user="NMTD"]Please, please, please boycott these games.
They''ll be cheap - but all they are are revenue generators.
Just don''t go.
I''m so struggling to think what to say or do at the moment - what a farce of a club we have.
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What a masterplan, this is exactly what the club needs right now. Every man, woman and child should get behind this idea. Amazing, constructive, positive action that will benefit the club no end. Oh yeh, what a naff idea.
Call yourself a fan? Get behind the team and the manager for christ''s sake.
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Call myself a fan? Shows how little you know about me. 38 years since I started watching the team I love, a 200 mile round trip to home games (as a ST holder) for the last 24 years should tell you something.
I will never desert this club - it is part of me.
I will however, speak my mind when the club is quite obviously going down completely the wrong road.
Can''t you see that whatever the outcome, quite simply Delia and MWJ have to go. They are destroying our club with ineptitude. Gunn is not the man.
Lance the boils, it will hurt - a lot - but we''ll be better off in the long run.
I for one am not scared about this club going lower if that is what its going to take. Administration - 10 point deduction - get it over and done with. What scares me is that those in charge of the club have not a flying idea of what to do to get this club back on its feet.
It needs a sea change, not just the scapegoating of ND. For goodness sake - it transpires RM is still on the board - can you not see we are being taken for mugs?
If this continues, the whole "Chase Out" saga is going to seem like a walk in the park.
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Please, please, please boycott these games.
They''ll be cheap - but all they are are revenue generators.
Just don''t go.
I''m so struggling to think what to say or do at the moment - what a farce of a club we have.
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I''m definately having mine back.
Has anyone seen details yet?
It''s been said to me that only adults are eligible to a rebate. All junior tickets will not get a rebate. Does anyone know if this is true?
If it is true, how unfair is that!
Did anyone keep their season ticket renewal pack? I''m sure the terms were stated in there.
If they change the rules after putting something in print, it will be another PR disaster.
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[quote user="Yellow Rider"]...If she had been subject to the loud and personal criticism that Chase received she would have fled town years ago.
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It''s finally starting....
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You are so right. The manager is one question, but the board and ownership of the club are far far more important at the present time.
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BUMP again - just doing my duty! -
That''s not woolly, that''s positively a whole flock....
Maybe it''s because...
- You are not elected
- You are appointed by the club
- You can stay on the SCG indefinately
- You have to resign, there is no mechanism to be voted off the SCG
- The turnover of members is zero
- The links between SCG and NCISA are very close, and hence neither are actually ''independent'' at all.
If I''m wrong - maybe you or someone else on the SCG would like to actually answer the questions.
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Can I ask some questions that I think alot of people would like to know the answers to. Those answers may or may not indicate to many people how independent you are?
Regarding the SCG
- Are you elected in any way?
- If not, who appointed you?
- How long can someone stay on the SCG?
- How is someone voted off the SCG?
- How many people are on the SCG and what percentage turnover is there - ie in a given year how many people leave and how many new members are appointed?
- How many people on the SCG are also committe members of NCISA?
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Of course.
Can I just answer with this though, at this time in the evening...
The whole group is undergoing review as to composition and what is appropriate for discussion.
If I seem ''woolly'' in answers it''s because I''m just one person, I''m not speaking for the whole group by any means and don''t want to be seen as such. My personal views are just that, personal.
I have no idea how many members of the SCG are NCISA members. I do have an issue with holding a joint NCISA/SCG meeting because as I''ve said earlier I don''t feel the SCG is a political group and I don''t know what hat Mr Tilson (for one) will wear during such a meeting.
For anything else there are more details (and minutes etc) on the official club homepage under the ''Fans'' tab.
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Can I ask some questions that I think alot of people would like to know the answers to. Those answers may or may not indicate to many people how independent you are?
Regarding the SCG
- Are you elected in any way?
- If not, who appointed you?
- How long can someone stay on the SCG?
- How is someone voted off the SCG?
- How many people are on the SCG and what percentage turnover is there - ie in a given year how many people leave and how many new members are appointed?
- How many people on the SCG are also committe members of NCISA?
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I said it already.... http://www.pinkun.com/cs/forums/1667661/ShowPost.aspx
Time to start dishing out some P45''s
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Get in!
What a result.