BarclayWazza 91 Posted December 21, 2013 1. PLEASE STOP THE INVERTED WINGERS! Many valid comments on the match thread about this but our strikers need quick whipped balls into the box (high and low) not checks back inside and floated balls in.2. More timely subs and positive tactical changes. That game was there for the taking today, none of this rubbish about a good point away from home - they''d played 120 minutes in midweek and they were the ones pressing with a high line today. It was crying out for changes but nothing forecoming until 75th minute.3. Snodgrass to put earlier balls into the box. Lost count of the number of times he tries to turn or get past a player when a quicker ball in is the better option.4. As most of us seem to recognise this and after a season and a half of Hughton seemingly unable to, if we can''t get the first 3 could we please have Hughton out so someone more capable can make this team realise its potential. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Buh 0 Posted December 21, 2013 Why didn''t you just say "HOOTUN OOT BUH!"It''s much quicker to type out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrs miggins 0 Posted December 21, 2013 well you''ve basically got 2 points there. Number 1 and 3 go hand in hand and number 4...well say no more Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BarclayWazza 91 Posted December 21, 2013 [quote user="Buh"]Why didn''t you just say "HOOTUN OOT BUH!"It''s much quicker to type out.[/quote]Because I like to make logical reasoned arguments ;-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lake district canary 4,531 Posted December 21, 2013 Barclaywazza. Snodgrass appeared on the left today quite often, interchanging with Redmond. Not so much second half because of the pressure we were under. Its a good tactic. But I agree, Snodgrass looks too predictable and weak floating in crosses from the right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Load of Squit 5,135 Posted December 21, 2013 is a Dukla Prague away strip. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWC 239 Posted December 21, 2013 Can people please remember that it was Snoddy''s first game back from an injury. He was never going to be at his very best. I am suprised he made the starting XI. Snoddy will get better and his performances will improve. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
iron_stan 0 Posted December 21, 2013 the inverted wingers thing wont change unless we sign a natural pacey left footed winger, which will see snodgrass either sold or dropped to the benchhughtons substitutions and inability to affect a game positively form the sideline is his biggest weakness, but whos going to get him to change that ? i dont think we played for the draw, i hink we just rubbish in the 2nd half, which is more worrying. I dont really like the way hughton seems happy with a point post match though, sunderland are bottom of the table for a reason. doesnt fill me with optimism, the jury is still out Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
splutcho 173 Posted December 21, 2013 I would say, from an ''inverted cross'' Snodgrass planted the ball right on the head of Hooper who should have done much better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BarclayWazza 91 Posted December 21, 2013 We have a naturally pacy right footed winger who is wasted on the left at the moment and while Snod can''t take much flack for 1st game back from injury, my criticism is based over the whole season and is on decision making, not anything linked with fitness.Hughton happy with a point against the bottom side who''d played 120 minutes midweek... I made a point in another thread about Lambert going for the win in these games - If they result in a win as often as they do a loss then it''s still more points! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BarclayWazza 91 Posted December 21, 2013 [quote user="splutcho"]I would say, from an ''inverted cross'' Snodgrass planted the ball right on the head of Hooper who should have done much better.[/quote]We''re not blessed with the best aerial strikers so the ball has to be of a consistent superior quality for it to be effective. Neither Snod or Redmond strengths at the moment. With natural wingers, you have the option on low and high balls into the box. I''d wager most strikers would prefer those kind of crosses. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,717 Posted December 21, 2013 Hughton isn''t Lambert. Get over it ffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister Chops 7 Posted December 21, 2013 This is just a lame boil-down of this equally lame Pink Un article:I would treat both with the same respect that I give to a spot on the end of my nose. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister Chops 7 Posted December 21, 2013 Let''s try that lame article link again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Norfolk Mustard 94 Posted December 21, 2013 [quote user="Mister Chops"]Let''s try that lame article link again.[/quote]That article sums up most of my views! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BarclayWazza 91 Posted December 21, 2013 Not once will I say I want Lambert back - I don''t. I want a manager who will make the most of the best squad we''ve probably ever had. Whether that''s Hughton or someone else I don''t care, just I don''t think Hughton is capable. And when you''ve had someone who successfully showed what can be done by having a go, it shows up what Hughton is doing. Safety first Hughton won''t get us relegated but he won''t progress us as a team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,509 Posted December 21, 2013 But we are progressing as a team and a club... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BOO 0 Posted December 21, 2013 nutty nigel wrote the following post at 21/12/2013 6:24 PM:But we are progressing as a team and a club... Where too? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BarclayWazza 91 Posted December 21, 2013 Apologies Chops, I hadn''t read Powles'' article and glad I didn''t!! Hopefully mine made for better reading :-)Nige - do you honestly believe Hughton is making the most of what is at his disposal? In terms of quality of players, yes we are moving forward. In terms of managerial nous we''re in need of an upgrade. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,509 Posted December 21, 2013 I''m certain we are. The whole club is progressing. If the first team doesn''t progress we will be relegated. Make no mistake about that. But the whole club is progressing. If supporters can''t have pride in where we are now then they never will. It''s no longer about "look how far we''ve come" but about "look how far we continue to go". If you don''t think what we have achieved is progression then please explain what would be? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BarclayWazza 91 Posted December 21, 2013 It''s hard to say, approaching the half way point we''re below where we were last season in league position, playing football I''d hardly call entertaining. So in that aspect I think we have regressed. However we have probably the best squad we''ve ever had and on the soundest financial footing ever. Depends what you''re looking for. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,509 Posted December 21, 2013 So what are you looking for Wazza? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BOO 0 Posted December 21, 2013 What is the next step from mid table mediocrity for a team like us Nigel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BarclayWazza 91 Posted December 21, 2013 Improved league position through a number of things I think are currently missing: more entertaining football and improved use of substitutions and tactical changes. Actually pretty much what I said I wanted for Christmas ;-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BarclayWazza 91 Posted December 21, 2013 And to pre-empt any potential traps, I don''t care whether that is with or without Hughton, I just personally don''t think he''s capable of it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BarclayWazza 91 Posted December 21, 2013 Ooh ooh and a cup run would be nice! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,509 Posted December 21, 2013 Last season we improved league position. Had a cup run to the quarters in the league cup and saw some epic games against some of the very best sides in Europe. This seaon isn''t even half over yet and we''re on course for another good one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Gay Schoolboy 0 Posted December 21, 2013 [quote user="nutty nigel"]But we are progressing as a team and a club...[/quote]Are we really? I can''t really see any difference between how we play now, and the sort of points per game we''re picking up, than when Hughton first took over.You can see he''s doing a good job results wise for sure but I''m not sure you can say we''re progressing, we''re treading water relatively comfortably in lower mid table and that doesn''t look like changing in either direction. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,509 Posted December 21, 2013 [quote user="Dandy Mountfarto"][quote user="nutty nigel"]But we are progressing as a team and a club...[/quote]Are we really? I can''t really see any difference between how we play now, and the sort of points per game we''re picking up, than when Hughton first took over.You can see he''s doing a good job results wise for sure but I''m not sure you can say we''re progressing, we''re treading water relatively comfortably in lower mid table and that doesn''t look like changing in either direction.[/quote] That''s the unfortunate reality of this league I''m afraid. Every season is pretty much the same. Teams have to progress to tread water. I think we did better than tread water last season and I hope we do this. I''ve continually said I think we''ll finish with 45/50 points and pushing for top half. Taking the league as a whole both Swansea and WBA progressed last season but have probably regressed this. This season Southampton look to have progressed the most but the proof will be in the final league table. The reality is that there''s a chance of a couple of surprises in the top half each season but the clubs can never sustain it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,509 Posted December 21, 2013 [quote user="Dandy Mountfarto"][quote user="nutty nigel"]But we are progressing as a team and a club...[/quote]Are we really? I can''t really see any difference between how we play now, and the sort of points per game we''re picking up, than when Hughton first took over.You can see he''s doing a good job results wise for sure but I''m not sure you can say we''re progressing, we''re treading water relatively comfortably in lower mid table and that doesn''t look like changing in either direction.[/quote] That''s the unfortunate reality of this league I''m afraid. Every season is pretty much the same. Teams have to progress to tread water. I think we did better than tread water last season and I hope we do this. I''ve continually said I think we''ll finish with 45/50 points and pushing for top half. Taking the league as a whole both Swansea and WBA progressed last season but have probably regressed this. This season Southampton look to have progressed the most but the proof will be in the final league table. The reality is that there''s a chance of a couple of surprises in the top half each season but the clubs can never sustain it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites