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Wes started and played 73 min, replaced by shane long. He had a good game and the lovable puppy that is ex-Ip5w1ch manger roy keane was full of praise for him. Sure ,it was only Latvia, but the tracking back side of his game was excellent. A good performance from a player who has played a bit part for us this season. Listening to Irish radio dissect the game now as i type and they are saying he will be a key man for 2016 Euro Campaign. He''ll need more first team football for that surely. What does everybody else think, will he get it here or will he have to move on?

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Reckon he''s some way short of Premier League standard so time to move him on.  He''s a bit like a puppy I reckon, the first time he runs round in a circle chasing a ball you think that''s cute, and then ten years on you''re standing there watching the same thing and starting to think that''s time to take him to the vet for that special injection.

 

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Riiigghhhhhhhht.

So the player that, along with Holt, was the catalyst behind our rise from League 1 to the Premiership, and who continued that form in our first season and helped to keep us up, and who now finds himself struggling to break into a defensively minded setup, is suddenly deemed not good enough?

Perhaps its more the fact that Hughton, Calderwood and Trollope have no idea what to do with such a talent, and have failed miserably to coach and get the best out of arguably the most technically gifted player weve had at Carrow Road in years.

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[quote user="Huckerbys Boots - Matt"]Riiigghhhhhhhht.

So the player that, along with Holt, was the catalyst behind our rise from League 1 to the Premiership, and who continued that form in our first season and helped to keep us up, and who now finds himself struggling to break into a defensively minded setup, is suddenly deemed not good enough?

Perhaps its more the fact that Hughton, Calderwood and Trollope have no idea what to do with such a talent, and have failed miserably to coach and get the best out of arguably the most technically gifted player weve had at Carrow Road in years.[/quote]Yeah must be that, dont forget to add Trappatoni to that list aswell.

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if we were allowed 12 players he would play every weekthe problem is when he has an average game the rest of the team ends up having to carry him

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[quote user="Huckerbys Boots - Matt"]Riiigghhhhhhhht.

So the player that, along with Holt, was the catalyst behind our rise from League 1 to the Premiership, and who continued that form in our first season and helped to keep us up, and who now finds himself struggling to break into a defensively minded setup, is suddenly deemed not good enough?

Perhaps its more the fact that Hughton, Calderwood and Trollope have no idea what to do with such a talent, and have failed miserably to coach and get the best out of arguably the most technically gifted player weve had at Carrow Road in years.[/quote]Now, how''s that podcast coming on?

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I really can''t see how some fans (and Hughton) can consider Elmander to offer more on the pitch than Wes.

So he has his flaws and is a bit inconsistent, and in an ideal world we''d have got some fancy Roberto Baggio type to form a dream team with the new Van Persie.

The reality is that his place in the team is being taken by Elmander.

The biggest criticism of Hoolahan seems to be that he doesn''t score enough goals. Probably a valid one....

.... but only fair that we compare him man-to-man with the player taking his place, and so far with 0 goals and 1 assist in 8 in the league the odds don''t look great on Elmander beating Hoolahans Premier League record of 7 goals and 10 assists in 69 games in the Premier League for us.

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Have always had mixed feelings about the worth of Wes to us at the top level, but he has had opportunities, the latest of which was against Man Utd where, quite frankly, he looked well off the pace and contributed little to the match.   Did well against Latvia?..........wow

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Did we have any players against Man Utd who didn''t look "off the pace", lake district?

Redmond and Ruddy, that''s it.

Elmander started that game, what did he do exactly?

Hoolahan was one of 12 players out of 14 who looked terrible that day.

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[quote user="Le Juge"]Did we have any players against Man Utd who didn''t look "off the pace", lake district?

Redmond and Ruddy, that''s it.

Elmander started that game, what did he do exactly?

Hoolahan was one of 12 players out of 14 who looked terrible that day.[/quote]

Well, it is a team game and the team were poor.  What annoyed me most about Wes in particular that match were the occasions when he  appeared to switch off from what was going on around him and basically looked as if  he didn''t want to be involved.   The team were poor, but if your supposed main man in midfield isn''t doing it on the pitch, those around him are going to struggle too.  

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Yep. i thought he didnt play that well v man u. Kind of running around and forgetting to take the ball with him, passing wasnt great either. I dunno , always been a big fan of him, but lately he hasnt been able to get a run. We seem to have swapped one style of football for another and are starting to resemble bolton under sam allerdyce.

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I think people have picked up on Wes''s performance because he should have looked like he was playing to win his place back in the team.

Maybe that''s true, but the same also applies to Whittaker, Garrido, Johnson and Bennett.

I just can''t see why or how Hoolahan''s performance in that game should be singled out, because the whole starting XI were rubbish.

Just remembered that Ruddy didn''t play. Redmond and Murphy were the only bright lights.

Garrido was also terrible. Bet he is on just as much moolah as Hoolahan. The whole team was terrible.

Fer started that game also, and he was rubbish too, so not sure about "your supposed main man in midfield" being Hoolahan that day. Leroy Fer is supposed to be the big man in our midfield, and I bet his wage packet reflects that.

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You''re right Juge, but wasnt picking on holahan in particular, its just the topic of the thread, i agree ,pretty dire team performance altogether. Incidentally, Elmander sarted ahead of Toivonen again last night. Does any one know offhand if he came on,save looking it up .

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[quote user="Mister Chops"][quote user="Huckerbys Boots - Matt"]Riiigghhhhhhhht.

So the player that, along with Holt, was the catalyst behind our rise from League 1 to the Premiership, and who continued that form in our first season and helped to keep us up, and who now finds himself struggling to break into a defensively minded setup, is suddenly deemed not good enough?

Perhaps its more the fact that Hughton, Calderwood and Trollope have no idea what to do with such a talent, and have failed miserably to coach and get the best out of arguably the most technically gifted player weve had at Carrow Road in years.[/quote]Now, how''s that podcast coming on?[/quote]

Seriously? You sad, small little man.

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[quote user="Huckerbys Boots - Matt"][quote user="Mister Chops"][quote user="Huckerbys Boots - Matt"]Riiigghhhhhhhht. So the player that, along with Holt, was the catalyst behind our rise from League 1 to the Premiership, and who continued that form in our first season and helped to keep us up, and who now finds himself struggling to break into a defensively minded setup, is suddenly deemed not good enough? Perhaps its more the fact that Hughton, Calderwood and Trollope have no idea what to do with such a talent, and have failed miserably to coach and get the best out of arguably the most technically gifted player weve had at Carrow Road in years.[/quote]

Now, how''s that podcast coming on?

[/quote] Seriously? You sad, small little man.[/quote]

 

Were doing a podcast this Friday, will upload and link to it on here.

 

Does this refresh your memory ? Mind you this Friday is now last Friday.

 

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Our tactics are heavily reliant on getting the ball out to the wings asap and getting early crosses in..... Wes sadly isn''t suited to our attacking style. Hughton''s logic is to have an extra ''big man'' to be on the end of them.

I would certainly like to see Wes come off the bench more. One of Hughton''s main criticisms is that he is often unable to change the game tacticly... For me, that is easily solved (in the right game) by bringing on Hoolahan. It would certainly give us a different dimension.

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[quote user="TIL 1010"]

[quote user="Huckerbys Boots - Matt"][quote user="Mister Chops"][quote user="Huckerbys Boots - Matt"]Riiigghhhhhhhht. So the player that, along with Holt, was the catalyst behind our rise from League 1 to the Premiership, and who continued that form in our first season and helped to keep us up, and who now finds himself struggling to break into a defensively minded setup, is suddenly deemed not good enough? Perhaps its more the fact that Hughton, Calderwood and Trollope have no idea what to do with such a talent, and have failed miserably to coach and get the best out of arguably the most technically gifted player weve had at Carrow Road in years.[/quote]

Now, how''s that podcast coming on?

[/quote] Seriously? You sad, small little man.[/quote]

 

Were doing a podcast this Friday, will upload and link to it on here.

 

Does this refresh your memory ? Mind you this Friday is now last Friday.

 

[/quote]

Christ dont you start, you really got nothing better to do? We got pi$$ed and couldnt be bothered, is that ok?

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[quote user="Huckerbys Boots - Matt"][quote user="TIL 1010"]

[quote user="Huckerbys Boots - Matt"][quote user="Mister Chops"][quote user="Huckerbys Boots - Matt"]Riiigghhhhhhhht. So the player that, along with Holt, was the catalyst behind our rise from League 1 to the Premiership, and who continued that form in our first season and helped to keep us up, and who now finds himself struggling to break into a defensively minded setup, is suddenly deemed not good enough? Perhaps its more the fact that Hughton, Calderwood and Trollope have no idea what to do with such a talent, and have failed miserably to coach and get the best out of arguably the most technically gifted player weve had at Carrow Road in years.[/quote]Now, how''s that podcast coming on?[/quote] Seriously? You sad, small little man.[/quote]

 

Were doing a podcast this Friday, will upload and link to it on here.

 

Does this refresh your memory ? Mind you this Friday is now last Friday.

 

[/quote]

Christ dont you start, you really got nothing better to do? We got pi$$ed and couldnt be bothered, is that ok?[/quote]Better than okay, it''s actually a "win-win".

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[quote user="Mister Chops"][quote user="Huckerbys Boots - Matt"][quote user="TIL 1010"]

[quote user="Huckerbys Boots - Matt"][quote user="Mister Chops"][quote user="Huckerbys Boots - Matt"]Riiigghhhhhhhht. So the player that, along with Holt, was the catalyst behind our rise from League 1 to the Premiership, and who continued that form in our first season and helped to keep us up, and who now finds himself struggling to break into a defensively minded setup, is suddenly deemed not good enough? Perhaps its more the fact that Hughton, Calderwood and Trollope have no idea what to do with such a talent, and have failed miserably to coach and get the best out of arguably the most technically gifted player weve had at Carrow Road in years.[/quote]Now, how''s that podcast coming on?[/quote] Seriously? You sad, small little man.[/quote]

 

Were doing a podcast this Friday, will upload and link to it on here.

 

Does this refresh your memory ? Mind you this Friday is now last Friday.

 

[/quote]

Christ dont you start, you really got nothing better to do? We got pi$$ed and couldnt be bothered, is that ok?[/quote]Better than okay, it''s actually a "win-win".[/quote]

You got nothing better to do either? So i guess your damnation of our podcast gives you some sort of verbal victory in your small little mind, christ grow up man.

Your like the bitter little kid at school who wasnt good at anything and never tried to do anything, but would be negative and bash those who would.

Immature little boy. Yawn...

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[quote user="Huckerbys Boots - Matt"][quote user="Mister Chops"][quote user="Huckerbys Boots - Matt"][quote user="TIL 1010"]

[quote user="Huckerbys Boots - Matt"][quote user="Mister Chops"][quote user="Huckerbys Boots - Matt"]Riiigghhhhhhhht. So the player that, along with Holt, was the catalyst behind our rise from League 1 to the Premiership, and who continued that form in our first season and helped to keep us up, and who now finds himself struggling to break into a defensively minded setup, is suddenly deemed not good enough? Perhaps its more the fact that Hughton, Calderwood and Trollope have no idea what to do with such a talent, and have failed miserably to coach and get the best out of arguably the most technically gifted player weve had at Carrow Road in years.[/quote]

Now, how''s that podcast coming on?

[/quote] Seriously? You sad, small little man.[/quote]

 

Were doing a podcast this Friday, will upload and link to it on here.

 

Does this refresh your memory ? Mind you this Friday is now last Friday.

 

[/quote] Christ dont you start, you really got nothing better to do? We got pi$$ed and couldnt be bothered, is that ok?[/quote]

Better than okay, it''s actually a "win-win".

[/quote] You got nothing better to do either? So i guess your damnation of our podcast gives you some sort of verbal victory in your small little mind, christ grow up man. Your like the bitter little kid at school who wasnt good at anything and never tried to do anything, but would be negative and bash those who would. Immature little boy. Yawn...[/quote]

Now let me get this right.......YOU tell everybody on the worldwide web that you will be doing a podcast and would link on here.

The same YOU who asked if you and your drinking buddies come come to a forum with Darren Huckerby and carry out an interview and despite Darren being informed of your presence and front row seats reserved for you it was a no show and no follow up apology.

The same YOU who told me to go to the Coach and Horses where you would be happy to discuss all things NCFC over a pint but then failed to show up.

The same YOU who has thrown around words like "immature" and  "very sad little man " on this thread. Laughable really isn''t it ? [:|]

 

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[quote user="TIL 1010"][quote user="Huckerbys Boots - Matt"][quote user="Mister Chops"][quote user="Huckerbys Boots - Matt"][quote user="TIL 1010"]

[quote user="Huckerbys Boots - Matt"][quote user="Mister Chops"][quote user="Huckerbys Boots - Matt"]Riiigghhhhhhhht. So the player that, along with Holt, was the catalyst behind our rise from League 1 to the Premiership, and who continued that form in our first season and helped to keep us up, and who now finds himself struggling to break into a defensively minded setup, is suddenly deemed not good enough? Perhaps its more the fact that Hughton, Calderwood and Trollope have no idea what to do with such a talent, and have failed miserably to coach and get the best out of arguably the most technically gifted player weve had at Carrow Road in years.[/quote]Now, how''s that podcast coming on?[/quote] Seriously? You sad, small little man.[/quote]

 

Were doing a podcast this Friday, will upload and link to it on here.

 

Does this refresh your memory ? Mind you this Friday is now last Friday.

 

[/quote] Christ dont you start, you really got nothing better to do? We got pi$$ed and couldnt be bothered, is that ok?[/quote]Better than okay, it''s actually a "win-win".[/quote] You got nothing better to do either? So i guess your damnation of our podcast gives you some sort of verbal victory in your small little mind, christ grow up man. Your like the bitter little kid at school who wasnt good at anything and never tried to do anything, but would be negative and bash those who would. Immature little boy. Yawn...[/quote]

Now let me get this right.......YOU tell everybody on the worldwide web that you will be doing a podcast and would link on here.

The same YOU who asked if you and your drinking buddies come come to a forum with Darren Huckerby and carry out an interview and despite Darren being informed of your presence and front row seats reserved for you it was a no show and no follow up apology.

The same YOU who told me to go to the Coach and Horses where you would be happy to discuss all things NCFC over a pint but then failed to show up.

The same YOU who has thrown around words like "immature" and  "very sad little man " on this thread. Laughable really isn''t it ? [:|]

 

[/quote]

Never deal with Estate Agents, Til.

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[quote user="TIL 1010"][quote user="Huckerbys Boots - Matt"][quote user="Mister Chops"][quote user="Huckerbys Boots - Matt"][quote user="TIL 1010"]

[quote user="Huckerbys Boots - Matt"][quote user="Mister Chops"][quote user="Huckerbys Boots - Matt"]Riiigghhhhhhhht. So the player that, along with Holt, was the catalyst behind our rise from League 1 to the Premiership, and who continued that form in our first season and helped to keep us up, and who now finds himself struggling to break into a defensively minded setup, is suddenly deemed not good enough? Perhaps its more the fact that Hughton, Calderwood and Trollope have no idea what to do with such a talent, and have failed miserably to coach and get the best out of arguably the most technically gifted player weve had at Carrow Road in years.[/quote]

Now, how''s that podcast coming on?

[/quote] Seriously? You sad, small little man.[/quote]

 

Were doing a podcast this Friday, will upload and link to it on here.

 

Does this refresh your memory ? Mind you this Friday is now last Friday.

 

[/quote] Christ dont you start, you really got nothing better to do? We got pi$$ed and couldnt be bothered, is that ok?[/quote]

Better than okay, it''s actually a "win-win".

[/quote] You got nothing better to do either? So i guess your damnation of our podcast gives you some sort of verbal victory in your small little mind, christ grow up man. Your like the bitter little kid at school who wasnt good at anything and never tried to do anything, but would be negative and bash those who would. Immature little boy. Yawn...[/quote]

Now let me get this right.......YOU tell everybody on the worldwide web that you will be doing a podcast and would link on here.

The same YOU who asked if you and your drinking buddies come come to a forum with Darren Huckerby and carry out an interview and despite Darren being informed of your presence and front row seats reserved for you it was a no show and no follow up apology.

The same YOU who told me to go to the Coach and Horses where you would be happy to discuss all things NCFC over a pint but then failed to show up.

The same YOU who has thrown around words like "immature" and  "very sad little man " on this thread. Laughable really isn''t it ? [:|]

 

[/quote]

Sweet F******* Jesus

Im literally speechless by your reply. Have you got pictures of me on a dartboard in your house? Your kinda like an old woman actually, they never forget either. And what the hell are you rambling on about Hucks and some forum and table reserved and no show, what the hell are you talking about?

You really do seem to have a problem with me Tilson, do you want to explain exactly why? Or are your just a c*** who has a problem with a lot of people. You really strike me as a small minded pathetic man. Dredging up the past, quoting old arguments like a b***** woman. What does it say about you that you remember all that, id forgotten totally cause im not a sad c***, the Coach and Horses thing i vaguely remember and yes i didnt bother, really wish i had now I think you need to be put in your place mate.

And I really love the irony of it all, you disputing my immature and sad descriptions of you and Chops, when its you too that behave like f****** children whenever i post something. Youll recall earlier on this thread you both started with the verbal spikes, acting like two little bitches. I was just minding my own business, posting about Wes, and you both pop up with similar childish little comments having a pop at me, completely unprovoked i might add. Anyone would think you had a problem with me and the Hucks Boots website and podcast we used to do, god knows why. Childish pathetic little ''men'' the pair of you.

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[quote user="CDMullins"][quote user="Huckerbys Boots - Matt"]Riiigghhhhhhhht.

So the player that, along with Holt, was the catalyst behind our rise from League 1 to the Premiership, and who continued that form in our first season and helped to keep us up, and who now finds himself struggling to break into a defensively minded setup, is suddenly deemed not good enough?

Perhaps its more the fact that Hughton, Calderwood and Trollope have no idea what to do with such a talent, and have failed miserably to coach and get the best out of arguably the most technically gifted player weve had at Carrow Road in years.[/quote]Yeah must be that, dont forget to add Trappatoni to that list aswell.[/quote]

You can add Trappatoni yes, he played a strict, defensive 442. No room for Wes in that formation.

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[quote user="Huckerbys Boots - Matt"][quote user="CDMullins"][quote user="Huckerbys Boots - Matt"]Riiigghhhhhhhht.

So the player that, along with Holt, was the catalyst behind our rise from League 1 to the Premiership, and who continued that form in our first season and helped to keep us up, and who now finds himself struggling to break into a defensively minded setup, is suddenly deemed not good enough?

Perhaps its more the fact that Hughton, Calderwood and Trollope have no idea what to do with such a talent, and have failed miserably to coach and get the best out of arguably the most technically gifted player weve had at Carrow Road in years.[/quote]Yeah must be that, dont forget to add Trappatoni to that list aswell.[/quote]

You can add Trappatoni yes, he played a strict, defensive 442. No room for Wes in that formation.[/quote]

Maybe the message is there then.  To accommodate Wes you have to set your team up around him.   Is he good enough now, compared to the players we now have available, to set everyone else up around him?   I suggest we are trying to move on from setting up around one player because, simply, we don''t have to. 

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I still think that Hoolahan has a role to play for us, albeit diminishing and CH clearly thinks it less so than I do.

Apparently there is money waiting to be spent and the addition of a creative/attacking midfielder is a priority, IMO.

It would not surprise me at all if Wes were to move to a club like Wigan in January and thus following in Holt''s footsteps and probably after some input from the latter.

As has been pointed out, these two were pivotal in our rise up the ladder and Coyne would be aware of this..

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[quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="Huckerbys Boots - Matt"][quote user="CDMullins"][quote user="Huckerbys Boots - Matt"]Riiigghhhhhhhht.

So the player that, along with Holt, was the catalyst behind our rise from League 1 to the Premiership, and who continued that form in our first season and helped to keep us up, and who now finds himself struggling to break into a defensively minded setup, is suddenly deemed not good enough?

Perhaps its more the fact that Hughton, Calderwood and Trollope have no idea what to do with such a talent, and have failed miserably to coach and get the best out of arguably the most technically gifted player weve had at Carrow Road in years.[/quote]Yeah must be that, dont forget to add Trappatoni to that list aswell.[/quote]

You can add Trappatoni yes, he played a strict, defensive 442. No room for Wes in that formation.[/quote]

Maybe the message is there then.  To accommodate Wes you have to set your team up around him.   Is he good enough now, compared to the players we now have available, to set everyone else up around him?   I suggest we are trying to move on from setting up around one player because, simply, we don''t have to. 

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This setting up to accommodate one player argument is quite frankly ridiculous. Perhaps the argument was justified when we played the diamond. But we play a 4-5-1 and wes has no problem playing of the front man. We don''t change anything when wes plays there.

Remember it was only last season when Wes was still putting in some top performances. I have never understood the negativity surrounding wes. If he played for a rival club we''d be wetting ourselves with excitement if we were linked to him. Why are some so quick to right players off and crave a new signing to replace them? Wes is hardworking, creative, and loyal to the cause. I don''t want to see him go anywhere.

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So Matt, is that a yes to the podcast or what? I''m confused.

To be honest, i''ve got no idea what''s going on but your''e swearing a lot which suggests someones managed to get under your skin relatively easily. Thought i could perhaps do the same for giggles.

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