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Is LDC becoming the new Wiz on this board, in a similar way to how the negative player focus this season has moved on to Bradley Johnson from Turner or was it from Turner to Bradley Johnson? 

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Cant we all get along without personal crusades against particular posters? Everyone is entitled to their opinions, noones is any more valid than anothers. Far too many threads on here descend into personal feuds. Can we not just talk about the football without the personal attacks? It makes for ugly reading

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I agree with your essential point Massy but there is one canard I must challenge.

There is no logical link between the propositions that everyone is entitled to have an opinion and that everyone''s opinion is valid. I accept that everyone is entitled to have an opinion and that subject to the law of the land is entitled to express that opinion.

Everyone''s opinion is not equally valid. I am entitled to believe that the world is flat, that all the world''s heads of state are really seven foot lizards in disguise or that a director or a local football club has a conviction for a criminal offence which I made up. None of those opinions is valid and if I wish to express them then I will be shot down in flames.

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[quote user="CambridgeCanary"]I agree with your essential point Massy but there is one canard I must challenge.

There is no logical link between the propositions that everyone is entitled to have an opinion and that everyone''s opinion is valid. I accept that everyone is entitled to have an opinion and that subject to the law of the land is entitled to express that opinion.

Everyone''s opinion is not equally valid. I am entitled to believe that the world is flat, that all the world''s heads of state are really seven foot lizards in disguise or that a director or a local football club has a conviction for a criminal offence which I made up. None of those opinions is valid and if I wish to express them then I will be shot down in flames.[/quote]Unfortunately your caveat does not really hold water, Cambridge. The stuff you cite...Flat Earth, Seven foot Lizards , Criminal convictions, are all facts (or non facts) that can be proved or disproved easily.But most of what is stated on this board are opinions.....whether RvW  or Hooper is better, whether CH is the best man for the manager''s job, whether we will play 442 or 451 v Swansea, are not facts, just hunches or beliefs made by individuals or an individual.And, that in a nutshell is where too many of the usual suspects go wrong on this message board. They dress up opinions as facts. And then when people dispute them, they accuse the disputer of "manipulating facts"...the problem being ,of course, that they were never "facts" to manipulate in the first place.

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No Reggie, the argument is watertight.

As you rightly say, most opinions are arguable and therefore valid. My dispute is with the proposition that all opinions are valid which remains a canard. Taking your point, if you can prove that an opinion is factually incorrect then you prove that the opinion is not valid and thereby prove that not all opinions are valid. Only most of them.

I agree your other point that a major blight on this board is the insistence that some opinions are facts

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[quote user="CambridgeCanary"]No Reggie, the argument is watertight.

As you rightly say, most opinions are arguable and therefore valid. My dispute is with the proposition that all opinions are valid which remains a canard. Taking your point, if you can prove that an opinion is factually incorrect then you prove that the opinion is not valid and thereby prove that not all opinions are valid. Only most of them.

I agree your other point that a major blight on this board is the insistence that some opinions are facts[/quote]That''s not really what you said in the first posting, Cambs,but now you''ve clarified what you mean, then fair enough, it''s true.

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[quote user="Dubai Mark"]Is LDC becoming the new Wiz on this board, in a similar way to how the negative player focus this season has moved on to Bradley Johnson from Turner or was it from Turner to Bradley Johnson? [/quote]

 

He wants to be Mark...........sorry LDC.[;)]

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Guys,

Surely everone''s opinion is valid, to them, it may not be valid to you or anyone else but it is crammed full of validity to them, no matter what ''factual'' information is available, if they believe the earth is flat that is a valid belief to them.

That''s what makes for debate and discussion, you may of course decide to step away from the debate and that in itself is a valid stance for you to take, valid to you that is and surely that is all that counts, isn''t it??

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My point was rather specific to football discussion on this board. Of course across all fields, people have varying degrees of validity to their opinion, else there would be no point having specialists or experts in their field. But I wasnt making a point beyond this message board. I was simply making the point that with regards to discussing football, we are all equal in that we are all fans with our own armchair opinions, which are equal to each other. I dont consider anyones opinion on here about football to be more valid than anyone elses unless they are an ex professional coach or player themselves

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[quote user="Dubai Mark"]Now looking at it, I actually think I made a mistake starting this thread, its OT and I apologise.[/quote]
Too late... cards marked as a s**t stirrer. [:)]

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[quote user="Dubai Mark"]Thanks for that John, I actually broke one of my golden rules when posting and deserve some flack!!![/quote]

Its ok with me Mark, its all been polite.............so far.

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[quote user="Wiz"]

[quote user="Dubai Mark"]Is LDC becoming the new Wiz on this board, in a similar way to how the negative player focus this season has moved on to Bradley Johnson from Turner or was it from Turner to Bradley Johnson? [/quote]

He wants to be Mark...........sorry LDC.[;)][/quote]In your dreams, Wiz, in your dreams. 

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