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[quote user="Arthur Whittle"][quote user="shortfatb"][quote user="Arthur Whittle"][quote user="Rudolph Hucker"]To begin with I will declare that I like Delia Smith. I have met her on occasions and despite her success she is as ordinary as the majority of us. She has been a supporter of Norwich City long before she and her husband took up controlling influence and if she has a fault it appears to be to let her heart rule her head on occasions.
Delia has kept her head down for a long time now. We have more up front executive members at the Club and a manager who isn''t exactly a shrinking violet.
So why oh why do the cowards and bullies on this board continue to insult and abuse this woman as if she were deliberately setting out to inflame them?
She cannot help not being a mega-rich foreign investor with a dubious background and with what she is good at she has used to increase non-football earnings at the Club.
Delia Smith is not a saint nor is she a sinner. She is criticised for her celebrity (although she does have a talent) and vilified for not being some sort of financial demi-god.
Get over it and concentrate on the football will you. Or are some of you so sad and lacking you need to have a ''red top'' style go at someone well known in order to boost your own self esteem.
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Complete drivel. This is a forum son for people to express there feelings. If you dont like it go to suffolk.
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Arthur, you have some gall. You came on here as some sort of self proclaimed leader and catalyst for change from your pub in St Stephens, bottled it, fell ill, went on holiday or whatever and now act as if your dogmatic, reactionary stance is now the accepted position of the majority of this board and that you are the guardian of it. The truth is, of course, that your opinion, outside of your own head, counts no more than anyone else''s on here and many of us think you are a pompous, self important dullard. Go to Suffolk yourself.
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Glad to see you have formed an opinion of me based on a few words on an internet chatroom. Think you need to get out more son.
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On what else should I base my opinion? You have no idea how often I get out and in no circumstances would my idea of getting out be spending time in your pub in St Stephens. Taxi to Suffolk for Arthur!
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[quote user="Arthur Whittle"][quote user="Rudolph Hucker"]To begin with I will declare that I like Delia Smith. I have met her on occasions and despite her success she is as ordinary as the majority of us. She has been a supporter of Norwich City long before she and her husband took up controlling influence and if she has a fault it appears to be to let her heart rule her head on occasions.
Delia has kept her head down for a long time now. We have more up front executive members at the Club and a manager who isn''t exactly a shrinking violet.
So why oh why do the cowards and bullies on this board continue to insult and abuse this woman as if she were deliberately setting out to inflame them?
She cannot help not being a mega-rich foreign investor with a dubious background and with what she is good at she has used to increase non-football earnings at the Club.
Delia Smith is not a saint nor is she a sinner. She is criticised for her celebrity (although she does have a talent) and vilified for not being some sort of financial demi-god.
Get over it and concentrate on the football will you. Or are some of you so sad and lacking you need to have a ''red top'' style go at someone well known in order to boost your own self esteem.
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Complete drivel. This is a forum son for people to express there feelings. If you dont like it go to suffolk.
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Arthur, you have some gall. You came on here as some sort of self proclaimed leader and catalyst for change from your pub in St Stephens, bottled it, fell ill, went on holiday or whatever and now act as if your dogmatic, reactionary stance is now the accepted position of the majority of this board and that you are the guardian of it. The truth is, of course, that your opinion, outside of your own head, counts no more than anyone else''s on here and many of us think you are a pompous, self important dullard. Go to Suffolk yourself.
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[quote user="Cluck "]You''ve got to laugh at the usual geek lines of "you don''t have to go to matches if you don''t want to"..."nobody is forcing you"..."there are plenty who will be happy to have your seat"...etc etc.
Well...we''ll see who''ll be whining by Christmas...when the usual apologists chant will be "It''s only Christmas..and so there''s still a chance of the play-offs"....or even "If we hadn''t had an injured player missing"...or "If Huckerby hadn''t be forced leave".....or "Grant needs at least one full season in charge"...or " Delia has promised big signings next year when the Turners invest another half a million" (in order to con the season ticket money out of the sheep yet again).......
I''m sure you get my drift. Not a ball kicked...not a decent proven signing on the books and somehow we''re better than everyone else. If it wasn''t so sad it would be hilarious.........
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Cluck, you always present your conjecture as fact. You may, sadly, be right and it may not all work out, but other than having a view, you know no more what will happen this season than anybody else. I only have 41 years of supporting them so obviously the miserable curmudgeonly stuff starts in the last 4 years of support if you are anything to go by. Why come on here and spoil everyone''s excited speculation, supporting a team is meant to be a pleasurable pastime not a tired old moan all the time. Perhaps it''s a Norfolk thing, getting pleasure out of being terminally negative.
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[quote user="Arthur Whittle"][quote user="Web Team - Pete"][quote user="ricardo"]I hope the boy does well but it''s funny how people have suddenly forgotten the promise to spend the Etuhu transfer money.
I suppose this lad is likely to cost us similar wages to what we would have been paying Dickson.
Therefore where has the £1.5 million gone.
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Who says there''s not more to come...
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Silly i know but if history has a say it it i wouldnt hold my breath!
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Oh please hold your breath, and perhaps smudge and wayne and ricky and the other couple might copy you on that too. What a blessed relief if all the self promoting dullards were quiet for a bit, or just turned blue and went away for good.
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[quote user="Arthur Whittle"]Who on here still supports the board and if so why?[/quote]
Arthur, I fully support the board. They continue to run the club well in my opinion and I believe that they have the best intentions in moving the club on in the best way. We have signed 6 and 2 key players have left, one expected and one less so. However neither is indispensible and like any other club or business we''ll move on. I am not dazzled by Delia''s smile, celebrity or niceness, I just think she and her husband are quite driven and successful business people and they have good people around them. Things aren''t always amazing at any club but I think we do OK.
You on the other hand turn up on this board as some kind of cross between the Messiah and Arthur Lowe promising insurrection and wearing your tweed jacket at the barricades on Rouen Road with a supposed vision that you were happy to share if one chose to visit you in some pub in St Stephens.
When challenged with real questions about your plans and intentions to make the changes you felt were needed you proved to offer nothing of any substance, I believe fell ill, went on holiday and came back some weeks later as a watered down version of Smudger, possibly the most self deluded indvidual on the planet but at least genuinely annoying, a kind of 1st Wizard without the irony or a Cluck without the beak.
So if we are forced to choose between you, ''I really have plans, honestly, just you wait'', Smudger, ''look Mum I''m on the message board again'' or Cluck, ''we don''t like strangers around here'' or the current board of the club, I''m afraid it would have to be Delia, Donc and Sharon et al.
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David Norris, I know worthy liked him but that doesn''t make him bad. Also David Livermore could do a job and he''s only about 27. -
[quote user="ricardo"][quote user="ricky knight"]The point is when your star player comes out with a rant, something is wrong, do you really believe all fees will be put back into team building, you got more chance of Lord Lucan winning the Grand national on Arkle.[/quote]
Exactly Ricky. Some people can''t seem to see the wood for the trees.
Something is seriously wrong in the camp. Its obvious to some of us that there is no direction or planning. The club are simply reacting to events that are spinning out of control.
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What because we are losing Etuhu? Perhaps a hint of overreaction. Calm down you fevered hordes, all 8 of you.
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That will work. Wouldn''t have got Earnie without the clause probably would have lost Earnie with or without the clause, wouldn''t have got Shrihavka without a clause, wouldn''t have made £1m out of Etuhu without the clause. I don''t think supporters or the board or staff are sitting around watching our best players sold and I don''t believe Etuhu will go and not be replaced.
Football is a business, we are quite a small business in terms of income compared to Premiership teams. I don''t know what Smudger does as a job, not much I wouldn''t have thought, he''s always on here, but he isn''t the CEO of anything bigger than Norwich City I wouldn''t have thought. Yes you can be p*ssed off with things that happen but we are supporters, other people, usually better qualified than us run the club. I can''t see anything going on that demands that we break down the doors in the Jarrold Stand Offices as yet.
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David Livermore or David Norris, anyone fancy either of these as affordable replacements or are they not worthy of licking Dixon''s, occasionally, hardly used boots? -
Potential List of a few at the club in no particular order who seem like they might have a desire to succeed; Grant, Duffy, Turners x 2, Huckerby, Marshall, Dublin, Doherty, Shackell, Hughes, Gilks, Brellier, Spillane, Croft, Cureton and Gunn. This is not particularly about ability just will and and history of a desire to succeed.
Probably also, Drury, Martin and Shrihavka,Otsemobor, Chadwick, Fotheringham, Lappin, I just haven''t heard them say much.
Discuss.
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Calm down and stop getting excited.
Etuhu and Saf leaving is, I believe, less about who is leaving but the fact that the squad is 2 senior players down.
Grant sure as hell didn''t want them to go because he wants at least 2 for every position and he will therefore be determined to replace them if and when they go.
Huckerby''s rant also helps in terms of showing there is a determination and desire to succeed within the club.
If anybody chose to check there have been more negative posts than positive on here about Etuhu and Safri in the last 2 years and I also think Brellier would have been first choice this year anyway, presumably for Safri.
I understand Safri played well against West Brom away and I don''t know where Keano gets his decision to buy from but you have to assume that he knovs about filling the role he used to play, however I would suggest that the betting on Dixon being the Black Cats player of the season or being booted out after not having a 1st team game after October are about the same odds.
There are 50 days left before the window shuts, there''s money and I''m sure every Football Manager fan can come up with a list of midfield prospects. I back the Board and Grant and Duffy to make it right and I believe that they will be determined to prove their detractors (and Dixon and Safri) wrong.
KTFaith/FTSmudgers
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[quote user="Arthur Whittle"][quote user="SPat"][quote user="Salahuddin"]Has it ever occurred to you that we show discontent because WE are the club, without the fans a club is dead, and so we believe we have the right to question the Board, especially after the fan''s bought into the club and are so called shareholders! We only moan because we care, I must admit that recent signings have gone a long way to giving me that pre-season excitement again, but remember that these players must still prove themselves, I remember Hamilton getting in a whole bunch of wonderfully named exotic players, and the excitement didn''t last for long! Peter Grant is inexperienced and it sounds like the Board has given a fair bit of money to play with, only time will tell if it is invested wisely. Maybe we have been watching this Czech player for ages, and I certainly am looking forward to seeing what he is like. But remember that Worthie bought some really good players, and with money he almost certainly would have bought Howard (ironically Earnie''s new strike partner!) We all wanted Worthie out, some of his purchases were really good, but many of them were mediocre at best. We want to see our club being run well, we want to keep in touch with other clubs, which must mean consideration of outside, dare I say foreign investment, and most of all we want to be sure that our club is being run with integrity. Sadly I will miss the beginning of the season as I will be in Saudi, but I will be constantly accessing the Pinkun from my mobile!
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Has it ever occurred to you that the majority of the fans don''t want a protest? This hilarious thread shows how much support there is, a motley bunch numbering about 10, two of which don''t even have the balls to back up their discontent, preferring instead like others, to moan from the safety of their keyboards rather than actually protest. Embarrasingly pathetic. I don''t agree with Smudger but if a protest goes ahead, fair dues to those that stand up for their beliefs. Has moaner extrordinaire Alex signed up yet? ;-)
[/quote]Its entirely your right to view the board as a great leap forward, in my opinion they''ve spent alot of time in making people think this but to mock people who see it in a different light is just plain childish.I have said before if i go to a restaurant and get crap food i would complain or give another go and see what happens if the same thing happens again i would say something or not come back,simple as. Now if its something that is closer to your heart and you inveset alot of time and money into it then im sure im entitled to my view. Do you all stand back and say nothing and keep hoping or do you say your bit hoping it might open a few eyes? I dont let other people decide whats good and whats not, Thats for the sheep.
[/quote]Mainwaring: Oh you''d stick up for him of course wouldn''t you? You both went to public school didn''t you?
Wilson: You know sir, I can''t help feeling that you''ve got a bit of a chip on your shoulder about that.
Mainwaring: There''s no chip on my shoulder. I''ll tell you what is though. Three pips and don''t you forget it. -
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Gazz, I understand that you have nothing against Smudger and Cluck personally, but for me the problem with them is that they make every post or reply personal, either sycophantically supporting their subscribers or personally attacking their doubters. This does not allow debate, merely escalating name calling which could be a good laugh if their sense of humour had room for acknowledging that both sides can be amusing. Unfortunately they imediately resort to their positions of everybody else are ovine, bovine or stupid, Smudge does his I am extremely intelligent and witty and I cannot be disagreed with and Cluck reverts to his git orf my land xenophobia.
They should be huge figures of ridicule, small fish in small ponds with their grandiose schemes of insurrection and protest through non-attendance, but their bullying approach seems to intmidate and unduly influence the board. Perhaps ignoring them may be the answer?
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[quote user="Smudger"][quote user="YankeeCanary"][quote user="Smudger"][quote user="YankeeCanary"][quote user="Smudger"][quote user="gazzathegreat"][quote user="Smudger"][quote user="gazzathegreat"]No, I won''t be there either CA. If we still have the same number of players as we do today at the end of August, I would want to ask questions, but for now I am happy to see how things unfold.
Question for Smudger and co: Who is going to replace the current board and what is your remit for this? Who, how much money?
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I really do not give a monkeys who replaces them but something has to be done!!!
I don''t care if that means getting 500 to 1,000 NCFC fans going and watching Norwich United instead and making the loacl and national press aware of this fact...
Make no mistake THIS BOARD ARE CEATING US ALL and there working lives need to be made hell until they walk away from our club.
We need a fans consortium to show that they are taking us for mugs... we need to start making an attempt to buy these people out and raising the national presses awareness of the situation... Quite frankly Delia will not want the trouble and will quickly find a buyer and walk away!!!
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Okay, so you want them out Smudger. Who have you in mind, it''s no good saying anyone! That fact alone is going to turn more people against your cause. You have to have some solutions in mind (personnel and an action plan).
The protest and alternative match watching Norwich United is fair enough, but this is hardly stuff of Wimbeldon proportions is it, nor even the takeover of Man U (although I would have thought you would have supported the new regime there and not taken yourself off to "support" a grass roots club).
What you want if I have read your posts correctly is someone with more ambition and accountability. Have you any shares in the club? Any money yourself or have you thought of finding some backers? Seriously anyone mounting a challenge on Delia and co needs to do this.
Getting the national press interested is going to be difficult as they are at present unaware of any unrest, or maybe I am wrong? A fans'' consortium is a good start, how many people can you count on realisitically to join this and have any of them any serious money to buy themselves onto the board.
I doubt Delia will be worried about any protests unless they are season long and attract a lot of adverse publicity. This is only likely if our season is of such dire fare to top the past two seasons. Do you really want the club to suffer just to satisfy your own ends?
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This season will be at least as bad as the past two... and it is only the blind who cannot see that... even then you lot will still sit in defence of this board!!!
As for your other comments they are just laughable...
I am prepared for a season long campaign protesting at every home match.... are the board prepared for that fight???
No I thought not!!!!
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I''m prepared to wager you RIGHT NOW Smudger a straight one thousand pound bet ( the money to be transferred by both of us right away to a reputable legal entity in escrow...perhaps Cambridge Canary will offer to volunteer for this service ) that Norwich City will achieve a higher league standing at the end of 2007-08 than they did at the end of last season. What about it Smudger....put up or shut up.
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What maybe ONE place higher? That may be achievable yes and no doub''t there would be enough prats on here who would be satisfied with that?
I on the other hand expect 6th place as a minimum achievement... and I will state right now that that is not achievable...
Still prepared for your £1,000 bet on that score Yankee?
No I thought not!!!
On the very unlikely chance that you are agreeable... then sod charity... I want the money transfered to my bank account...
It can then be invested part way towards a crusade to get these fools to leave Carrow Road!!!
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PLEASE READ YOUR OWN WORDS SMUDGER ( as tough as they are to stomach...you can do it ). Your clear statement was that the coming season will be AT LEAST as bad as the past two. You''ve been called on that statement. Either back up your statement or back off. Your choice. Your gutless response was just another indication that you don''t believe in what you state but, like Cluck, use this forum not so much to share opinion but rather to spread toxic commentary against the club.
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Utter nonsense... that is what I believe... but what do you believe Yankee???
While I believe that there will be no improvement there may be the possibility of us finishing a place or two higher... that I cannot be 100% sure of...
You obviously do not believe that we will challenge for the play-off''s like you have previously stated so what do you see as acceptable?
Will tell you what if you are prepared to line my pockets then I will bet that we will not finish in the top 10 (yet again a totally unacceptable season) and don''t forget the bet is not for charity... you give me the money!!!
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Smudger, you''ve been quite calculating in the way you have previously undermined the majority view on here before, but I believe that you are starting to get rattled, you lost it and suggested this must spend £5m or protest garbage, something that hardly encourages shrewd purchasing, and you''re going to end up being exposed as the mouthy loser we all suspected. I''ll have a bet with you too, name your stake and terms, winner takes all.
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This is sense but, for reasons i can never understand, you are some kind of influencer on this site and whilst i do understand the occasional need to post inflammatory messages to gee the messageboard up, the inconsistencies in your views disrupt the feel good factor of being part of a group with the same passion.
Why not, for the good of this site and to improve, to some extent, the general feeling about the club currently, don''t you put your energy into getting people behind Grant and the team, ignoring your strange fascination with Delia and her ''evil machinations''.
Don''t cut the mischief, but try to maintain a positive influence rather than disrupting the minds of your own ''flock''.
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[quote user="Cluck "] Why don''t you, Smugger and a your disciples form a team of crack insurrection mercenaries who fly into disaffected supporters groups of badly run clubs and help to turn the clubs around with your vision, organisational skills and rousing speeches, toppling boards from Leeds to Hearts to Scarborough to Real Madrid and making the football world a better place. Other clubs need you too, why waste this talent on one little club in the sticks supported by sheep? Recognise that you are not sad act losers with an over inflated view of your importance and worth, regularly re-inflated by each others replies on here, you are the potential saviours of the greatest game in the world. Act now!I can understand the knee-jerk here...but for the realists this is just more of the same old. Earnshaw was always going to go...and Sharpe etc. have always been propaganda smoke screens from the club''s spin machine. As for protests?....I feel the vibe around the club is so lethargic and "spectator" orientated these days that there are very few real die hard fans left. The majority have been priced out and replaced by Delia''s little squeakies...the remainder have just had enough of the grief and bought their season tickets out of habit or misplaced loyalty.
I won''t be joining any protest...not because I feel it is wrong....but because the dynamic of the club has changed and the sheep have taken the edge away from what the club used to represent....this being the people of Norfolk and the surrounding area....the kids....the pensioners and the grass roots casuals (the season ticket scam did for them).
My position is to watch the ship sink with all on board....and gather up the few who deserve saving. A look at the "types" who reflect the club now...such as CA...Nutty...Branston Dickle...Loughborough...Shack etc etc etc.etc. shows just how far we have fallen...and it will take quite some time to steady the ship and bring back some guts and determination.
I support the protest call...but I don''t think the "bleaters" deserve the efforts of others on their behalf. I''ll return to pick up the pieces from wherever we end up...and hopefully those that have allowed this club to sink so low will have made their excuses and left. It''s pathetic to read even now the apologists standing by the indefencible in the name of "loyalty"....whereas they are infact little more than ostriches petrified by the thought of change.
The sheep don''t deserve to be carried by a few realists....and maybe the crash that is coming will be enough to either make them grow up...or better still find another treat for the kiddies on matchdays........
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What worries me is that Sharp has been here, we have offered the top price and there is still, after 2 days, no indication from him or anyone else that he plans to sign for us. I don''t blame this on the board or Grant or anything else, they have obviously done all they can to get this far, I just feel that he either wants to stay North or go to a ''bigger'' club, if not why hasn''t he just said yes? -
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Cluck, when previously looking at your picture I always assumed that you were a canary, but on closer inspection I wondered if you were actually some kind of tit. Perhaps you could enlighten us. Regards, Bill Oddie.
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[quote user="7rew"]The norfolk border being a barrier to investment is all about aspiring to do something about the sentiment "the club no longer represents the pride of the city and wider community".
Just because something is new does not mean it is any better than old - nor any worse. I would be ecstatic with a takeover that would be an improvement on the current lot. I would also be devastated by a takeover that was worse - I''m just honest enough to admit to that.
I have never used another username anywhere (unless 7rew is too short for forum rules, where I use 7rewotbc or some other longer variant of 7rew) and I am slightly insulted that you suggest otherwise.
I definately do not believe that modern is always best - it usually isn''t however modern is what we have to compete with and is the environment in which we have to opperate - so we must try to adapt to it. Personally I think a failure to asdequately adapt to the changes of the last 10 years is the major failing of this board. I have high hopes that the Turners will change this, I certainly feel we should give them a chance to try. They are city fans and richer than some of the foreign investors that are so highly vaunted as replacements for the board (e.g. The owners of Hearts and Blackpool).
As to the not going to games accusation - I have never claimed a season ticket or to get to games very often - I am prepared to take the rap for that from anyone that can honestly say they would attend carrow road given a 4 and a half hour train (central trains) trip each way to get there. I''ll certainly go to the away games up this way - Preston, Blackpool, Burnley, Sheffield (x2).
Excessive Desire leads to lack of thinking. And quite frankly that leads to Leeds.
[/quote]Now 7rew....here we go again. Where in the above have I accused you of either using an alternative "user name" or that you have ever claimed to be a season ticket holder when you weren''t? A touch of paranoia maybe? Mine was a generalisation based on your aside that I should have stayed away from the forum having stated I would do so now I was no longer bank rolling the circus. With reference to the bogus "season ticket holders"...surely you must have sussed this one out yourself yonks ago.
I also feel there is a conflict in your assertion that you do not favour the "new"...as you have plainly stated that the past is where cuckoos live and we are now in the "present". The "present" soon becomes the past and that is what has happened to us under milady''s kitchen. Your contentment as things are is the past...and only moving on will shift the emphasis towards success. The future is not to be feared and a future without the present encumbants in place might just return the club to it''s honest roots. I can assure you that when that time comes even you will see the difference it makes in terms of drive and pride.
You should know by now that you can''t throw stones at me...and quoting Leeds (yet again) only shows how scared you and your apologists are of moving forward. Why not quote Reading or Portsmouth instead?...or does that just spoil the argument for you? Progress need not be at the cost of financial ruin....and I''ll wager that the much quoted Leeds will be back in the Premiership again long before we will! They won''t be whining about being "little old Leeds" and will be out there banging the drum for success.
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I would like the supporters club from another football team, to sign Smudger on a free. It will not matter to him where they play as he won''t go to a game anyway but he could start annoying another board. How about Wolves, ''£30million, is that all, pathetic'', Chelsea, ''bought no one in January and now buying kids, old men and little old Reading players, tut, moan etc. I''m sure that there are other clubs that he could be disappointed with and it won''t even matter if the season ticket prices have gone up to make it unattainable to the normal supporter as he doesn''t need to ever be there to know what ie wrong and what needs correcting. -
Will you be there to see it? Or have you declared somewhere that you will not attend another insurrection at Carrow Road until there are real changes made in the type of protest that is dished up week after week?
Time to move on from the Delia fixation?
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Arthur you win. Defeated by the reasoned debate of a born leader. Just tell us where we are going and I''ll happily follow.