Syteanric 1 Posted January 14, 2014 [quote user="Dandy Mountfarto"][quote user="jas the barclay king"]How many games do we give him?[/quote]10 games into the new manager''s reign seems fair[/quote]If the club dont sack Hughton then how many games does rvw get?He wont be here next season Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tetteys Jig 830 Posted January 14, 2014 Maybe that''s it, he''s a misfit.Surely due dilligence was done when we got him as to how he plays. He''s had half a season (on and off the pitch) to adapt his game to suit our style and we''ve had the same amount of time to adapt to his.We should be meeting in the middle somewhere, but it appears he hasn''t been integrated whatsoever. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Gay Schoolboy 0 Posted January 14, 2014 [quote user="jas the barclay king"]If the club dont sack Hughton then how many games does rvw get?He wont be here next season[/quote]Given that the number of strikers with good scoring records that Hughton has completely nullified is bordering on the farcical, I don''t think its really fair to judge any striker on how they perform in a Hughton team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peateabee 0 Posted January 14, 2014 [quote user="City 2nd"]peateabee wrote the following post at 2014-01-15 2:00 AM:No he is not a flop. Why on earth are people so keen to write him off? It seems that a lot of people on here would really like than to see him fail for some unfathomable reason. He is a good player - one of our best. Any player can lose form, and particularly strikers (just look at Benteke) and it''s not surprising it''s hard for him to find it again in a team that is playing so poorly. Besides even when he is off form he is still twice the player of Elmander. We need Van Wolfswinkel - Get behind him. Lose form - what form are you talking about - 1 goal is not form FFS. The guy is a total misfit, full stop, at best a championship striker, and that is where he is heading at this moment in time.[/quote]Lose form in terms of him personally - his career - 5 months in terms of a career is a loss of personal form. Before he came to Norwich he was pretty much always ''on form'' - he had a top class goal scoring record. He has certainly not adjusted well to life in the Premier League and with the upheaval of moving clubs either it seems. But frankly even if this is a good as he is going to get - he is still our second best striker and I can''t see the point of getting on his back at the moment - it is a lose - lose situation if we do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted January 14, 2014 Cantiaci, you do talk some rubbish. Lambert WAS our best ever manager, but he''s only doing marginally better at Villa than Hughton is here, despite having some equally large (if not larger) names. There are no guarantees in football.The main problem with our players is that people expect huge things from those who have not experienced this league before, because they come with a big price tag and/or reputation. They obviously have very fragile confidence at the moment, and it doesn''t seem that Hughton has the ability to turn it around.I still would not class any players as flops, but RVW definitely is struggling to adapt to the league. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skeps 0 Posted January 14, 2014 i think next season is a better time to judge him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indy_Bones 441 Posted January 15, 2014 [quote user="Jimmy Smith"]He''s had half a season (on and off the pitch) to adapt his game to suit our style and we''ve had the same amount of time to adapt to his.We should be meeting in the middle somewhere, but it appears he hasn''t been integrated whatsoever.[/quote]Yes, because you don''t sign a striker noted for his finishing and natural goal poaching and then ask him to play as a burly target man FFS!It''d be like asking Carroll to start playing for Barca and integrate flawlessly into their tiki-taka style of play despite him never seeing a ball in the air and having the touch of an elephant on diazepam...It''s not up to the players to suddenly change their entire style of play just because the manager wants to misuse their talents, this is why Howson has rarely put in the performances we''ve seen he''s capable of when going forwards, why our attacking full backs are encouraged to focus purely on defending, and why one of our best signings this summer in Fer is looking totally confused at times because he''s being expected to perform all the midfield roles at once despite his key ability being that he''s a good ball carrier who can support the attack when needed.RVW was scoring goals for fun before he came here and worked with HughtonHolt was scoring goals for fun before he had to work with HughtonHooper was scoring goals for fun before he came here and worked with HughtonBecchio was scoring goals for fun before he came here and worked with HughtonEven Elmander managed to score 10 goals in his last season in the prem and now he can''t hit a cow''s backside with a banjo - since working with Hughton (and getting older to boot)See any pattern there, or are we really going to try and stick with the idea that RVW is a flop despite all the evidence which shows that it''s endemic to our strikers under Hughton??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indy_Bones 441 Posted January 15, 2014 Interesting to note in a recent interview with Meulensteen, he states that he thinks that RVW is a great player, that he expected him to have gone to a ''bigger'' club than us, and that they''d even discussed him whilst he was at Man Utd, but never took it further because obviously they had the money to buy better players e.g. RVP[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUkzt80eLng[/url] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paul 0 Posted January 15, 2014 When he came on last night he looked sharp and hungry and the main thing committed, which is more than can be said for a lot of the team last night.He needs decent service and we haven''t had that all season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tetteys Jig 830 Posted January 15, 2014 I think he''s there to be a Hernandez type finisher. He can''''t do 4-5-1 though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indy_Bones 441 Posted January 15, 2014 And to add to this even further, watch this vid:[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPfAiYOMCt8[/url]Notice how almost every single goal comes from a pass or cross into and around the 6 yard box, or is a ball played past the defender for him to run onto and finish.In none of them was he being asked to play with his back to goal or hold play up like Hughton seems to be asking him to do.He''s also getting some damn good supply from his midfield - whereas he isn''t getting that here.Really isn''t hard to see that the problem isn''t with RVW, it''s with the way we''re failing to support him and get the best out of his talents... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DistantCanary 0 Posted January 15, 2014 Try lamb, looks anything but a hungry ruthless striker.Maybe Hughtons tactics of starving strikers has demoralised him to the point of giving in? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tetteys Jig 830 Posted January 15, 2014 That video makes me want to cry. He''s clearly a good striker. Sporting are a team that play with the inventiveness he needs though, where he can flourish by doing what he does best, finding space to finish chances.None of this being the 6th man in midfield rubbish.He should be a guy who the likes of Man U worry to high hell about when we play them. They should think, if we don''t put this game to bed, RVW will nick a goal on the counter and Norwich will bury us.Not working though, is it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fr. Chewy Louie 137 Posted January 15, 2014 From watching that video, it does seem like defending isn''t a big thing in Portugal.Think he''d be good for an Everton or Southampton, but probably not the answer for our current situation, especially with our useless and ponderous final third passing. In the Everton game, I only remember one pass in front of him to run on to (from Fer?) and that move ended up with him getting a shot on target and winning a corner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hannibal II 0 Posted January 15, 2014 He is a different level of player we have had unfortunately the rest of the squad have not provided him with the service he needs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shaun Tilly Lace 0 Posted January 15, 2014 [quote user="Mr Brownstone"]Has he been given any service yet?[/quote]In a word, NO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites