Norwich/Hughton Man Utd/Moyes

[Matt Morriss 69]

To all those saying its not the manager its the players take a look at Man Utd. Same squad, same players, different manager and they''ve been a completely different team this season. They look a complete shadow of their former selves.

The team that won the league last season.

So to all those people excusing Hughton, he''s the manager, the buck stops with him. We are poor as a direct result of the management team just like Moyes and Utd.

[SeattleCanary 0]

[quote user="Huckerbys Boots - Matt"]To all those saying its not the manager its the players take a look at Man Utd. Same squad, same players, different manager and they''ve been a completely different team this season. They look a complete shadow of their former selves.

The team that won the league last season.

So to all those people excusing Hughton, he''s the manager, the buck stops with him. We are poor as a direct result of the management team just like Moyes and Utd.[/quote]

Top post, fully agree [Y]

Neither of them have the cojones or the nous to manage at their expected levels.

Moyes = mid to upper table shoe string budget manager.

Hughton = Championship or yoyo team.

[Rogue Baboon 0]

David Moyes is hopelessly out of his depth - FA Cup finalist, finished 4th once managing a team expecting to fight for the league, cups & CL

[Darth Catbeard The Old 0]

Similar tactical philosophies as well, one that''s never going to be accepted by fans. Remember Everton fans weren''t too down when he left and have looked pretty awesome under Martinez at times this year while maintaining a similar position they''ve occupied under Moyes at the best of times.

[Robert Barnes 20]

You can not compare us with teams like man u. Man city chelkski arsenal liverpool they are supposed to go out and win every game they play.we are norwich city we will win and we will lose games.we will never win every match that we play.so why is it the managers fault.if the team is still the same as last year.they should not have forgot how to play same players same team same game as last year the manager is not on the field

When the whistle blows to start the game its the 11 players responsibilty to perform

[City 2nd 193]

Robert Barnes wrote the following post at 2014-03-03 7:16 PM:

You can not compare us with teams like man u. Man city chelkski arsenal liverpool they are supposed to go out and win every game they play.we are norwich city we will win and we will lose games.we will never win every match that we play.so why is it the managers fault.if the team is still the same as last year.they should not have forgot how to play same players same team same game as last year the manager is not on the field

When the whistle blows to start the game its the 11 players responsibilty to perform

You are as naive as Hughton. And in case you didn''t notice, we were NO better last season. And when the whistle blows it''s the team HE puts out, playing to HIS game plan and HIS tactics!

[SeattleCanary 0]

[quote user="City 2nd"]Robert Barnes wrote the following post at 2014-03-03 7:16 PM:

You can not compare us with teams like man u. Man city chelkski arsenal liverpool they are supposed to go out and win every game they play.we are norwich city we will win and we will lose games.we will never win every match that we play.so why is it the managers fault.if the team is still the same as last year.they should not have forgot how to play same players same team same game as last year the manager is not on the field

When the whistle blows to start the game its the 11 players responsibilty to perform

You are as naive as Hughton. And in case you didn''t notice, we were NO better last season. And when the whistle blows it''s the team HE puts out, playing to HIS game plan and HIS tactics![/quote]

I''ll add to that. It isn''t the same players as last season. HE bought players in that either aren''t performing, or aren''t good enough. He''s the manager, and is paid for the buck to stop with him.

[Aggy 944]

Man Utd - won everything for the best part of two decades. Champions comfortably last season. This season - struggling in high mid table and at best pushing for UEFA cup qualification. IE; massively under performing in comparison to their usual expected standards, and in comparison with what a pretty much similar squad did last season.

Norwich City - spent most of the last two decades in the second tier. Last season finished mid table, reasonably comfortably in the end. This season, still closer to the top half points wise than we are the relegation zone. IE; about where you''d expect us to be.

I''ve said it before and will no doubt say it again - why do people think we should be doing better than 10 or 11 other teams in the division? Most of them have been up more seasons than us or have wealthier owners, and are paying much higher wage bills/transfer fees. Most of them have swapped managers and are STILL not pulling out of this massive group of distinctly average bottom half premier league sides. Yet apparently, we are supposed to be and Hughton is under performing in not getting us comfortably into the top half?

[ReadingCanary 0]

The thing with Moyes... is everyone said it was amazing what he managed to do at Everton.But just look what Martinez is doing there at the moment !!!Was Moyes even that good at Everton?

[Satoshi Nakamoto 0]

@Aggy - I think you''re missing the point of the original post.The comparison that is being made here is not with the absolute level of performance between us and Man U, but the difference that leadership makes.Moyes has substantially the same squad as Ferguson, but is getting far less out of them.In my opinion Hughton is similarly unable to get the Norwich squad to perform to their maximum potential.  We have the odd good game (Spurs, Man City) but overall the level of performance, relative to what the squad is capable of, is poor.Also we suffer from very brittle morale - as soon as we concede, heads go down.  If Spurs had scored against us, I think that they would have gone on to win.This is why I think we need fresh leadership.