Hoolahan transfer request rejected!

[Reggie Strayshun 0]

[quote user="Buh"]The reason he didn''t get on against hull is nothing to do with he fact we needed him, and we did btw.

It''s because he has been orchastrating this transfer request with his agent.[/quote]Utter twaddle.If what you say is the case, he wouldn''t even be on the bench, Buh. He''d have been left out in the cold completely.

[Jim Smith 2,317]

[quote user="Indy"]

Let''s be honest, if Hughton wants Wes then the last two games were there for him to play.

 

The Fulham game was one where he should have started! I said after that game, that Hughton must be saving him for the Hull game, but alas no!

 

Given the injuries of late and even with short number in midfield Wes has been over looked. I believe Wes has been a great servent of the club and deserves the respect of the board to be allowed to move on if he is not in Hughton''s plans.

 

On the other side, anything near 2.5 million for Wes is a good sum of money and can be put towards a replacement, I think someone mentioned Will Hughes, that might be out of our league, but why not make a cheaky bid.

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Watching Derby against Leicester recently Will Hughes looked nowhere near ready for the premier league. Ok clearly the kid has talent to be attracting the interest that he is but I was expecting an awful lot more given the sums of money i''ve heard banded about. We are not in a position where we can sell Wes and bank on someone so young and raw coming in and making an impact.

[Mr Jenkins 0]

Buh wrote the following post at 22/01/2014 8:58 AM:

The reason he didn''t get on against hull is nothing to do with he fact we needed him, and we did btw.

It''s because he has been orchastrating this transfer request with his agent.

That would be why he was on the bench then

[Bury Green 0]

Like many others I''ll be sad to see him leave, he''s been a wonderful servant to the club and is synonymous with a truly exceptional period in the clubs history

With just a handful of years left in top flight football ahead of him I really can appreciative why he wants one more decent payday before he either has to step down the footballing ladder or retire.

Shame though, they''ve all pretty much gone from the glorious 4-1 + 1-5 = 9-2

[Aggy 755]

Not quite sure why Lincoln is taking so much flak for the criticism of Hughton''s man management. I get the feeling he dislikes Hughton a lot more than I do, and that he probably wants Hughton out - which I don''t at the moment - but I would agree with him on the man management bit. Especially for players outside of the main 11/12/13 or so players. It very much seems that you''re either part of the "in" crowd or not. Yet Hughton - and some fans on here - seem to expect those not part of the "in" crowd to accept it and just play four or five games a season whenever injuries get so bad we haven''t got any other option but to play them.

Some players will be happy doing that, but others won''t. Hoolahan appears not to be happy doing that and would rather go to a club where he feels valued.

[Tumbleweed 106]

I probably would have taken off RVW who by then had faded and put on Hoolahan just to shake it up a bit. Or perhaps rather than Pilkington whom it was nice to see back but didn''t affect the game at all.

Not every squad player can start every game so just because he is not a regular does not mean he is not worth keeping.

[chicken 0]

This has smacks of last season about it. I expect he''ll go in the summer. Maybe to Celtic, anywhere but Villa.

[whoareyou? 0]

McNally has to do what is best for NCFC not Wes or his agent.If he goes to Villa he will still only be a bit part player i suspect and certainly only a short term fix.Nice of Lambert to shit stir once again and unsettle the club.

[Reggie Strayshun 0]

[quote user="Tumbleweed"]I probably would have taken off RVW who by then had faded and put on Hoolahan just to shake it up a bit. Or perhaps rather than Pilkington whom it was nice to see back but didn''t affect the game at all.

Not every squad player can start every game so just because he is not a regular does not mean he is not worth keeping.[/quote]I tend to agree with your first point, TW, but despite what some would have us believe, the fact that Wes has barely featured this season indicates quite strongly that he does not come into CH''s plans.The guy who sits in front of me at matches , whenever there is a call for Wes to be brought on, always says ''oh no...it''s not the right game for him'', regardless of the opposition or situation . So, I''ve got ask; what, exactly IS the ''right'' game for Wes ? That''s where I have trouble with your second point TW .  If we are really saying that Wes is a specialist player who can only be used in very rare specific circumstances (eg against Man U ?) then, as far as I''m concerned that is a luxury a club like Norwich cannot afford, so no, he is NOT worth keeping, assuming we get a realistic offer for him.

[Snoots 0]

It''s probably already been said on here so I apologise if so but as Lambert wants Hoolahan we definitely shouldn''t let him go. We are vying with Villa to avoid the drop so why allow them to take a player that they obviously think highly off to team up with Holt to score more goals to avoid the drop.

[ZLF 274]

now is the time to get the best price by getting villa to pay over the odds. but we need squad option more than the cash.

I suspect he will go if we can sign a replacement - if not he will go in the summer.

Love wes, will be sad to see him leave but it inevitable now he has handed a request in and made it public. Lets get the best price without making the squad smaller

[norfolkngood 1,087]

I don''t think he scores or creates enough for top level maybe that''s the tactics hughton or his skill level ?

we need a player in his position that is going to chip in with say 10 goals a season and create as many goals can we get that type of player here ?

those players cost a lot of money but also have to be played with correct tactics ( which I don''t think we use ! )

hughton prefers strong grafters than flair and that''s why we play as we do no flair grinding out results every 3 to 4 games

[CambridgeCanary 0]

[quote user="Tumbleweed"]I probably would have taken off RVW who by then had faded and put on Hoolahan just to shake it up a bit. Or perhaps rather than Pilkington whom it was nice to see back but didn''t affect the game at all.

Not every squad player can start every game so just because he is not a regular does not mean he is not worth keeping.[/quote]

I agree but if Hughton had taken off a striker and then not won the game he would have been sacked and there might have been riot. The Mr Angry a few rows in front of me was screaming that Ricky was taken off for Becchio. He wanted three strikers. One would have given him a stroke. He is not alone in this. It was wholly unrealistic to bring Wes on unless we were losing and there was an all or nothing gamble.

[CambridgeCanary 0]

[quote user="norfolkngood"]

I don''t think he scores or creates enough for top level maybe that''s the tactics hughton or his skill level ?

we need a player in his position that is going to chip in with say 10 goals a season and create as many goals can we get that type of player here ?

those players cost a lot of money but also have to be played with correct tactics ( which I don''t think we use ! )

hughton prefers strong grafters than flair and that''s why we play as we do no flair grinding out results every 3 to 4 games

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Fair enough. Juan Mata it is then

[lake district canary 4,531]

[quote user="Snoots"]It''s probably already been said on here so I apologise if so but as Lambert wants Hoolahan we definitely shouldn''t let him go. We are vying with Villa to avoid the drop so why allow them to take a player that they obviously think highly off to team up with Holt to score more goals to avoid the drop.[/quote]

As the table stands at the moment we are vying with Villa for a mid-table slot.    Hughton himself said that after the win on Saturday its good to be able to look up the table rather  than down.    A good result against Newcastle would further that view - and the Hull result will have boosted the team''s confidence and togetherness.  

[GPs Beard 0]

We can get a little carried away with this , first and foremost Wes is looking for a payday. Going to Villa ticks a few other boxes but Wes, like most other players of his age have one eye on the future. This is , of course, encouraged by his agent.

 

Michael Bailey suggested last night on twitter that Wes had been to see the CEO to ask for a contract extension? And as a result of the "no"   slung in the transfer request. An interesting twist to the accepted view that Wes simply wants to go to Villa.

 

In truth, I suspect that Wes will spend as much time getting splinters at villa as he does here. To play him you need to fit the team around him , and that isn''t always possible. It isn''t just Hughton that think it, so did Trapattoni, and even on occasions Lambert.

 

I must say the "injury" before the cup game is really disappointing though isn''t it?

 

But as McNally says. "That''s Football"

[CambridgeCanary 0]

I am a bit surprised that there has been no discussion of Wes'' statement issued last night. He says he made his decision to request a transfer after speaking to David McNally and that it is in the best interests of all that he leaves.

It seems that there has been an attempt at negotiation but unsuccessfully so. That in turn opens the possibilities that we are determined to keep him or, he wants to go to Villa and we will not permit that.

[CambridgeCanary 0]

Here it is:

"Following a meeting with the club chief executive, I felt I had no option but to hand in transfer request, I have noted that request has been turned down - however I believe it is in the best interest of Norwich, for whom I have the greatest respect, and myself that I am allowed to move on and play my football elsewhere."

[Orford65 0]

Villa can have him in the summer - not that Lambert will want him by then anyway!

[GPs Beard 0]

Keep him, and loan him to the Binners-  he can stand in the mud at Portaloo and watch the ball being humped over his head in the Mad Mick Stylee. That''ll teach the little bugger.

[Beefy is a legend 224]

There is of course every chance that Wes has attempted to leverage a contract extension out of the situation, but that given he will be nearly 33 by the end of his current deal, the Club is understandably not prepared at this stage to offer a longer deal.

Hence Wes then slapping in the transfer request. A fairly similar situation to Holt in the summer that PL left.

Players will naturally try to engineer situations to their own advantage. Personally I have no problem with that. The Club has the right to say ''no'' and in 9 days time it''s likely that Wes will have to get on with remaining at NCFC.

[lake district canary 4,531]

[quote user="CambridgeCanary"]Here it is:

"Following a meeting with the club chief executive, I felt I had no option but to hand in transfer request, I have noted that request has been turned down - however I believe it is in the best interest of Norwich, for whom I have the greatest respect, and myself that I am allowed to move on and play my football elsewhere."[/quote]

This is an agent speaking.  Does he have the same agent as Holt, because it sounds like it?

[Block Y Seat 176 80]

When Hoolahan came here from Blackpool this is the quote from Oston

"There is a clause in Wes''s contract which allows him to move for a certain fee. However much we have resisted that and tried to keep him, Wes sees his future elsewhere. It''s unfortunate but I fully understand his position.

Whats the betting that Wes has a similar clause here.

Hd

[Shaun Tilly Lace 0]

Maybe the board should suggest that WHOton plays him once in a blue moon then.

[Ginja 26]

[quote user="haisbrohacker"]When Hoolahan came here from Blackpool this is the quote from Oston

"There is a clause in Wes''s contract which allows him to move for a certain fee. However much we have resisted that and tried to keep him, Wes sees his future elsewhere. It''s unfortunate but I fully understand his position.

Whats the betting that Wes has a similar clause here.

Hd[/quote]

I doubt it with McNally in charge.

If Hoolahan had such a clause then handing a transfer request in wouldn''t be necessary, someone would just conveniently leak the information and Villa would conveniently offer just the right amount.

[Warren Hill 0]

[quote user="Truculent Trucker"]Maybe the board should suggest that WHOton plays him once in a blue moon then.[/quote]

 

Let the board pick the team!!!! Why didn''t we think of that before....?????

 

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[Beefy is a legend 224]

[quote user="Truculent Trucker"]Maybe the board should suggest that WHOton plays him once in a blue moon then.[/quote]

He started against Man Utd and Palace. But don''t let the facts get in the way of your argument.

[Syteanric 1]

so the first team manager decides he wants to keep a player and not sell to our rivals, thus perhaps strengthening their position and weakening ours yet is scum of the earth for it?

The player on the other hand isn''t playing, has been refused a new contract at his age, and has thrown his toys out of the pram and wants to leave us mid season rather than see the year out and help us as much as he can...

 

Hoolahan Out!

[Reggie Strayshun 0]

[quote user="Beefy is a legend"]. The Club has the right to say ''no'' and in 9 days time it''s likely that Wes will have to get on with remaining at NCFC.[/quote]Well we shall see , Beefy. I''m sure you''ll agree that there is plenty of water left to flow under this particular bridge over the next 10 days?I would agree with you up to a point, but I''m sure if AV  (or anyone else for that matter) come up with a decent offer (1.5 to 2 mil) then he''ll be sold . I know there''s all this emotional ''we mustn''t sell him to Lambert'' stuff from fans, but, frankly that counts for nought when cold hard cash comes into the equation. That sum is still, even today, a significant amount for a club like Norwich. Particularly for a 32 yo, who is near the end of his contract.In the end, it''ll be more a test of how badly Lambert wants him, and how desperate Wes is to get away.

[Monty13 2,233]

"But don''t let the facts get in the way of your argument."

As usual, especially in a thread about Wes, there are not many facts being used in anyone''s argument Beefy.

People suggesting he can''t cut it at this level, he''s only useful in the diamond, or arguing about this years number of appearances either have very short memories or need to do some minor research.

He started 25 games for Lambert in the prem, 28 games for Hughton last year. He''s so far started only 5 this year - can kind of understand why he''s unhappy.

He doesn''t score enough goals - I must have missed Hooper''s supporting partners in RVW and Elmander''s goals? Because Wes only scored 3 in a tough campaign last year and so far those two players have one between them, that''s worse isn''t it? (I''m not beating both those players, just pointing out facts, as a team we don''t score many at the moment)

He doesn''t create enough - 3 assists last year isn''t great but then a lot of our goals came from dead ball situations. He got 8 the year before putting him level or better than such flops as Cabaye, Giggs, Pienaar, Ramsey etc.

We should replace him with someone who scores at least 10 a season - Do people realise there are only around 25-30 players a season that get into double figures for combined goals and assists in the PL and the vast majority were extremely expensive and play for the top 7-8 teams in the league, and those that don''t are usually strikers.

We have only had 4 players do this in the previous 2 seasons. Holt (twice), Morrison, Snodgrass and Wes.

As with a lot else on here people are living in a dream world if they expect us to have a 10 goal a season creative number 10.

Don''t get me wrong, he''s not irreplaceable and we were obviously desperate to replace him in the summer, as I said earlier, but we didn''t. The guy is still PL quality and if we don''t want to utilise him than I don''t blame him for wanting to play somewhere he will be. Not saying we should let him, but why all the hate?