Juggy 0 Posted January 29, 2014 If they win today (and they are currently winning) they are going to be outside of the relegation zone. What a meteoric rise they are having after being rock bottom, unable to score, and conceding multiple goals most weeks.There was a poster on here who almost daily was saying that changing a manager changes nothing. In Sunderland''s case it seems to be changing a lot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Brownstone 0 Posted January 29, 2014 Hasn''t worked out too badly for Palace either. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanaryOne 0 Posted January 29, 2014 Pullis and Poyet have improved those teams in just a few weeks , in almost 2 seasons Hughton has taken us backwards . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The ghost of Michael Theoklitos 0 Posted January 29, 2014 Not so much for Fulham though. It seems obvious, but it would all depend on who was brought in as to if there would be a change or not.It''s not the change of manager, it''s the manager that ends up in the job that counts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Houston Canary 0 Posted January 29, 2014 So changing managers DOES work. We''ve gotten steadily worse since we last changed ours. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tony Cottee Woz Ere . . . 0 Posted January 29, 2014 That would be Ricardo, but to be fair if you''ve been unfortunate enough to read his posts, you should know by now the rule of thumb is to disregard it for the bias guff that it so regularly is. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NECanary (Trowse Canary?) 0 Posted January 29, 2014 Changing a manager undoubtedly works in some instances. Some players feel better after a clean slate is put in front of them, others find themselves able to better express themselves as they have a renewed interest in putting forward their own input, aware that seniority have yet to form opinions about them.Some player discover that a certain management style afford them much more self belief...they are given greater freedom and so become more proactive, or they given enough structure and routine to allow discipline to form their careers...It works in the same principles as any other job.I could have just described any boss/worker relationship in either the private or public sectors in our country. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jack Flash 13 Posted January 29, 2014 [quote user="CanaryOne"]Pullis and Poyet have improved those teams in just a few weeks , in almost 2 seasons Hughton has taken us backwards .[/quote]Although point must be made, both are still below us in the Table! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norfolkngood 1,086 Posted January 29, 2014 also Tottenham playing better since changed mangers I bet Cardiff will come good too !why ever did we leave it as it was in December let the new man have a transfer window ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Surfer 1,547 Posted January 29, 2014 Right - Tottenham currently down 1-3 at home of course... and changing manager has helped Cardiff, Fulham, West Brom (or even Stoke or Man United?) Change managers isn''t always a positive change. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanaryOne 0 Posted January 29, 2014 [quote user="Surfer"]Right - Tottenham currently down 1-3 at home of course... and changing manager has helped Cardiff, Fulham, West Brom (or even Stoke or Man United?) Change managers isn''t always a positive change.[/quote]We would have to be seriously unlucky to get somebody worse than Hughton , he is fast becoming more hated than Roeder. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Surfer 1,547 Posted January 29, 2014 Tottenham 4-1 down at home now... sounds like a reversion to the form they had before they changed manager? IMO the point being made was changing managers may work for some teams, but usually only works in the short term, or for those woefully underperforming relative to their available player talent. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Juggy 0 Posted January 29, 2014 "Tottenham currently down 1-3 at home of course"5th in the league! Much higher than they were when they sacked AVB. "and changing manager has helped Cardiff"Has only been three weeks, bit early to judge considering Solksjear has literally only just brought in players."Fulham"Higher in the league now then they were when sacking Jol."West Brom"Higher in the league than they were when they sacked Clarke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Juggy 0 Posted January 29, 2014 "Tottenham 4-1 down at home now... sounds like a reversion to the form they had before they changed manager?"They are playing Man City with 10 men you bloody imbecile! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoda 0 Posted January 29, 2014 Chelsea have had 29 shots to West hams 1 yet it''s still 0-0 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Surfer 1,547 Posted January 29, 2014 " They are playing Man City with 10 men you bloody imbecile! " So if we lose 5-1 at home to Man City in a couple of weeks will you be as accommodating to our manager? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanaryOne 0 Posted January 29, 2014 [quote user="Surfer"]" They are playing Man City with 10 men you bloody imbecile! " So if we lose 5-1 at home to Man City in a couple of weeks will you be as accommodating to our manager?[/quote]If we play like we did last night they will put 10 past us , better hope they are not in the mood. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norfolkngood 1,086 Posted January 29, 2014 Tottenham are play better under Sherwood than they did under AVB Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Juggy 0 Posted January 29, 2014 Tottenham had 16 points in 5 games before tonight and have just been beaten by the team who have just gone top of the league having won 8 league games in a row, have put 6 past Arsenal this season and have a +38 goal difference.If you think that''s poor form then you are an idiot, and if you think our situations are comparable then you are an idiot. Spurs were mid-table under AVB and now they are 5th. I wouldn''t expect you to attempt to put any sort of context to results. I mean.... not like Spurs didn''t concede 6 goals to Man City earlier in the season with 11 men on the pitch under their previous manager is it? Oh.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Juggy 0 Posted January 29, 2014 I meant 16 points in 6 games of course. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Brownstone 0 Posted January 29, 2014 Depends on the manner of the defeat I''d imagine.I remember the lads getting a standing ovation after losing 6-1 to City, because they gave their all, had a go and were in the game for 70 minutes, before ultimately running out of legs.A repeat of the spineless 7-0 no show at the Etihad and it''s probably going to get unpleasant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanaryOne 0 Posted January 29, 2014 We should have made the move for Poyet when he was available , quite a few thought he would be a good choice to replace Hughton . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrs miggins 0 Posted January 29, 2014 sunderland couldn''t do any worse than they were doing, crystal palace look like they could get relegated, cardiff are now bottom, west brom look no different. We haven''t looked very good this season but are mid table. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn''t. atm i don''t want to find out Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Surfer 1,547 Posted January 29, 2014 And if we had changed our manager where in your opinion do you think we would be in the table? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Juggy 0 Posted January 29, 2014 I don''t answer stupid questions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrs miggins 0 Posted January 29, 2014 you just ask them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,384 Posted January 29, 2014 The only unexpected result tonight was W Hams point at Chelsea. They had one shot and one on target. Chelsea had 39 shots 9 on target and 72% possession.Funny old game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fleckys Flip-Flop 0 Posted January 29, 2014 A quick point on changing manager;Worthy replaced by Grant, replaced by Roeder replaced by Gunn... so it was on the fourth go (Lambert) that things actually improved. In fact they got steadily worse.The point is that it isn''t the change itself that works. Hughes, Meulensteen and Solskjaer (so far) are showing that. It often has immediate results if the previous incumbent has ''lost the dressing room'' as Di Canio certainly seemed to have, but that doesn''t seem the case here. On the whole it is a risky move. You need an excellent candidate who will suit your club and players. I''m not sure that person is out there right now.Don''t get me wrong, we need a change somewhere, but when we are sitting 12th in the league, closer to the top half than the relegation zone, it really doesn''t make any sense (from a boardroom perspective) to change things just because the fans are bored of the style of play. It is effective enough right now when you compare our results with those around us. (Hull, Stoke, Swansea, West Brom, West Ham,Cardiff and Fulham have all taken less points than us in the last 10 games) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samwam27 527 Posted January 29, 2014 Everyone moaned how useless we were losing 7-0 to Man c.Spurs, alledgedly a top six team lost 6-0 to man c under AVB, and now 5-1 at home to them under their new manager!Changing a manager doesn''t prove anything. Some improve, some don''t. There''s no golden formula. For all the Hugton haters who say he has taken us backwards, even though we''re currently in 12th, just who would you have instead, that a) we could get, & b) could guarantee they''d do better.You can''t so please give it a rest! Oh yes, Spurs are doing better cuz they only lost 5-1 this time round under their new manager! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Year of the tiger 54 Posted January 29, 2014 [quote user="Surfer"]Right - Tottenham currently down 1-3 at home of course... and changing manager has helped Cardiff, Fulham, West Brom (or even Stoke or Man United?) Change managers isn''t always a positive change.[/quote]But equally it isn''t always a negative as some would suggest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites