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Absolutely not ...

12 wins in the last 52 league games!

Over a goal scored in only 15 of his 70 league games!

He should have gone after we lost to Villa at Carrow Road earlier this season.

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Yes.If he manages to keep us up, which I think he will, then I think he''s the stability that the club needs. You can whine on about how much money he has had to spend all you like, but the fact is that we have a lot less than most clubs have to spend (whether or not you want further outside investment is a whole other debate) and it has been proven over the course of the season that our squad really is pretty thin on quality.His performance should be judged over the whole season, and if we have managed to accrue enough points to stay up based on our home form, then so be it. It is a basic premise in football that if you can win your home games, and make yourself hard to beat on the road, you''ll do okay.Frankly, if we stay up and we sack him, I wonder how many of you moaning about Hughton now, will be trotting out the same moans about a new manager, this time next season?Like it or not, we''re a small to medium sized fish in a very large pond.

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So it''s about 30 nots, 1 only if, and 1 deluded twunt who''s goal seems to be mere survival even if it means plenty of no-shows and no change in the overall strategy of playing well followed by several sub-par performances.

Plenty of teams have similar funding and produce a more entertaining show. Blaming it on money is weak. YYYAAAAAWWWWNNNN

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For someone who claims to be a lecturer of some sort, you really are embarrassingly stupid.Care to name those "plenty of teams"?

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No.

If you think Hughton''s assignment was to get fewer points, avoid relegation with a record low points-for-survival, turn off the travelling fans, and bore the general public to limit any overseas appeal, then you are the stupid one.

You have become a source of derision on here.

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[quote user="Houston Canary"]No.

If you think Hughton''s assignment was to get fewer points, avoid relegation with a record low points-for-survival, turn off the travelling fans, and bore the general public to limit any overseas appeal, then you are the stupid one.

You have become a source of derision on here.

.[/quote]You seem to have omitted your list of teams that play more entertaining football on the same budget.....

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"You can whine on about how much money he has had to spend all you like, but the fact is that we have a lot less than most clubs have to spend........"

and you can whine that we have a lot less than most clubs?

Hughton sp*unked well over £20m on four attack-minded players in the summer, and with a paltry return of 10 PL goals between them, they are a pale shadow of the players the club thought they had bought. The blame for this can be laid squarely at the feet of the coaching team. Hughton cas cost this club dear with the fall in value of it''s playing staff.

"It is a basic premise in football that if you can win your home games, and make yourself hard to beat on the road, you''ll do ok."

So by your own mantra, Hughton isn''t even getting the basics right.

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[quote user="unique"]"You can whine on about how much money he has had to spend all you like, but the fact is that we have a lot less than most clubs have to spend........"

and you can whine that we have a lot less than most clubs?

Hughton sp*unked well over £20m on four attack-minded players in the summer, and with a paltry return of 10 PL goals between them, they are a pale shadow of the players the club thought they had bought. The blame for this can be laid squarely at the feet of the coaching team. Hughton cas cost this club dear with the fall in value of it''s playing staff.

"It is a basic premise in football that if you can win your home games, and make yourself hard to beat on the road, you''ll do ok."

So by your own mantra, Hughton isn''t even getting the basics right.[/quote]If you think that 20 million is a lot in Premiership terms then you''re a bit behind the times. Didn''t Southampton spend 15 on a single player?Our squad is barely good enough, and if the players don''t agree with the coaching wheres the moans and groans, the player revolts? Because it looks very much to me like they are still playing for the manager. Take a look at West Brom if you want to see a dressing room imploding.I didn''t say he was doing everything right, did I?

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[quote user="morty"][quote user="unique"]"You can whine on about how much money he has had to spend all you like, but the fact is that we have a lot less than most clubs have to spend........" and you can whine that we have a lot less than most clubs? Hughton sp*unked well over £20m on four attack-minded players in the summer, and with a paltry return of 10 PL goals between them, they are a pale shadow of the players the club thought they had bought. The blame for this can be laid squarely at the feet of the coaching team. Hughton cas cost this club dear with the fall in value of it''s playing staff. "It is a basic premise in football that if you can win your home games, and make yourself hard to beat on the road, you''ll do ok." So by your own mantra, Hughton isn''t even getting the basics right.[/quote]

If you think that 20 million is a lot in Premiership terms then you''re a bit behind the times. Didn''t Southampton spend 15 on a single player?

Our squad is barely good enough, and if the players don''t agree with the coaching wheres the moans and groans, the player revolts? Because it looks very much to me like they are still playing for the manager. Take a look at West Brom if you want to see a dressing room imploding.

I didn''t say he was doing everything right, did I?
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Yes 25million is not a great deal of money in the grand scheme of the premiership and yes if we survive then Hughton has fulfilled the primery goal for another season no doubt. No team no matter how long in the premeirship, (ask Fulham & other) has a right to build and be safe each season. Next season we might well, whoever in charge be mid table all season but that guarantees nothing the following season, given our budget and attraction to players.

 

We will always be fighting relegation at some point and as pointed out by others we will get relegated again one day!

 

That''s all well and good but there is no doubt that Hughton is going to be talked about long after he''s gone, due to splitting the fans more than any other manager and should he go in the summer (looking likely) and we stay up a lot of people & pundits alike will raise an eyebrow!

 

For me as I have said it''s not only the points but the way we have under performed in 60% of games this year, only in the last two months have we improved at home but our away form is so poor it''s depressing, so bad that the players now pay for fans travel! :-)

 

If we stay up Hughton would have done the job, but should he really keep his job with such a lack of passion, organisation and lack of impact when we are losing, he can''t appear to change games!

 

He has to go for me, even if I don''t think he''s as bad as some make out, BUT only if we can attract a better standard of manager, I don''t want to remove Hughton and replace him with a run of the mill Malkey type manager, that does not move us onor improve things.

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Things haven''t been right for a long time.its not a one off, this win a game and play well, then lose and play badly.

Surely it''s better to play and try and win than dig in your pocket and reimburse fans for their tickets. I can only assume it was the distance they traveled to watch that drivel that forced that decision. So many bad performances away from home. My son went to Villa. He can''t complain too much, though, he got a free coach ride.

Back to the question. My answer is no. Two seasons is quite enough, thank you.

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[quote user="Bury Yellow"]Absolutely no way. That bloke and his mates have inflicted misery and frustration but then thick head Shearer wants to know ''what''s going on down there''.

In fact he''s the only one who could do a worse job than our current incumbent. What marvellous irony![/quote]

2 people who could be charged by trading standards!

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I thought McNally clearly stated Hughton''s objective was to keep us out of the bottom three, something he has managed to do for the majority of his tenure.
This thread is frankly pointless, if we stay up then he will be staying and why shouldn''t he.

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No.

If you think Hughton''s assignment was to get fewer points, avoid relegation with a record low points-for-survival, turn off the travelling fans, and bore the general public to limit any overseas appeal, then you are the stupid one.

You have become a source of derision on here. ME. :)

You seem to have omitted your list of teams that play more

entertaining football on the same budget....

You seem to have lost the ability to read. I said No. Pretend you don''t know who they are, ignore the main points, and respond with childish churlish insults. Then have anothrr drink. For a lubricant rigger, you drink a lot. Are you the one it''s tested on?

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No, because he is taking us backwards, at an alarming rate.

Quite frankly how anyone can defend his record is laughable. If he keeps us up, fine, but it won''t be for a "job well done" - it will be because the teams below us were just as bad. We''ll be lucky to stay up this year so how anyone could call it "good management" is a complete joke.

I seriously can''t believe that some of you are contemplating another season of this absolute dogsh!t. A season of lose, lose, win token "must-win" game at home to get manager off the hook, then lose, lose and lose badly. Is that really the height of your ambitions? Get a grip.

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[quote user="Houston Canary"]So it''s about 30 nots, 1 only if, and 1 deluded twunt who''s goal seems to be mere survival even if it means plenty of no-shows and no change in the overall strategy of playing well followed by several sub-par performances.

Plenty of teams have similar funding and produce a more entertaining show. Blaming it on money is weak. YYYAAAAAWWWWNNNN[/quote]The only team with a lower squad value than us and are higher in the table are Hull. Are they who you had in mind by "plenty?"Yeah, what''s money got to do with it. Bigger Yawn.

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[quote user="JF"]Hell no. P45 straight after the season has finished with a new man soon in place to have the time needed to prepare for next season.[/quote]

 

Huzzah! [Y]

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Our little run of form last season hid a lot of issues, many of which have resurfaced this time when we were led to believe that after surviving second season syndrome we would be progressing.

Sadly (and I say that because as an individual CH comes across very well) it hasn''t worked out. Blindly hoping that things will change is shortsighted and foolish. There is no stigma to changing manager, sometimes things work out and sometimes they don''t. This Board have given this management team every thing they could have to take us forward and have, rightly or wrongly, remained stoic in the face of significant concern amongst supporters and a poll before Hull showing 85% wanted a change.

It hasn''t worked out. There are, moreover, no signs suggesting that it will work out. Change is required.

[footnote: there may be a case for a change straight after Fulham, assuming that we beat WBA. If you accept the proposition that anything out of the last 4 games would be a bonus, it may be possible to achieve a "bounce" and get players playing for their places in a no-lose situation for a new manager knowing that everything will be up for review over the summer]

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WBA is hardly an example of a dressing room imploding.

Some of the team took umbrage with one player who surrendered possession to Cardiff, and Cardiff went on to equalise and therefore cost WBA two extra points.

Far better than seeing the hang-dog expressions on the faces of the City players after they concede their first goal in each and every away match.

All that it proves is that the WBA players are taking their predicament seriously and will clearly be up for the fight on Saturday.

Three points that certainly cannot be taken for granted.

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[quote user="Ginja"]This thread is frankly pointless, if we stay up then he will be staying and why shouldn''t he.[/quote]

Agreed.  Its not about "inners" and "outers" either.   It''s about what will happen given a certain set of circumstances.  Stay up and he stays - there has been a huge investment in this manager and his squad, so if there is any chance we can improve next season under him, we should take it.  There are no guarantees it would improve under a new manager - and to spend millions reshaping a squad in a new manager''s image would be a huge gamble of resources.  

New players in the Summer, strengthen the squad, fresh start next season, get the confidence up and things can change quite quickly.   Frankly, if we stay up, it would be ludicrous to part with a manager who is succeeding on limited resources in keeping a club in the premier league two seasons in a row - and building a way of playing that will sustain that in the long term.    Its not always pretty and we''ve yet to get more consistency, but the job is an ongoing one. 

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I am in agreement with all of the well-informed, reasonable posters.

Why on Earth can''t we expect a manager to achieve mid-table security on a limited budget in the most competitive league in the world whilst playing attractive, stylish football; winning the majority of our home games and being successful away? It beggars belief that we should settle for this fool of a manager!

Ahem.

On a serious note, I''d say we go with Hughton for another season and see what comes of it. He''s proven himself as far as securing our Premier League status (I hope i''m not jinxing anything here), so it''ll be interesting to see if he can improve the football and the team for another season.

I''m not suggesting everything''s wonderful at the moment, but it could be a whole lot worse! The reaction after the Sunderland game, even on this forum, showed that it doesn''t take much for people to see things in a little bit more of a positive light.

So YES.

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Although I admire your positive outlook LDC, I fail to see that any player has achieved an acceptable level of consistency this season, nor has any player visibly improved as a player.

If this squad was sold en masse, NCFC would obtain far less than if it had been sold before the season started.

There is no doubt that the majority of Norwich supporters and a large number of neutrals, we''re expecting Norwich to be pushing towards the top ten this season. There has been no progress whatsoever, and our final points total is looking as though it will end up way short of last season.

Ending up 17th cannot be regarded as a success. It will be the absolute bare minimum requisite and way short of all pre-season expectations. Factor in the style, the regular away under-performances, and the disenchantment amongst a huge proportion of the supporters, unless there are some miracle results in the final six games, Hughton will hopefully be released from his managerial ineptitude.

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I am definately struggling with this, and admit to changing my mind on a regular basis depending on what weekend result and performance we have just had. BUT......right now, even though I could understand why he may go.....I am of the view that providing the season ends with us avoiding the drop he should stay and continue the gradual evolvement of the squad that he started (and he was clearly missing a few pieces this season).

I would also like to see some strengthening of his coaching team, always liked the way Harry had specialist coaches at Spurs, a Joe Jordan type for the strikers would be great I think.

I just see enough in those better performance to believe that with another close season behind him we will see a step up in squad quality and depth and a further improvement in respect of the percentage of good performances vs average or lousy......I am sure I could have put that better, but thats how I feel about it right now. It is though a close run thing no doubt.....oh so I am a YES.........today :-) 

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