Why Norwich need a new management structure

[FenwayFrank 2,459]

👍 talk about self indulgent

[JF 694]

I’ve just read the OP. Thankfully I missed it the first time around. I wasn’t quite so lucky this time around. There’s a lot of waffling in there!

[Big Vince 318]

I would argue that under Mr Chase we did have the kind of over-arching culture and structures that are being argued here.

The Norwich brand of passing football was something that was continuous from Brown thru Stringer thru Walker thru Deehan, etc. Giving youth a chance was also a continuous thread that began under Bond.

Messrs Chase and Jones did, like Abromavich, have a grip on what was going on at all levels of the club because they were essentially executive directors who, unlike the Suffolk Socialists, did not delegate power to others.

I have never been able to fathom why you would own something, but then take a back seat and allow someone else to do the day-to-day running of it without any proper oversight and scrutiny. This no doubt explains why so many mistakes have been made over the past 22 years because the owners neither fully grasp the reins of power, nor are competent to do so in any case.

Norwich City were famed for being a well-run club from Watling thru to Chase because the culture and structures and methodologies remained mostly the same. That all started to unravel from 1996.

[SwindonCanary 455]

That all started to unravel from 1996   ---English television cook Delia Smith and husband Michael Wynn-Jones took over the majority of Norwich City''s shares from Watling in 1996   

[PurpleCanary 5,557]

[quote user="Big Vince"]I would argue that under Mr Chase we did have the kind of over-arching culture and structures that are being argued here.

The Norwich brand of passing football was something that was continuous from Brown thru Stringer thru Walker thru Deehan, etc. Giving youth a chance was also a continuous thread that began under Bond.

Messrs Chase and Jones did, like Abromavich, have a grip on what was going on at all levels of the club because they were essentially executive directors who, unlike the Suffolk Socialists, did not delegate power to others.

I have never been able to fathom why you would own something, but then take a back seat and allow someone else to do the day-to-day running of it without any proper oversight and scrutiny. This no doubt explains why so many mistakes have been made over the past 22 years because the owners neither fully grasp the reins of power, nor are competent to do so in any case.

Norwich City were famed for being a well-run club from Watling thru to Chase because the culture and structures and methodologies remained mostly the same. That all started to unravel from 1996.[/quote]

I know it upsets the ''it all began with Chase'' narrative but the passing-the-ball thing started under South with Bond, as a graduate of the West Ham academy, as a deliberate opposite to the fustian football we had from Saunders.

Secondly, if the owners aren''t competent to run the club isn''t it a good thing they don''t?

Bearing in mind the anti -Delia mantra that all the bad decisions have been made when she has got involved and all the good ones - those that led to promotions and PL survival and the like - were made when she let others take over.

You cannot stray from the party line, BV. Your followers will get confused.

[Big Vince 318]

I am saying that the owners should be competent to run the club all by themselves and there should be no need to bring in others to do the job.

If you bring in others who are no good, they will do a bad job and let you down and give you a bad name. If you are so incompetent yourself that you cannot recognise a bad job when you see it and you then let the situation fester, then the business goes to pot.

If you bring in people who are better than you at doing the job in hand they will eventually get frustrated because they can see that the owners are no good and that they are flogging a dead horse. They will then leave which is what happened with Bowkett and McNasty.

So in both cases it is essential that the owners know what they are doing.

If you do bring in others it is critical that you know how the job should be done yourself so that you can provide effective scrutiny and control over what is happening underneath you.

If you want to paint a picture in pink you need to know that white has to be mixed with red.

Point taken re West Ham - South - Bond.

[Van wink 2,994]

hogesar wrote the following post at 16/05/2018 11:19 AM:

king canary wrote:

Yep, pretty lame to go and dig up 4 or 5 old threads for the sole purpose of saying ''look how right and knowledgeable I am!''

Normally I''d agree but with the stick he''s had from a select few (City 1st being a key example) I don''t blame him. 

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[norfolkngood 1,086]

Yep, pretty lame to go and dig up 4 or 5 old threads for the sole purpose of saying ''look how right and knowledgeable I am!''

Normally I''d agree but with the stick he''s had from a select few (City 1st being a key example) I don''t blame him.

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which i could dig up the Thread where i was told by a scout RVW was to light weight for the english game before we signed him !

[Bonzo 198]

Seriously - what a load of guff.

There are 24 sides and three get promoted. 1:8 or 12.5% chance.

At least three of the sides have parachute payments which we don’t so our odds are slightly worse than the above.

The ability of management to impact these odds has some bearing but alone they are not going to move the odds from a 12.5% chance of promotion to a 100% chance.

There are a multitude of factors; luck, money, refereeing decisions, player performance, injuries other teams performance and tactics resources etc. which are beyond our control.

The notion that a different structure is some kind of panacea is simply bogus. All management structures are flawed in certain ways. Constantly changing the structure does nothing for performance. With any given structure the crucial element for performance to exceed the mean is to have stability because this allows the leadership and management to develop the workarounds to the inherent flaws of the adopted structure.

We should stick with the structure we have. If we get promoted in less than 8 years it will have been a success. Argue with the maths if you like or go for the Chinese takeaway or bankruptcy option if you want faster results but neither guarantee promotion from this insanely tough league.

[Graham Paddons Beard 2,431]

Oh come on Parma Ham is pure gold. The long drawn out way of describing transition, add in a bit of broken English and a hint that you once managed Inter Milan?

Same again Mr Ham . Meraviglioso!

[norfolkngood 1,086]

We Might need another New Managerment structure soon into next season if Farke and Webber do not improve !

[Splendid Rush 2]

Parma is pretty much the only person on here with any proper knowledge of the game. I assume the people getting on his back just don''t like the fact that he''s way more educated about football than they are.

Keep it up Parma. I always look forwards to your posts.

[norfolkngood 1,086]

Have you Forgotten True Grit !!

[hogesar 9,658]

Some on here have met him too and know more specifically which clubs Parma has worked for too. Genuine poster who knows more about tactics etc than me.

Of course he is the expert as far as this forum goes. Doesnt mean he can''t be wrong - ive written bad software before. But generally worth listening to and his posts are an excellent addition to the forum.

[king canary 7,605]

I''m not questioning his knowledge.

But if you call your posts masterclasses and start digging up all your old threads to show how clever you are, you''ll start to come across as more than a bit smug.

[lappinitup 629]

[quote user="Big Vince"]If you are so incompetent yourself that you cannot recognise a bad job when you see it and you then let the situation fester, then the business goes to pot.[/quote]And that''s exactly what happened with Bob Chase Vinnie, I couldn''t have put it better myself. [Y]

[Splendid Rush 2]

[quote user="king canary"]I''m not questioning his knowledge.

But if you call your posts masterclasses and start digging up all your old threads to show how clever you are, you''ll start to come across as more than a bit smug.[/quote]

Fair enough but it''s easy less itritating than the constant in fighting and sniping that makes up the majority of posts on this forum.

Someone called him self indulgent. To me, having thousands of posts, many of which don''t add any value to the forum, is much more self indulgent than dressing up some of your old posts to show your predictions were correct.

[Splendid Rush 2]

*dragging

[JF 694]

I wasn’t aware the the new structure was currently viewed as a success? The jury is very much still out on this set up for me. As with any set up, it will be judged by results on the pitch

[nutty nigel 7,531]

I don''t know why my buddy Parma''s getting stick. I''d rather he bumped decent threads than reading the same old drivel about Robert Chase or Stinking Rich Chinese Owners on numerous threads. But we shouldn''t discourage any of it because all contributors help make this the best football message board in the world.