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Did anyone else find Hughton''s decision not to use RVW in any form today a bit strange. I''ll be the first to admit I don''t rate him but he''s been a regular selection in the team when fit throughout the season for Chris. Today he seemed to be absolutely desperate to get on the pitch, there wasn''t a moment when he wasn''t either warming up on the touchline, stretching or standing in front of the tunnel with his arms folded. Come half time he was the first sub running onto the pitch to warm up.He looked desperate to get on the pitch and prove his worth having been dropped and was so distracting I noticed him blustering about from the other side of the stadium so CH must have been aware of it. Yet Chris not only chose not to use him but strangely even brought Becchio on ahead of him, who has looked totally out of his depth whenever used and would have been nowhere near as match fit as RVW following his 4-5 starts in a row.From his body language he looked so pumped up I was thinking it might be the day he finally proves himself yet Luciano continued to show the same sort of laid back disinterest he''s been showing since he was asked to play a lone striker role against Fulham last January.It has made me wonder whether Hughton and RVW have had some sort of falling out with each other as I can''t see any reason for a striker to go from 1st to 4th choice in the space of 7 days, he couldn''t have been that bad against Swansea surely? Not to try and be a conspiracy theorist but it could only have been that or Chris just has a complete lack of understanding of his players mind set and behaviour.

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Cant understand this Bechio criticism. Whenever I''ve seen him come on, he has often looked the most dangerous of players. Good in the air with good vision. Today he had one decent forward pass and that was it. How can you compare any of our strikers against each other with this manager?

The way Hughton selects his team it is obvious he hasn''t a clue what his best team is and this doesn''t help players. For weeks they are not considered then suddenly they appear on the team sheet.

Everyone states he hasn''t a Plan B, this guy hasn''t a Plan A.

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Cos Hughton is a poor man manager and rather than put his arm round a struggling player, they get the cold shoulder. Pilks non appearance on the bench is a good example of this. Bennett getting dropped after one appearance (he has always found form after a few consecutive appearances for us). Treatment of Hoolahan, Becchio, Jackson (last year), Fox....

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[quote user="Bury Yellow"]Cant understand this Bechio criticism. Whenever I''ve seen him come on, he has often looked the most dangerous of players. Good in the air with good vision. Today he had one decent forward pass and that was it. How can you compare any of our strikers against each other with this manager?

The way Hughton selects his team it is obvious he hasn''t a clue what his best team is and this doesn''t help players. For weeks they are not considered then suddenly they appear on the team sheet.

Everyone states he hasn''t a Plan B, this guy hasn''t a Plan A.[/quote]Personally I just don''t think Becchio wants to be here. Not being critical of him but after he didn''t make an immediate impact last season he faded into the background and he''s become disillusioned with being a back-up 4th striker for 18 months. Especially when the three ahead of him, Kamara, Holt and Jackson all left last summer and come the new season he has been usurped by 3 more journeyman strikers. There was nothing wrong with what he did today but he just looked like he was going through the motions.My query was more with why Hughton''s opinion of his strikers pecking order (for most of the year being RVW > Hooper > Becchio with Elmander as an option as a second striker in a 4-4-2) changed so rapidly when none of them have looked like scoring for months.

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"Personally I just don''t think Becchio wants to be here"Of course he doesn''t.... he''d scored 19 goals in half a season, came here, and has been given 2 starts. Becchio should be praised for not going beserk and knocking a few people out.

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This thread is not about the critisism of Becchio.

I did think it was a strange decision to bring on a player who hasn''t touched a ball in months. With a player like this it''s always best to just start him from the off.

Although RVW has been a flop, the best way to get a player out of a form slump is to keep playing him. Hughton did this with Snodgrass earlier this season so it''s beggars belief as to why he didn''t with RVW!

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Yes it does appear to have been a very strange decision, and IMO the use if Becchio smacked of desperation by Hughton. But having had a conversation with a person reasonably close to RVW it appears there has been a spat midweek when the player has spoken his mind to the management team following his withdrawal (once again) at Swansea where had had words with Bassong during the match, and disappeared straight down the tunnel on being subbed. His criticism is et al that of one Grant Holt regarding tactics, team set up, game plan, personal expectancy and a distinct lack of quality which to quote ''he has never been used to'' at any other club he has played.

It could well be RVW does not grace the first 11 again this season as a first choice striker - and unless changes materialise soon I would suggest his days here are numbered indeed.

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Yes it does totally smack of desperation but......

We know Hooper and RvW does not work. So the other alternative would have been to take off Hooper. That would not have gone down well.

Looking at RvW''s contribution when he has had his better games it has come from chasing down the back 4 when they are in possession. Not a role required against WBA whose two centre backs have a job of get rid, get it off the park or hoof asap. In that context maybe not such a strange decision that we did not see RvW yesterday.

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The decision to bring on Becchio rather than RVW looked like the last act of a desperate man to me. He signed Becchio when he had scored 19 goals in half a season in the championship, was flying and brimming with confidence. He did not see fit to play him during that time. I do not see how a player can be expected to make an impact having played basically no competitive football for 18 months.

If Becchio is good enough to be a Norwich player in the Premiership he should have been given a lot more chances much sooner than he has been given the dreadful form of all the other strikers. If he isn''t good enough he should have been allowed to leave much sooner.

Ultimately, a manager lives or dies by his signings. Norwich were 1-0 at home and in desperate need of a goal in a must win game. CH did not feel he could turn to his club record signing to deliver him that goal. That is damning indictment on CH, his management team and his scouting staff - probably one that will ultimately cost him his job.

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Bringing Becchio on instead of RVW was the act of a manager who realised he was in the last chance saloon.He rolled the dice but his number didn''t come up.Hughton, Becchio, RVW, will any of them still be here in August?

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[quote user="ricardo"]Hughton, Becchio, RVW, will any of them still be here in August?[/quote]In truth I only want the first of those three gone, Becchio is perfectly decent as a 4th choice striker and RVW will be MUCH better if he gets decent supply of the sort of balls he''s always thrived on until moving here.Neither RVW or Hooper are lone target men who specialise in holding the line and using their strength to bring others into the game, but match after match after match, this is exactly what Hughton has asked them to do and in return they''ve both struggled for goals because of it. Even Holt struggled to score in this system, and he was far more physical and direct than either of them!Get rid of the muppet in charge, bring in a manager who knows how to play good, attractive football and how to get the best out of his players (someone like Lucien Favre) and we''ll see a FAR different team than we have the past 2 seasons...

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Where will RVW go next season, noone will buy striker who hasn''t scored in 8 months. Maybe someone abroad will take on loan can''t see it somehow. He will have to mix it with the cloggers in the Championship and see out the remaining 3 years of his contract. Also can''t see RVW having a relegation clause in his contract. That''s a chunk out of the parachute payment.

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[quote user="Indy_Bones"][quote user="ricardo"]Hughton, Becchio, RVW, will any of them still be here in August?[/quote]In truth I only want the first of those three gone, Becchio is perfectly decent as a 4th choice striker and RVW will be MUCH better if he gets decent supply of the sort of balls he''s always thrived on until moving here.Neither RVW or Hooper are lone target men who specialise in holding the line and using their strength to bring others into the game, but match after match after match, this is exactly what Hughton has asked them to do and in return they''ve both struggled for goals because of it. Even Holt struggled to score in this system, and he was far more physical and direct than either of them!Get rid of the muppet in charge, bring in a manager who knows how to play good, attractive football and how to get the best out of his players (someone like Lucien Favre) and we''ll see a FAR different team than we have the past 2 seasons...[/quote]
Which players will be here next season will depend on who the manager is, who he needs to fit his system, how the players see their future under him and of course the little matter of contracts of employment and what the club needs to do to balance the finances if a miracle does not happen. So not not of lot of point in speculating.
But I do agree with your point totally Indy. Buying players that do not fit the system you are going to play is actually beyond belief. 

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But I do agree with your point totally Indy. Buying players that do not

fit the system you are going to play is actually beyond belief.
And yet he didn''t just do it once with Becchio but again with RVW and a third time with Hooper. How he has bought 3 goal poachers who can''t play in a 4-5-1 (4-4-1-1) and yet plays the formation incessantly is beyond me. It reminds me of a quote from Albert Einstein
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/alberteins133991.html#3YXqdtAZrGgY1wIb.99
"Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results"
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/alberteins133991.html#3YXqdtAZrGgY1wIb.99
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/a/alberteins133991.html#3YXqdtAZrGgY1wIb.99

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[quote user="jas the barclay king"]i personally wouldn''t care if RVW never plays for us again...[/quote]

You don''t even go to games ...you are a classic plastic .

How do make your assessment about who should play for us or not ?

By watching it on a jerky stream ?

I think most don''t care if you post again ...on no ..wait ...I am sure your "life target " is to reach 20,00 posts ?

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