The "Hoolahan dilemma" returns....

Joanna Grey · July 27, 2014

Salopian wrote the following post at 26/07/2014 11:45 AM:

"There seem to be three possibilities:

1) Play 4-4-1-1...

2)Play 4-4-2...

3) Play orthodox 4-4-2..."

Or how about the formations that we have been playing that accommodate him? 4-4-2 Diamond and 4-2-3-1.

July 28, 2014

He crossed a line with his ''5hitty'' comments so on that alone I''d sell him.

Angry man · July 28, 2014

Quality player who as has been said can go missing in games!!, but when he''s on his game he can be the difference between 3pts and 1pt!!..

Adams not my choice but keen to see how he gets those players that hughton marginalised back into the fold and playing to the level we know they can!!

Wes and pilks being the two I want to see the most from!!.

Think lucio and seb have well and truly burned their bridges

Tetteys Jig · July 28, 2014

Hoolahan is an important player for us and when there are stubborn defences to unlock, he is our most important. I feel the teams we can overwhelm with our better technical and physical players won''t need the cleverness of Wes to beat, but say we come up against two centre backs having the game of their lives keeping us out and frustrating us, Wes is the main go to guy. I can see him appearing a lot off the bench this season and starting a fair few at home as he''s a step above anyone in this league for creativity.

morty · July 28, 2014

There really isn''t a dilemma at all if he realises he is one player that will be played in the squad, if his fitness and head are right, and the tactics deem his inclusion.

lincoln canary (& Golden Coppel) · July 28, 2014

[quote user="morty"]There really isn''t a dilemma at all if he realises he is one player that will be played in the squad, if his fitness and head are right, and the tactics deem his inclusion.[/quote]

He''s always been a team player. He was disillusioned under Hughton. This opinion that he isn''t a team player and the so called "comments" and transfer requests, have all been massively blown out of proportion.

Hoolahan has always been happy to stay here. He loves his football and just wants to play. So long as he''s given a fair crack he''ll not complain. Under Hughton he simply wasn''t. Even then much of what happened was due to his agent and bad advice.

Hoolahan seems to be getting better with age. As pace and power have never been key attributes to his game, I can''t see his ability deteriorating too quickly in the next couple of seasons either.

Along with Surman and Pilkington, I think he''ll flourish again this year.

mrs miggins · July 28, 2014

Hughton did give him a chance, it wasn''t the same situation as with Becchio. Wes was ineffective in basically every game he played under Hughton, mostly because he looked lazy and couldn''t pass properly, no wonder he wasn''t picked as much as he would''ve liked. When wes was reintroduced to the team, he had a good first game followed by a terrible game at stoke (if i remember correctly). Wes was played in the whole most of the time but didn''t cut the mustard in a poor hughton team, he only really has himself to blame.

morty · July 28, 2014

[quote user="lincoln canary"][quote user="morty"]There really isn''t a dilemma at all if he realises he is one player that will be played in the squad, if his fitness and head are right, and the tactics deem his inclusion.[/quote]

He''s always been a team player. He was disillusioned under Hughton. This opinion that he isn''t a team player and the so called "comments" and transfer requests, have all been massively blown out of proportion.

Hoolahan has always been happy to stay here. He loves his football and just wants to play. So long as he''s given a fair crack he''ll not complain. Under Hughton he simply wasn''t. Even then much of what happened was due to his agent and bad advice.

Hoolahan seems to be getting better with age. As pace and power have never been key attributes to his game, I can''t see his ability deteriorating too quickly in the next couple of seasons either.

Along with Surman and Pilkington, I think he''ll flourish again this year.[/quote]You know this how?What the hell are you going to do when Hoolahan eventually leaves Norwich?

morty · July 28, 2014

[quote user="mrs miggins"]Hughton did give him a chance, it wasn''t the same situation as with Becchio. Wes was ineffective in basically every game he played under Hughton, mostly because he looked lazy and couldn''t pass properly, no wonder he wasn''t picked as much as he would''ve liked. When wes was reintroduced to the team, he had a good first game followed by a terrible game at stoke (if i remember correctly). Wes was played in the whole most of the time but didn''t cut the mustard in a poor hughton team, he only really has himself to blame.[/quote][Y]

lincoln canary (& Golden Coppel) · July 28, 2014

[quote user="mrs miggins"]Hughton did give him a chance, it wasn''t the same situation as with Becchio. Wes was ineffective in basically every game he played under Hughton, mostly because he looked lazy and couldn''t pass properly, no wonder he wasn''t picked as much as he would''ve liked. When wes was reintroduced to the team, he had a good first game followed by a terrible game at stoke (if i remember correctly). Wes was played in the whole most of the time but didn''t cut the mustard in a poor hughton team, he only really has himself to blame.[/quote]

Sorry this just isn''t true. How about players such as BJ who were continually picked despite poor performances? Hoolahan wasn''t treated the same as some of Hughtons "favourites"

morty · July 28, 2014

So you would rather believe conspiracy theories about favourites than the simple fact he wasn''t playing well enough, or didn''t fit into the system the manager wanted to play?

lincoln canary (& Golden Coppel) · July 28, 2014

[quote user="morty"][quote user="lincoln canary"][quote user="morty"]There really isn''t a dilemma at all if he realises he is one player that will be played in the squad, if his fitness and head are right, and the tactics deem his inclusion.[/quote]

He''s always been a team player. He was disillusioned under Hughton. This opinion that he isn''t a team player and the so called "comments" and transfer requests, have all been massively blown out of proportion.

Hoolahan has always been happy to stay here. He loves his football and just wants to play. So long as he''s given a fair crack he''ll not complain. Under Hughton he simply wasn''t. Even then much of what happened was due to his agent and bad advice.

Hoolahan seems to be getting better with age. As pace and power have never been key attributes to his game, I can''t see his ability deteriorating too quickly in the next couple of seasons either.

Along with Surman and Pilkington, I think he''ll flourish again this year.[/quote]You know this how?What the hell are you going to do when Hoolahan eventually leaves Norwich?[/quote]

What the hell will I do? Well if he leaves whilst still as good as he is, I''ll be very disappointed, as most Norwich fans should be.

If he leaves and it''s in the best interests of the club then I''ll be happy. But since Hoolahan has been here, in my eyes, he''s been our best attacking and most creative player. Had he left during the last 6 years I''d struggle to see how it could be in the clubs best interest.

mrs miggins · July 28, 2014

But there''s a choice for defensive midfield; it''s either BJ or Tettey. Wes plays in a position that you have to consistently be good at because it is created just for him. When Tettey had a bad game BJ replaced him and visa versa. If Wes had a bad game (which he did basically every game) then he''s out of the team and we change to a different formation with no one in the hole because we don''t have any other proper CAM like Wes.

lincoln canary (& Golden Coppel) · July 28, 2014

[quote user="morty"]So you would rather believe conspiracy theories about favourites than the simple fact he wasn''t playing well enough, or didn''t fit into the system the manager wanted to play?[/quote]

Well you seemed to believe all the negative stuff in the press about Hoolahan. And then judge the lad on it. After all the majority was paper talk.

And I think most Norwich fans will agree that Hughton had his favourites.

morty · July 28, 2014

[quote user="lincoln canary"][quote user="morty"][quote user="lincoln canary"][quote user="morty"]There really isn''t a dilemma at all if he realises he is one player that will be played in the squad, if his fitness and head are right, and the tactics deem his inclusion.[/quote]

He''s always been a team player. He was disillusioned under Hughton. This opinion that he isn''t a team player and the so called "comments" and transfer requests, have all been massively blown out of proportion.

Hoolahan has always been happy to stay here. He loves his football and just wants to play. So long as he''s given a fair crack he''ll not complain. Under Hughton he simply wasn''t. Even then much of what happened was due to his agent and bad advice.

Hoolahan seems to be getting better with age. As pace and power have never been key attributes to his game, I can''t see his ability deteriorating too quickly in the next couple of seasons either.

Along with Surman and Pilkington, I think he''ll flourish again this year.[/quote]You know this how?What the hell are you going to do when Hoolahan eventually leaves Norwich?[/quote]

What the hell will I do? Well if he leaves whilst still as good as he is, I''ll be very disappointed, as most Norwich fans should be.

If he leaves and it''s in the best interests of the club then I''ll be happy. But since Hoolahan has been here, in my eyes, he''s been our best attacking and most creative player. Had he left during the last 6 years I''d struggle to see how it could be in the clubs best interest.[/quote]Yeah you never said how you know that bit in bold above.

morty · July 28, 2014

[quote user="lincoln canary"][quote user="morty"]So you would rather believe conspiracy theories about favourites than the simple fact he wasn''t playing well enough, or didn''t fit into the system the manager wanted to play?[/quote]

Well you seemed to believe all the negative stuff in the press about Hoolahan. And then judge the lad on it. After all the majority was paper talk.

And I think most Norwich fans will agree that Hughton had his favourites.[/quote]Incorrect.I judge with my eyes. And he wasn''t good enough, often enough to hold down a starting position. Simple as that. No conspiracy theories.

lincoln canary (& Golden Coppel) · July 28, 2014

[quote user="mrs miggins"]But there''s a choice for defensive midfield; it''s either BJ or Tettey. Wes plays in a position that you have to consistently be good at because it is created just for him. When Tettey had a bad game BJ replaced him and visa versa. If Wes had a bad game (which he did basically every game) then he''s out of the team and we change to a different formation with no one in the hole because we don''t have any other proper CAM like Wes.[/quote]

The CAM is not a position created just for Wes Hoolahan. What nonsense.

Agreed we don''t have another CAM in the squad to replace Hoolahan.... But this is a different thing to bespoke postion created just for Wes.

It''s Hughtons fault he didn''t find suitable replacement/competition.

flake district canary · July 28, 2014

It''s funny how Hoolahan gets stick for poor performances yet some of the others escape it, many of whom played far more games than him during the relegation.

Leroy Fer was basically god awful from around October/November, plus looked disinterested to say the least. They were also a few more examples of this amongst the squad.

mrs miggins · July 28, 2014

It''s not about ''believing'' the press about Hoolahan. The facts are more important. He wanted to go, he handed in a transfer request, he said $hit about the club, blah blah blah, there''s too many things to mention. It''s about believing, it seeing what''s in front of you, and if you can''t see that hoolahan was poor when he played last season, then you must be a pretty devoted christian indeed

lincoln canary (& Golden Coppel) · July 28, 2014

[quote user="morty"][quote user="lincoln canary"][quote user="morty"][quote user="lincoln canary"][quote user="morty"]There really isn''t a dilemma at all if he realises he is one player that will be played in the squad, if his fitness and head are right, and the tactics deem his inclusion.[/quote]

He''s always been a team player. He was disillusioned under Hughton. This opinion that he isn''t a team player and the so called "comments" and transfer requests, have all been massively blown out of proportion.

Hoolahan has always been happy to stay here. He loves his football and just wants to play. So long as he''s given a fair crack he''ll not complain. Under Hughton he simply wasn''t. Even then much of what happened was due to his agent and bad advice.

Hoolahan seems to be getting better with age. As pace and power have never been key attributes to his game, I can''t see his ability deteriorating too quickly in the next couple of seasons either.

Along with Surman and Pilkington, I think he''ll flourish again this year.[/quote]You know this how?What the hell are you going to do when Hoolahan eventually leaves Norwich?[/quote]

What the hell will I do? Well if he leaves whilst still as good as he is, I''ll be very disappointed, as most Norwich fans should be.

If he leaves and it''s in the best interests of the club then I''ll be happy. But since Hoolahan has been here, in my eyes, he''s been our best attacking and most creative player. Had he left during the last 6 years I''d struggle to see how it could be in the clubs best interest.[/quote]Yeah you never said how you know that bit in bold above.[/quote]

Listen Morty, it''s pointless getting into a debate with you. You can''t comprehend the idea of discussion and people with different ideas to you.

I don''t think proof is needed of poor advice from agent to player. Modern football is littered with examples of this. I surely don''t need to explain the motives of a football agent to you?

I don''t have proof for you. However looking at it objectively, Hoolahan has been at the club for 6 years. Through thick and thin. He''s proved that he''s not in I for the cash, he genuinely loves the game and loves it at Norwich. Never ever asked to leave previously. Everyone supporter was annoyed with the Hughton regime, and clearly so were many players. Hoolahan was disillusioned and his agent smelt a signing on fee.

mrs miggins · July 28, 2014

lincoln canary wrote the following post at 28/07/2014 5:34 PM:

The CAM is not a position created just for Wes Hoolahan. What nonsense.

Agreed we don''t have another CAM in the squad to replace Hoolahan.... But this is a different thing to bespoke postion created just for Wes.

It''s Hughtons fault he didn''t find suitable replacement/competition.

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But he can''t play anywhere else (there''s no point playing him on the left), its a specialised position for luxury players like him, Tarrabt, sessegnon etc. The fact is, to play in a proper CAM role, you have to make a difference in the game and if wes isn''t up to it, then we have no one else who plays specifically there.

mrs miggins · July 28, 2014

lincoln canary wrote the following post at 28/07/2014 5:42 PM:

He''s proved that he''s not in I for the cash, he genuinely loves the game and loves it at Norwich. Never ever asked to leave previously. Everyone supporter was annoyed with the Hughton regime, and clearly so were many players. Hoolahan was disillusioned and his agent smelt a signing on fee.

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TBH I think there''s only one person disillusioned here.

lincoln canary (& Golden Coppel) · July 28, 2014

[quote user="mrs miggins"]It''s not about ''believing'' the press about Hoolahan. The facts are more important. He wanted to go, he handed in a transfer request, he said $hit about the club, blah blah blah, there''s too many things to mention. It''s about believing, it seeing what''s in front of you, and if you can''t see that hoolahan was poor when he played last season, then you must be a pretty devoted christian indeed[/quote]

In the words of morty - prove it!!!!!

Seriously where''s the quotes of Hoolahan saying $hit about the club?

Hoolahans form was all over last season. But he still managed some brilliant performances, which is more than can be said of a lot of other players, who completely escape the abuse.

lincoln canary (& Golden Coppel) · July 28, 2014

[quote user="mrs miggins"]lincoln canary wrote the following post at 28/07/2014 5:42 PM:

He''s proved that he''s not in I for the cash, he genuinely loves the game and loves it at Norwich. Never ever asked to leave previously. Everyone supporter was annoyed with the Hughton regime, and clearly so were many players. Hoolahan was disillusioned and his agent smelt a signing on fee.

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TBH I think there''s only one person disillusioned here.[/quote]

Top answer mate. Well done.

morty · July 28, 2014

[quote user="lincoln canary"][quote user="morty"][quote user="lincoln canary"][quote user="morty"][quote user="lincoln canary"][quote user="morty"]There really isn''t a dilemma at all if he realises he is one player that will be played in the squad, if his fitness and head are right, and the tactics deem his inclusion.[/quote]