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Do you now decide what''s relevant to be posted on here? If people ignore you are you another retort with report merchant?

 

 

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in this instance, yesI posted up "if a game is open to the public there is little a club can do"you replied with some guff about FA rules, which had NO relevance to my point about a game that is open to the public so stop trying to twist the point

 

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Well in this instance and future instances I''ll post what I think is relevant because as far as I''m concerned what you think is irrelevant.

 

 

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"but there''s no reason why you couldn''t tell us which players you

unearthed and are now (or have been) playing in the higher leagues"
Maybe that''s why he isn''t scouting now, he couldn''t find any!

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[quote user="Le Juge"]"but there''s no reason why you couldn''t tell us which players you

unearthed and are now (or have been) playing in the higher leagues"
Maybe that''s why he isn''t scouting now, he couldn''t find any! [/quote]It wouldn''t be right of me to name players that I recommended in a professional capacity.Sometimes it was about saying who not to sign. A manager would call me and say that he was interested in a particular player. I would go to a match to see the player and then the manager would call me back within a couple of days. Bizarrely enough, on every such occasion I said not to sign the player in question and they never did. I always made the right call.I would sometimes be notified by a chief scout or manager that the club would be looking for a player to play in a particular position and I would be asked to forward my suggestions. My track record was fantastic.Sometimes I would see a really great prospect that would be a bargain but a manager wouldn''t be interested in taking it further simply because they were not looking to sign a player in that position at that time. It became frustrating for me to then see the player go on to much better things with another club.I would also do opposition match reports. Basically, it was form filling and drawing diagrams of what teams do at set-pieces etc. A lot of clubs now don''t have much of a scouting network and management teams have become heavily reliant upon using agents.

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[quote user="tom cavendish"][quote user="Le Juge"]"but there''s no reason why you couldn''t tell us which players you

unearthed and are now (or have been) playing in the higher leagues"
Maybe that''s why he isn''t scouting now, he couldn''t find any! [/quote]It wouldn''t be right of me to name players that I recommended in a professional capacity.Sometimes it was about saying who not to sign. A manager would call me and say that he was interested in a particular player. I would go to a match to see the player and then the manager would call me back within a couple of days. Bizarrely enough, on every such occasion I said not to sign the player in question and they never did. I always made the right call.I would sometimes be notified by a chief scout or manager that the club would be looking for a player to play in a particular position and I would be asked to forward my suggestions. My track record was fantastic.Sometimes I would see a really great prospect that would be a bargain but a manager wouldn''t be interested in taking it further simply because they were not looking to sign a player in that position at that time. It became frustrating for me to then see the player go on to much better things with another club.I would also do opposition match reports. Basically, it was form filling and drawing diagrams of what teams do at set-pieces etc. A lot of clubs now don''t have much of a scouting network and management teams have become heavily reliant upon using agents.[/quote]I admire your modesty Tom but surely you can give us one player''s name just to shut the doubters up.

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[quote user="lappinitup"][quote user="tom cavendish"][quote user="Le Juge"]"but there''s no reason why you couldn''t tell us which players you unearthed and are now (or have been) playing in the higher leagues"

Maybe that''s why he isn''t scouting now, he couldn''t find any!

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It wouldn''t be right of me to name players that I recommended in a professional capacity.

Sometimes it was about saying who not to sign. A manager would call me and say that he was interested in a particular player. I would go to a match to see the player and then the manager would call me back within a couple of days. Bizarrely enough, on every such occasion I said not to sign the player in question and they never did. I always made the right call.

I would sometimes be notified by a chief scout or manager that the club would be looking for a player to play in a particular position and I would be asked to forward my suggestions. My track record was fantastic.

Sometimes I would see a really great prospect that would be a bargain but a manager wouldn''t be interested in taking it further simply because they were not looking to sign a player in that position at that time. It became frustrating for me to then see the player go on to much better things with another club.

I would also do opposition match reports. Basically, it was form filling and drawing diagrams of what teams do at set-pieces etc.

A lot of clubs now don''t have much of a scouting network and management teams have become heavily reliant upon using agents.
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I admire your modesty Tom but surely you can give us one player''s name just to shut the doubters up.
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My son is an excellent prospect, quick, two footed and an eye for goal, do you think you could put a word in for him Tom?

 

 

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Tom showing that he is talking complete b***locks again...

You do not go through the admin dept to get a complimentary ticket for the game, this is all done by the club secretary. Or if it is a youth game the youth club secretary. Also as a scout you would not contact a club directly, the club you are working on behalf of has to contact.

For instance Gregg Broughton who is a scout for NCFC has to ask NCFC to contact for arguments sake Stevenage for a pass or ticket for the match.

With the greatest of respect Tom Cavendish, I do not believe you are a scout and as I have told you before you are not known in the professional game.

Also an interesting point for youth matches played at training grounds etc, some teams escort scouts onto the site and into a ''holding pen'' usually two goals put together, this way they can not communicate freely with players.

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[quote user="Yobocop"]Tom showing that he is talking complete b***locks again...

You do not go through the admin dept to get a complimentary ticket for the game, this is all done by the club secretary. Or if it is a youth game the youth club secretary. Also as a scout you would not contact a club directly, the club you are working on behalf of has to contact.

For instance Gregg Broughton who is a scout for NCFC has to ask NCFC to contact for arguments sake Stevenage for a pass or ticket for the match.

With the greatest of respect Tom Cavendish, I do not believe you are a scout and as I have told you before you are not known in the professional game.

Also an interesting point for youth matches played at training grounds etc, some teams escort scouts onto the site and into a ''holding pen'' usually two goals put together, this way they can not communicate freely with players.[/quote]You seem to have completely misunderstood what I wrote. The club I''d be working for would sort out the complimentary tickets for me. For example, I would be asked by a Chief Scout or manager if I could go to a particular match for them. If I wanted to do it, then they would ask the admin department to send through the request for complimentary tickets to the home club.If there was a match that I wanted to watch off my own back, then I would just email a contact in the admin department direct (of the club I''d be working for) and tell them which match I wanted to go to and CC''d the Chief Scout so that he was aware. Occasionally a club secretary would deal it themselves but it was mostly delegated depending upon the club or the admin structure at the time.

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Why on earth would he post on here if he wasn''t a scout?! Surely i could become a scout if i really wanted to - it''s not ''that'' unbelievable is it?!

I was under the impression many of them worked reasonably independent of the club i must admit.

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SkiJT, yes that is the case but you can just tell by the way he talks that he is talking utter BS

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[quote user="lappinitup"]I admire your modesty Tom but surely you can give us one player''s name just to shut the doubters up.[/quote]Bump. If you can''t tell us players names Tom, can you at least tell us if you''ve unearthed any gems?

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Oh; he''s unearthed LOADS of gems, Lappin. He was EXCEPTIONAL at it! If only his ''employers'' had listened to his recommendations.

etc.

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[quote user="Skijumptoes"]Why on earth would he post on here if he wasn''t a scout?! Surely i could become a scout if i really wanted to - it''s not ''that'' unbelievable is it?!

I was under the impression many of them worked reasonably independent of the club i must admit.[/quote]Most scouts that I knew had jobs outside of football with flexible enough working

hours to enable them to do some scouting as and when required. There are

variations as to how scouts are affiliated to clubs.

Sometimes a chief scout & scouts will stay at a club through changes

of manager and sometimes they will leave to follow a manager. Sometimes

some scouts will stay whilst others follow the manager because some

scouts only want to work for the club they support.I wasn''t

involved in scouting for players to join youth systems. Youth academies

had their own people doing that mostly in their local area. The main

reason why was that clubs were restricted as to how far away they could

sign youth players. The rules have since changed to allow some academies

to sign youth players from further afield. Besides, some managers were

not particularly bothered about which youth players were signed because

their main concern was first-team results in the short-term.

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These posts from Tom Cavendish are a joke...yeah ? I cannot believe some people on this thread are hanging on his every word. The man is Walter Mitty.

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[quote user="tom cavendish"][quote user="Le Juge"]"but there''s no reason why you couldn''t tell us which players you

unearthed and are now (or have been) playing in the higher leagues"
Maybe that''s why he isn''t scouting now, he couldn''t find any! [/quote]It wouldn''t be right of me to name players that I recommended in a professional capacity.Sometimes it was about saying who not to sign. A manager would call me and say that he was interested in a particular player. I would go to a match to see the player and then the manager would call me back within a couple of days. Bizarrely enough, on every such occasion I said not to sign the player in question and they never did. I always made the right call.I would sometimes be notified by a chief scout or manager that the club would be looking for a player to play in a particular position and I would be asked to forward my suggestions. My track record was fantastic.Sometimes I would see a really great prospect that would be a bargain but a manager wouldn''t be interested in taking it further simply because they were not looking to sign a player in that position at that time. It became frustrating for me to then see the player go on to much better things with another club.I would also do opposition match reports. Basically, it was form filling and drawing diagrams of what teams do at set-pieces etc. A lot of clubs now don''t have much of a scouting network and management teams have become heavily reliant upon using agents.[/quote]

have you ever thought that are you are Napoleon as well, at any time ?

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[quote user="TIL 1010"]These posts from Tom Cavendish are a joke...yeah ? I cannot believe some people on this thread are hanging on his every word. The man is Walter Mitty.[/quote]Well I believe him anyway. Just look at his CV.........[quote user="tom cavendish"]I always made the right call.My track record was fantastic.[/quote]And earlier......[quote user="tom cavendish"]My track record was fantastic in spotting good players......the manager would call to ask my opinion. I never got one wrong.......I was told that my opposition match reports were excellent......[/quote]I''m well impressed. I just wish he''d tell us some of the wonderful players he''d signed.

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expert in everything from stadium location funding and buld to scouting.

If so invaluable to any football club why isnt he employed as a scout now? Or did I miss his tenure as Glenn Roeder?

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I''m still a bit confused as to who made the call, him or the manager.For someone supposedly excellent at his job I am rather perplexed as to know why he then considered it bizarre that the manager''s took his advice, as - "Bizarrely enough, on every such occasion I said not to sign the player in question and they never did"Or how he know that a player was a ''bargain'', what access did he have to that player''s contract ?" Basically, it was form filling and drawing diagrams of what teams do at set-pieces etc. "which a step up from basket weaving, as in the old days

But this is the pinkun forum, where wiz watched games without three roofs and LDC lives in the Lake District 300m from Norwich - I''m sure each gets something out of their lies....... but it is beyond me.

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This all started when Tilly took him to task on his stadium plans at the UEA, cavendish went on the offensive claiming he was some sort of super scout.

I''ll reiterate, tom cavendish is not known in professional football.

To carry on this chirade for over two years is a bit much isn''t it?

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[quote user="Yobocop"]''ll reiterate, tom cavendish is not known in professional football.

To carry on this chirade for over two years is a bit much isn''t it?[/quote]I very much doubt that you have called every football manager and chief scout that has worked in professional football over the last 20 years. Even if you have, you don''t seriously think that I use my real name on a public forum?

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