Canary On The Wire 0 Posted March 9, 2014 See you when we''re 15th or 16th with about 37 points and have stayed up by virtue of other teams being worse than us. (obviously, if i could be exact i''d be a very rich man)We should get rid of Hughton at that point for not developing the right attacking approach, failing to be varied and dynamic in his use of the wide men, and failing to drop Bassong when he has been largely criminally poor this year.We won''t though, as McNally has made a rod for his own back by talking of Hughton''s remit being to keep us up. I hope he notices that just by re-inverting one of the two wingers we''ll get more service to the strikers that you all hate because you''ve targeted the effect but not the cause. (I''d put Pilks left, Snoddy right and have Pilks going down the outside on his left foot as he''s perfectly competent with both feet, with snoddy still cutting inside- then bring Redmond on for Pilks when his hamstrings start to feel it and put Snoddy on the left, Redmond right for out and out byline wingers- Hughton will never do this as he''s not dynamic enough)I''m tired of trying to argue with the constant flow of b0ll0x spouted on here. Some good posters but mostly just poorly formed arguments by ''passionate casuals'' who love NCFC, but try to argue in detail with those who better understand the game, irrespective of their love of NCFC.So as you all bleat and moan and tell me ''f*ck off, good riddance'' etc.....I have full confidence and look forward to bringing this post back up when we do as I said initially- think we''ll lose to Southampton and Swansea but get the big wins against WBA and Sunderland.Bye! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Number 9 0 Posted March 9, 2014 It does seem to be an issue, inverted wingers, when playing with our strikers up front on their own.Everyone seems to have an opinion and rather than argue about players best positions isn''t it just a case of observation.Snoddy on the right wing all the time has not worked. Why hasn''t it been changed, surely we are giving the player more chance of succeeding if he is in the middle or on the left.I''m looking forward to august, hopefully our new management will set up the team to the players strengths. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canary On The Wire 0 Posted March 15, 2014 One down Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canary On The Wire 0 Posted March 24, 2014 Two down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,509 Posted March 24, 2014 Did he not drop Bassong? One back... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Orford65 0 Posted March 24, 2014 [quote user="Number 9"]It does seem to be an issue, inverted wingers, when playing with our strikers up front on their own.Everyone seems to have an opinion and rather than argue about players best positions isn''t it just a case of observation.Snoddy on the right wing all the time has not worked. Why hasn''t it been changed, surely we are giving the player more chance of succeeding if he is in the middle or on the left.I''m looking forward to august, hopefully our new management will set up the team to the players strengths.[/quote]Still not working, I see!Hoots knows nothing about football, obviously! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canary On The Wire 0 Posted March 24, 2014 Still 2-1 to me Nige. Don''t think anyone would argue he should have been dropped sooner than he was....the end result? A much better performance against Sunderland from Seb. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TCCANARY 263 Posted March 24, 2014 [quote user="Orford65"][quote user="Number 9"]It does seem to be an issue, inverted wingers, when playing with our strikers up front on their own. Everyone seems to have an opinion and rather than argue about players best positions isn''t it just a case of observation. Snoddy on the right wing all the time has not worked. Why hasn''t it been changed, surely we are giving the player more chance of succeeding if he is in the middle or on the left. I''m looking forward to august, hopefully our new management will set up the team to the players strengths.[/quote]Still not working, I see!Hoots knows nothing about football, obviously![/quote] Does that make it 2-2? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canary On The Wire 0 Posted March 24, 2014 No, because I didn''t say that Snoddy on the right wing doesn''t work. I said Hughton is not dynamic enough in his use of the wide men. There''s not really an argument against that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fuzzar 1,702 Posted March 24, 2014 I thought you were tired of trying to argue with the constant flow of boll0x on here?[:P] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canary On The Wire 0 Posted March 24, 2014 I am. It''s amazing what caffeine can do Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,509 Posted March 24, 2014 [quote user="Canary On The Wire"]Still 2-1 to me Nige. Don''t think anyone would argue he should have been dropped sooner than he was....the end result? A much better performance against Sunderland from Seb. [/quote] So we drew at home to Stoke where the only goal conceded was a penalty. Bassong is dropped at Southampton and we ship in four. Returns for Sunderland and we get another clean sheet. OK..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Angry 1,545 Posted March 24, 2014 I''m struggling to understand the argument that we will only stay up because of other teams being worse than us. Isn''t that how the relegation places are always decided? The worst teams being relegated, and the measure of what are the worst teams being the ones with the fewest points? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nexus_Canary 1,016 Posted March 24, 2014 Don''t let the door hit you in the ass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
It's Character Forming 1,160 Posted March 24, 2014 [quote user="Mr Angry"]I''m struggling to understand the argument that we will only stay up because of other teams being worse than us. Isn''t that how the relegation places are always decided? The worst teams being relegated, and the measure of what are the worst teams being the ones with the fewest points?[/quote]Lol. It''s the difference between being better than other teams, which is good, and other teams being worse than you, which is bad. Obvious really... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted March 24, 2014 Wonder if you''ll be bumping your own thread at the end of the season (after everyone ignored it the first time)...? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Angry 1,545 Posted March 24, 2014 Thanks for that ICF, but how can you tell which is which? Like 2 seasons ago, were we better than 8 teams, or were 8 teams worse than us? And last year, was it 9 teams worse than us, or were we better than the 9? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canary On The Wire 0 Posted March 25, 2014 Nutty,According to the ProZone model, here are Bassong''s overall match rating (scores derived from individual performance modules on tackling, passing, positioning, interceptions, aerial duels etc) EPL 23-02-2014 Norwich 1 : 0 Tottenham 90'' 6.58 EPL 02-03-2014 Aston Villa 4 : 1 Norwich 90'' 5.97 EPL 08-03-2014 Norwich 1 : 1 Stoke 90'' 6.57 EPL 22-03-2014 Norwich 2 : 0 Sunderland 90'' 7.31 I do hope you find them to be satisfactory evidence that Bassong has needed dropping for a good month, as he has been average to poor over the last month. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canary On The Wire 0 Posted March 25, 2014 and if you go on WhoScored via the link and look at Bassong''s performances across the whole season, you''ll see his average sitting at around 6.75showing how much the 7.31 v Sunderland is an improvement for him this year.Thanks. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YankeeCanary 0 Posted March 25, 2014 [quote user="Canary On The Wire"]and if you go on WhoScored via the link and look at Bassong''s performances across the whole season, you''ll see his average sitting at around 6.75showing how much the 7. .31 v Sunderland is an improvement for him this year.Thanks.[/quote] Reminds me of when I play chess against my intellectual friend. My success rate is 20%. When I ply my stuff against the youngest of my grandchildren my success rate climbs to an amazing 95%. I have to be careful with the older grandchildren, however, as it drags me back to my seasonal average of 50%. [;)] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TCCANARY 263 Posted March 25, 2014 [quote user="YankeeCanary"][quote user="Canary On The Wire"]and if you go on WhoScored via the link and look at Bassong''s performances across the whole season, you''ll see his average sitting at around 6.75showing how much the 7. .31 v Sunderland is an improvement for him this year.Thanks.[/quote] Reminds me of when I play chess against my intellectual friend. My success rate is 20%. When I ply my stuff against the youngest of my grandchildren my success rate climbs to an amazing 95%. I have to be careful with the older grandchildren, however, as it drags me back to my seasonal average of 50%. [;)][/quote] Well you insist on playing inverted Bishops, I''ve told you it doesn''t work and how you are persisting with those Rooks in that formation I''ll never know. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted March 25, 2014 But surely, Spurs and Villa offered far more going forward than Sunderland did. Does that not make it more difficult by default to get a good rating against them as a defender?What have his scores been over the season? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PurpleCanary 5,554 Posted March 25, 2014 [quote user="TCCANARY"][quote user="YankeeCanary"][quote user="Canary On The Wire"]and if you go on WhoScored via the link and look at Bassong''s performances across the whole season, you''ll see his average sitting at around 6.75showing how much the 7. .31 v Sunderland is an improvement for him this year.Thanks.[/quote] Reminds me of when I play chess against my intellectual friend. My success rate is 20%. When I ply my stuff against the youngest of my grandchildren my success rate climbs to an amazing 95%. I have to be careful with the older grandchildren, however, as it drags me back to my seasonal average of 50%. [;)][/quote] Well you insist on playing inverted Bishops, I''ve told you it doesn''t work and how you are persisting with those Rooks in that formation I''ll never know. [/quote]It''s not just that. Yankee always tries to move his pieces backwards, including the pawns...[:P] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YankeeCanary 0 Posted March 25, 2014 [quote user="TCCANARY"][quote user="YankeeCanary"] [quote user="Canary On The Wire"]and if you go on WhoScored via the link and look at Bassong''s performances across the whole season, you''ll see his average sitting at around 6.75showing how much the 7. .31 v Sunderland is an improvement for him this year.Thanks.[/quote] Reminds me of when I play chess against my intellectual friend. My success rate is 20%. When I ply my stuff against the youngest of my grandchildren my success rate climbs to an amazing 95%. I have to be careful with the older grandchildren, however, as it drags me back to my seasonal average of 50%. [;)][/quote] Well you insist on playing inverted Bishops, I''ve told you it doesn''t work and how you are persisting with those Rooks in that formation I''ll never know.[/quote] I know exactly what you mean. It seems every time I risk going forward with one of those things I have nothing to back it up and I immediately reverse direction. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
YankeeCanary 0 Posted March 25, 2014 [quote user="PurpleCanary"][quote user="TCCANARY"][quote user="YankeeCanary"] [quote user="Canary On The Wire"]and if you go on WhoScored via the link and look at Bassong''s performances across the whole season, you''ll see his average sitting at around 6.75showing how much the 7. .31 v Sunderland is an improvement for him this year.Thanks.[/quote] Reminds me of when I play chess against my intellectual friend. My success rate is 20%. When I ply my stuff against the youngest of my grandchildren my success rate climbs to an amazing 95%. I have to be careful with the older grandchildren, however, as it drags me back to my seasonal average of 50%. [;)][/quote] Well you insist on playing inverted Bishops, I''ve told you it doesn''t work and how you are persisting with those Rooks in that formation I''ll never know. [/quote]It''s not just that. Yankee always tries to move his pieces backwards, including the pawns...[:P][/quote] Check, mate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,509 Posted March 25, 2014 [quote user="Canary On The Wire"]Nutty,According to the ProZone model, here are Bassong''s overall match rating (scores derived from individual performance modules on tackling, passing, positioning, interceptions, aerial duels etc) EPL 23-02-2014 Norwich 1 : 0 Tottenham 90'' 6.58 EPL 02-03-2014 Aston Villa 4 : 1 Norwich 90'' 5.97 EPL 08-03-2014 Norwich 1 : 1 Stoke 90'' 6.57 EPL 22-03-2014 Norwich 2 : 0 Sunderland 90'' 7.31 I do hope you find them to be satisfactory evidence that Bassong has needed dropping for a good month, as he has been average to poor over the last month. [/quote] What about the games before you made your post against West Ham (7.1) and Man City (7.8)? This poorly formed argument about his poor form for a good month should surely include those games rather than two after the thread was started. And if you believe what those same stats say then our inverted winger is by far our best player this season. You see buddy, although I may not have any understanding of football I do recognise bellendary when I see it... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canary On The Wire 0 Posted March 26, 2014 Nutty,I think you do understand football and I would agree that Snodgrass has been one of our best players this season. By saying Hughton should be more dynamic in his use of the wide men is not to victimise Snoddy but to look at alternative solutions for getting the best out of RvW and Hooper. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canary On The Wire 0 Posted March 26, 2014 Furthermore, Bassong''s good performances against West Ham and Man City, like against Sunderland, were included in his average for the season. The fact it took him a whole month to conjure up another good performance is probably not coincidental with his dropping v Soton. It hopefully made him realise that he, too, is expendable, irrespective of his quality Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canary On The Wire 0 Posted March 31, 2014 Three down. I don''t suppose anyone else is going to mouth off sarcastically? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,509 Posted March 31, 2014 Well you just did buddy ;) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites