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Little short of atrocious, our away form this season, and we''re currently on the worst run of the lot with five straight defeats.

L-L-W-L-L-L-L-W-D-D-L-L-L-L-L

What the flaming hell is wrong with the team away from home? Sitting deep, surrendering possession and short of ideas whenever we''re given spells of possession (Hull was a good example), we''re less than half the team we are at home. Why?

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Something tells me Lakey will soon be along to put a totally different slant on this. [;)]

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It''s not the fact that we lose games away from home that concerns me, that''s to be expected, it''s the fact that we rarely even give ourselves a chance in these games.

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We finished 18th in the away league table last season.

We are 19th in the away league table for this season.

Lakey was boasting about our 2 away wins yesterday, perhaps he can come along and tell us how wonderful we are away from home.

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[quote user="Elsie Fustyweed"]Little short of atrocious, our away form this season, and we''re currently on the worst run of the lot with five straight defeats.

L-L-W-L-L-L-L-W-D-D-L-L-L-L-L

What the flaming hell is wrong with the team away from home? Sitting deep, surrendering possession and short of ideas whenever we''re given spells of possession (Hull was a good example), we''re less than half the team we are at home. Why?[/quote]

Putting the early season aside, since our WDD sequence, we have had five away games. Everton away - ok a 2-0 defeat, fair enough.  Cardiff and West Ham though were attacking performances where we did not sit deep and could have won both matches easily.  Villa we attacked - and got punished as a result - weak in defending against pace because we played more like 442 with Hoolahan playing forward.  Southampton was poor, no doubt.  As usual its a mixed picture - results not there, but WH or Cardiff should have been the redeeming feature of that run.   That they weren''t is down to the strikers and the late substitutions at West Ham that did not work.

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We are 19th in the away table Lakey, we finished 18th in the away table last season. You even said yourself that we are 8th in the home form table.

Why are you so incapable of just admitting that we are terrible away from home?

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Only one person on this forum could try and spin 19th place in the away table by starting a sentence like this:

"Putting the early season aside, since our WDD sequence, we have had five away games"

Translation:

"If you ignore the first 7 away games of the season, apart from maybe the third one, and then ignore the last 5 away games that we have played, we are actually unbeaten away from home and right up there with the best in the league".

Or:

"If we ignore 83% of our away games this season we are actually really good away from home".

That is how most people read your claptrap on a daily basis.

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[quote user="Le Juge"]Only one person on this forum could try and spin 19th place in the away table by starting a sentence like this:

"Putting the early season aside, since our WDD sequence, we have had five away games"

Translation:

"If you ignore the first 7 away games of the season, apart from maybe the third one, and then ignore the last 5 away games that we have played, we are actually unbeaten away from home and right up there with the best in the league".

Or:

"If we ignore 83% of our away games this season we are actually really good away from home".

That is how most people read your claptrap on a daily basis.[/quote]

Well that goes to show that people dwell too much in the past. What matters is now, not what happened six months ago. If there are positive signs now or in recent history, that is what matters, going forward.  If you can''t see that, I''m sorry for you. 

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[quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="Le Juge"]Only one person on this forum could try and spin 19th place in the away table by starting a sentence like this: "Putting the early season aside, since our WDD sequence, we have had five away games" Translation: "If you ignore the first 7 away games of the season, apart from maybe the third one, and then ignore the last 5 away games that we have played, we are actually unbeaten away from home and right up there with the best in the league". Or: "If we ignore 83% of our away games this season we are actually really good away from home". That is how most people read your claptrap on a daily basis.[/quote]


Well that goes to show that people dwell too much in the past. What matters is now, not what happened six months ago. If there are positive signs now or in recent history, that is what matters, going forward.  If you can''t see that, I''m sorry for you. 



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Twerp!

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[quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="Le Juge"]Only one person on this forum could try and spin 19th place in the away table by starting a sentence like this: "Putting the early season aside, since our WDD sequence, we have had five away games" Translation: "If you ignore the first 7 away games of the season, apart from maybe the third one, and then ignore the last 5 away games that we have played, we are actually unbeaten away from home and right up there with the best in the league". Or: "If we ignore 83% of our away games this season we are actually really good away from home". That is how most people read your claptrap on a daily basis.[/quote]


Well that goes to show that people dwell too much in the past. What matters is now, not what happened six months ago. If there are positive signs now or in recent history, that is what matters, going forward.  If you can''t see that, I''m sorry for you. 



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Likewise, I''m sorry for you that you cannot see the blatantly obvious FACTS that we are sh!te away from home.

 

Because all the Hughton defenders constantly harp on about the FACTS don''t they, so this thread spells one out for you in the form of LLLLL.

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[quote user="Jimbo Canary"]

[quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="Le Juge"]Only one person on this forum could try and spin 19th place in the away table by starting a sentence like this: "Putting the early season aside, since our WDD sequence, we have had five away games" Translation: "If you ignore the first 7 away games of the season, apart from maybe the third one, and then ignore the last 5 away games that we have played, we are actually unbeaten away from home and right up there with the best in the league". Or: "If we ignore 83% of our away games this season we are actually really good away from home". That is how most people read your claptrap on a daily basis.[/quote]

Well that goes to show that people dwell too much in the past. What matters is now, not what happened six months ago. If there are positive signs now or in recent history, that is what matters, going forward.  If you can''t see that, I''m sorry for you.  [/quote]

Twerp!

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Gesundheit!

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[quote user="lake district canary"]Too late, Your Gobshiteness.[/quote]And you''re the guy who''s always complaining about insults. [:S]

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[quote user="lappinitup"][quote user="lake district canary"]Too late, Your Gobshiteness.[/quote]And you''re the guy who''s always complaining about insults. [:S][/quote]

Le Juge brings me out in a rash.......[:(]

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[quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="Le Juge"]Only one person on this forum could try and spin 19th place in the away table by starting a sentence like this:

"Putting the early season aside, since our WDD sequence, we have had five away games"

Translation:

"If you ignore the first 7 away games of the season, apart from maybe the third one, and then ignore the last 5 away games that we have played, we are actually unbeaten away from home and right up there with the best in the league".

Or:

"If we ignore 83% of our away games this season we are actually really good away from home".

That is how most people read your claptrap on a daily basis.[/quote]

Well that goes to show that people dwell too much in the past. What matters is now, not what happened six months ago. If there are positive signs now or in recent history, that is what matters, going forward.  If you can''t see that, I''m sorry for you. 

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Ahh so we can''t get relegated because our poor form at the start of the season doesn''t count. Good stuff.

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[quote user="Mr Brownstone"]Someone just clear this up for me, Jimbo is Wiz right?[/quote]

 

For the umpteenth time Mr Brownstone N0![:@]

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Yep, Wiz has a new identity.

Now I am struggling to find the positives in an away run of LLLLL, reckon that might be pushing it to say things are looking promising Lakey.

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[quote user="Bor Bor Bor"]Yep, Wiz has a new identity.

Now I am struggling to find the positives in an away run of LLLLL, reckon that might be pushing it to say things are looking promising Lakey.[/quote]

Funnily enough, I was answering the op - a thing one or two others might like to try - he said "Sitting deep, surrendering possession and short of ideas whenever we''re given spells of possession".  That is what I was commenting on - because that is precisely what we weren''t doing at West Ham or Cardiff or Villa.   I suspect that we would have attacked more at Southampton, except they got the upper hand too early in the match.

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When you see that away form it adds pressure to the fact we need to pick up six points from three home games against WBA, Liverpool & Arsenal, easy! ;-)

 

Well as some point on here, we never beat Fulham so them being the bogey team we can write that game off, we do well against Swansea away, so might just pick up a draw.

 

Do we thing 35 points might be enough? given our record against the top sides goal difference might just be our downfall, we have to play Liverpool Chelsea, Man U and Arsenal, could add another -12 to our total GD.

 

How can a team be so good at home since January and so poor away from home?

 

Since January:

Home - W-D-D-W-D-W

Away - D-L-L-L-L-L

 

So if we get relegated it''s down to our poor away form and stay up we can thank our home form!

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[quote user="Le Juge"]We are 19th in the away table Lakey, we finished 18th in the away table last season. You even said yourself that we are 8th in the home form table.

Why are you so incapable of just admitting that we are terrible away from home?[/quote]I don''t agree with everything LJ puts up on here but he''s spot on with this.You''re always banging on about '' outers '' not seeing things in a balanced way but that''s precisely what you''re doing by glossing over our dreadful away record. Spin the '' ifs '' '' buts '' and '' maybes '' as much as you like, the truth is the facts paint a pretty woeful picture.If you care to admit it it''s an easy chance to gain some brownie points but if you don''t / can''t it will only confirm you''re just as pig-headed as most of the ''outers '' you label if you don''t.Wad''ya say ?

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[quote user="......and Smith must score."][quote user="Le Juge"]We are 19th in the away table Lakey, we finished 18th in the away table last season. You even said yourself that we are 8th in the home form table.

Why are you so incapable of just admitting that we are terrible away from home?[/quote]I don''t agree with everything LJ puts up on here but he''s spot on with this.You''re always banging on about '' outers '' not seeing things in a balanced way but that''s precisely what you''re doing by glossing over our dreadful away record. Spin the '' ifs '' '' buts '' and '' maybes '' as much as you like, the truth is the facts paint a pretty woeful picture.If you care to admit it it''s an easy chance to gain some brownie points but if you don''t / can''t it will only confirm you''re just as pig-headed as most of the ''outers '' you label if you don''t.Wad''ya say ?[/quote]

 

You''ll never believe this Smithy but I went to speak to someone at half-time on Saturday and after that exhilarating first half he wanted to talk about the previous weeks no show at Southampton[;)]

 

Nobody can argue our away form is poor. But also some expectations are ridiculously high. There''s fine margins in all thses things just like there is in the whole bottom half. Look what happened to that stat about subs scoring and assisting. In one game Hughton''s record in this was suddenly as good as Lambert''s at Villa. Then there was the not winning games after falling behind stat. One comeback against West ham and suddenly only 11 clubs have won more than that. If, and admittedly a big IF, we win on Saturday we''d suddenly be 16th in the away table.

 

What are realistic expectations? Where would people expect us to be in the away table? How high do people expect us to be in the league table?

 

 

 

 

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"Lake District Chump"

Who finds positives in defeat.  Well, sometimes you can learn from setbacks - if you want to.  The alternative is to go -

 

  "Oh no, its terrible, we''re terrible, the manager''s terrible, the football is terrible, we won on Saturday, but Sunderland were terrible which makes us terrible, we were terrible last week, we''re just terrible................"     

 

Things are only terrible if you want them to be.

 

  

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"What are realistic expectations? Where would people expect us to be in the away table?"

Outside of the bottom 3 would be a good start.

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