Statistics do not lie

[can u sit down please 0]

3 dunc were blocked inside the box

Bottom line. We have failed to beat 2 teams that can''t keep clean sheets at home and hull.

We can''t even bank on our home form anymore.

Time is up. The fact the same old arguments are being spoken about a yr on shows how little things have changed.

[ricardo 7,339]

[quote user="CanaryOne"][quote user="ricardo"][quote user="CanaryOne"]Cardiff were hardly hard pressed to keep us out were they , two teams look poorer than us so far this season Sunderland and Palace . We could have had 100 shots blazed into the stands but if you dont score you dont win simple as that , and we have won 6 of the last 30 and thats pathetic by anyones standards.[/quote]Dear oh dear, I give up. Cardiff were the poorest Premier side I''ve seen in years. They may be a point ahead at this stage but we will finish around 10 points clear of them come May. They got lucky today, it won''t last the entire season.[/quote]Thats your opinion nothing more than that , if we cannot beat the likes of Hull, Cardiff (the poorest side you have seen in years) and Villa just what Premiership teams do you think we will amass all these points from ? . How many real clear cut chances did we actually create today ? Fers tame header near the end was about it the rest were scrambles and long range pops that were never going in .[/quote]More than enough to win the game or weren''t you watching. Your argument has no basis in the reality of what happened and is simply predicated on the disappointment of the result.

[Highland Canary 76]

It is possible to offer alternative characterisations. For instance, having two strikers on the pitch might have increased the liklihood of converting an opportunity. An alternative management team might have had the ability to respond to Malky''s substitutions. And, a straight swap of Hooper for Elmander must have led to a degree of bemusement amongst even the hardened proponents of our existing management team.

[CanaryOne 0]

Yes but we didnt score against the worst team you have seen in years so who the hell are we going to beat to get all these points you claim we will have , maybe your old eyes are just letting you see what you want to see .

[can u sit down please 0]

Villa and Cardiff never keep clean sheets. Oh guess what.....

[ricardo 7,339]

[quote user="CanaryOne"]Yes but we didnt score against the worst team you have seen in years so who the hell are we going to beat to get all these points you claim we will have , maybe your old eyes are just letting you see what you want to see .[/quote]Yet we scored against Arsenal, the best team in the league this season. If you think Cardiff''s daylight robbery is going to have any bearing on all the rest of the games this season you are probably right. But it doesn''t.

[snake-eyes 13]

I like your crystal ball Ricardo.

Just one problem. We won''t if we don''t start scoring and winning.

Our strikers have 1 league goal in 9. The team has scored 6 in 9. we failed to score against a newly promoted Hull who played 70 mins with 10 men. We failed to score sgainst a Villa side at home who had not kept a league clean sheet in several games. We failed to score against a poor Cardiff side that has kept only 1 clean sheet all season.

Despite our improvement in performances how are we going win games if we cannot score?

Snake

[can u sit down please 0]

But arsenal have only kept 2 clean sheets Ricardo ;)

[Phillip J Fry 0]

[quote user="can u sit down please"]4 inside the box. 9 blocked. Stats can mislead.

Save of the game was ruddy by a mile[/quote]

What about Cardiff''s clearance off the line? 

Also 4-4-2 stats zone disagrees with you:

Shots inside penalty area:

5 on target (one being the Wittingham clearance)

4 blocked. 

9 off target

[Phillip J Fry 0]

[quote user="CanaryOne"][quote user="ricardo"][quote user="CanaryOne"]Cardiff were hardly hard pressed to keep us out were they , two teams look poorer than us so far this season Sunderland and Palace . We could have had 100 shots blazed into the stands but if you dont score you dont win simple as that , and we have won 6 of the last 30 and thats pathetic by anyones standards.[/quote]Dear oh dear, I give up. Cardiff were the poorest Premier side I''ve seen in years. They may be a point ahead at this stage but we will finish around 10 points clear of them come May. They got lucky today, it won''t last the entire season.[/quote]Thats your opinion nothing more than that , if we cannot beat the likes of Hull, Cardiff (the poorest side you have seen in years) and Villa just what Premiership teams do you think we will amass all these points from ? . How many real clear cut chances did we actually create today ? Fers tame header near the end was about it the rest were scrambles and long range pops that were never going in .[/quote]

What about the clearance off the line from the Fer volley?

[can u sit down please 0]

[quote user="Phillip J Fry"][quote user="can u sit down please"]4 inside the box. 9 blocked. Stats can mislead.

Save of the game was ruddy by a mile[/quote]

What about Cardiff''s clearance off the line? 

Also 4-4-2 stats zone disagrees with you:

Shots inside penalty area:

5 on target (one being the Wittingham clearance)

4 blocked. 

9 off target

[/quote]

I used statzone.

4 on target inside the box. 9 blocked.

[morty 0]

Just saying, but I prefer to use my own eyes to form my opinion on games, not the radio or stats.Stats themselves do not paint the entire picture.

[can u sit down please 0]

Exactly Morty. 31 stats does not paint the true pic that we only had 4 shots on target from inside the box. 5 outside.

Oh well. Lets move on to next week.

[Phillip J Fry 0]

[quote user="can u sit down please"]

I used statzone.

4 on target inside the box. 9 blocked.[/quote]

But if you comapred to other teams, surely you would see it''s not that bad?

Using statzone you will find that:

Crystal Palace had zero shots on target from inside the box

Arsenal had 4 shots on target (2 of these were goals)

Aston Villa had 3 shots on target.

Everton also had 3 (although 1 was a goal)

Liverpool had 5 (3 of these were goals)

West brom had 3 (1 of these was a goal)

Man Utd. had 4 (3 of these were goals)

Stoke had 4 (1 of these was a goal)

Norwich had 4 

Cardiff had 2

Southampton had 5 (2 of these were goals)

Fulham had none.

It seems to me that 4 on target shots from inside the penalty area is perfectly acceptable for any side. It seems to me it''s not the number of shots that''s the issue, we''re clearly creating enough chances compared to other teams, it''s the efficiency. And a large part of that comes down to luck any way.

[morty 0]

[quote user="can u sit down please"]Exactly Morty. 31 stats does not paint the true pic that we only had 4 shots on target from inside the box. 5 outside.

Oh well. Lets move on to next week.[/quote]So we had 9 shots on target?By Premiership standards, thats probably above average for most games.Stats eh?

[can u sit down please 0]

It''s then how you dissect those stats.

At arsenal we had 6 shots at goal. 1 was in the box, 2 were daisy cutters from outside, from what I remember.

Carl Robinson used to have a good pass completion rate. Doesn''t mean his passes were effective.

0 goals against Cardiff, villa and hull, quite frankly isn''t good enough.

Here we are arguing the same prob from last yr. if the problem was being sorted, we wouldn''t be having this debate.

The fact we''ve only scored 6 goals and one of them from a fwd tells me that the manager hasn''t came up with anything different from last yr.

We have a specialist gk coach, two were defenders and Trollope.

Maybe one of the best signings Hughton could''ve made would have been a fwd coach. Someone with vision and creativity to influence games in the final 3rd.

[morty 0]

The fact is you can interpret stats to try and support any point or agenda you want to make.We scored enough goals to stay up last season and finish in a decent position.See what I mean?

[can u sit down please 0]

completely pal.

Do you think a fwd coach should have been appointed in the summer?

[Dean Coneys boots 1,398]

You can claim it is good because there were lots of shots

Or claim our forwards are really rubbish because despite more opportunities than any other prem team today they still couldn''t score.

[morty 0]

[quote user="can u sit down please"]completely pal.

Do you think a fwd coach should have been appointed in the summer?[/quote]Does such a thing exist?I can understand a goalkeeping coach for that position but would you get a specific coach telling players how to score?

[can u sit down please 0]

Not how to score lol

But the build up play, movement and shape Etc.

Clubs do employ them.

No disrespect up ch or cc but I can''t really see them having the mindset of a forward on the training ground.

[nutty nigel 7,509]

CUSDP.. you must be sick and tired of banging your head against a brick wall. You didn''t want Hughton to get the job and you have wanted him out since Fulham away last season. At what point are you going to consider that the problem lies with the CE who obviously disagrees with everything you''ve said for well over a year?

 

If results don''t improve then even McNally will act unless he''s happy to have Hughton in the champs. because relegation was in his plans a few years ago. However he''s since said that it''s imperative we stay in the premier league. So the board are the ones who will have a decision to make sooner or later. If you want him gone sooner then perhaps you should divert your attentions to them. While Hughton''s here we want him to succeed whether we rate him or not?

 

Today was a good performance and an enjoyable game. Ultimately disappointing because we didn''t score the goal we deserved. But last season when we were picking up points I used to read on here that people would rather see us lose if we played good football and attacked teams.

 

 

 

[City 2nd 191]

But if you comapred to other teams, surely you would see it''s not that bad?

Using statzone you will find that:

Crystal Palace had zero shots on target from inside the box

Arsenal had 4 shots on target (2 of these were goals)

Aston Villa had 3 shots on target.

Everton also had 3 (although 1 was a goal)

Liverpool had 5 (3 of these were goals)

West brom had 3 (1 of these was a goal)

Man Utd. had 4 (3 of these were goals)

Stoke had 4 (1 of these was a goal)

Norwich had 4

Cardiff had 2

Southampton had 5 (2 of these were goals)

Fulham had none.

It seems to me that 4 on target shots from inside the penalty area is perfectly acceptable for any side. It seems to me it''s not the number of shots that''s the issue, we''re clearly creating enough chances compared to other teams, it''s the efficiency. And a large part of that comes down to luck any way.

So we aren''t doing anything wrong then. 4 shots on target inside the box is you say acceptable? However look at your list - those clubs mentioned might have had the same, less or more, BUT THEY SCORED! We didn''t. And those that didn''t are where in the league?

[morty 0]

[quote user="can u sit down please"]Not how to score lol

But the build up play, movement and shape Etc.

Clubs do employ them.

No disrespect up ch or cc but I can''t really see them having the mindset of a forward on the training ground.[/quote]So hang on, you''re saying they coach the team up to the halfway line, then just leave the rest to luck?Worrying stuff.

[ricardo 7,339]

It''s all coloured by the disappointment of not winning a game we totally dominated. Had one shot gone in we wouldn''t be sitting here with the forum going into meltdown. A few weeks ago it was all about sitting back and the side being set up to defend and no entertaining play. There will always be something to complain about for some people.The Lambert hiatus is over, as it was always going to be once we reached the promised land. Mid to low table survival was always going to be a problem for those raised on the excitement of the Lambert years The reality is beginning to set in and the weak are starting to fall by the wayside. It was ever thusBut looking at it logically and from the point of view of someone who has witnessed half a dozen relegations I can honestly say that from what I''ve seen so far this doesn''t look like a side that''s going to be relegated. Time for that to change no doubt and if poor results continue confidence could be affected but at the moment it''s not what I am seeing. I won''t be drawn into any predictions yet but there look to be more than 3 poorer sides than NCFC.

[morty 0]

[quote user="ricardo"]It''s all coloured by the disappointment of not winning a game we totally dominated. Had one shot gone in we wouldn''t be sitting here with the forum going into meltdown. A few weeks ago it was all about sitting back and the side being set up to defend and no entertaining play. There will always be something to complain about for some people.The Lambert hiatus is over, as it was always going to be once we reached the promised land. Mid to low table survival was always going to be a problem for those raised on the excitement of the Lambert years The reality is beginning to set in and the weak are starting to fall by the wayside. It was ever thusBut looking at it logically and from the point of view of someone who has witnessed half a dozen relegations I can honestly say that from what I''ve seen so far this doesn''t look like a side that''s going to be relegated. Time for that to change no doubt and if poor results continue confidence could be affected but at the moment it''s not what I am seeing. I won''t be drawn into any predictions yet but there look to be more than 3 poorer sides than NCFC.[/quote]I bet someone 50 quid that we''ll stay up today.[:)]

[can u sit down please 0]

No far from it. A fwd is a different breed to a centre half and a full back.

It''s the hardest thing in football to do, spurs employ a fwd/creative coach, arsenal...actually most teams do.

I''m not surprised if they coach up to the halfway line and then scratch there heads to be honest.

As for McNally. I believe he will act soon. He''s been nothing short of brilliant in his time at the club and one thing we''ve learnt is football comes first.

If we are not getting results and the form from Xmas continues then I expect him to act.

[morty 0]

[quote user="can u sit down please"]No far from it. A fwd is a different breed to a centre half and a full back.

It''s the hardest thing in football to do, spurs employ a fwd/creative coach, arsenal...actually most teams do.

I''m not surprised if they coach up to the halfway line and then scratch there heads to be honest.

As for McNally. I believe he will act soon. He''s been nothing short of brilliant in his time at the club and one thing we''ve learnt is football comes first.

If we are not getting results and the form from Xmas continues then I expect him to act.[/quote]Seriously?You honestly think that?You''re just being a bit silly now.

[can u sit down please 0]

No, I was being funny.

[morty 0]

[quote user="can u sit down please"]No, I was being funny.[/quote]Ahhhh[Y]