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The guy looks like the next Frank Lampard. Full of goals, puts his foot in, decent passing, all energy.

We all knew he was better than the player we have seen putting in below par performances alongside Bradley Johnson in defensive midfield. How on earth can a manager who sees him in training keep him leashed in a defensive role he is clearly not suited to for a year.

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[quote user="Citizen Journalist Foghorn"]The guy looks like the next Frank Lampard. Full of goals, puts his foot in, decent passing, all energy. We all knew he was better than the player we have seen putting in below par performances alongside Bradley Johnson in defensive midfield. How on earth can a manager who sees him in training keep him leashed in a defensive role he is clearly not suited to for a year.[/quote]

 

Because Hughton''s a fracking moron thats why!

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Perhaps it''s because Hoolahan played so well in the role last year and the addition of Fer adds another dimension to the midfield which allows him to be used further forward?

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He doesn''t put his foot in though does he. He has good quality but tracking back and tackling are not his strengths.

Now we have Fer who adds the bite we missed last year we can afford to let Howson get forward and he looks much better for it. Hughton deserves credit for strengthening in the right place to allow this to happen, not being called a fracking anything.

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[quote user="First Wizard"]

[quote user="Citizen Journalist Foghorn"]The guy looks like the next Frank Lampard. Full of goals, puts his foot in, decent passing, all energy. We all knew he was better than the player we have seen putting in below par performances alongside Bradley Johnson in defensive midfield. How on earth can a manager who sees him in training keep him leashed in a defensive role he is clearly not suited to for a year.[/quote]

 

Because Hughton''s a fracking moron thats why!

[/quote]This looks like a personal attack, the type that''s not allowed on other sites like carrowroad.net, the site where people get banned. 

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[quote user="First Wizard"]

[quote user="Citizen Journalist Foghorn"]The guy looks like the next Frank Lampard. Full of goals, puts his foot in, decent passing, all energy. We all knew he was better than the player we have seen putting in below par performances alongside Bradley Johnson in defensive midfield. How on earth can a manager who sees him in training keep him leashed in a defensive role he is clearly not suited to for a year.[/quote]

 

Because Hughton''s a fracking moron thats why!

[/quote]I don''t know why you get such stick, considering the quality of debate and football knowledge you offer.

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the concerning thing is we cant really play him and fer as a central 2 without tettey behind which pretty much rules out anything but one up front

its a daddy or chips call, if we want to see hooper and wolfie together then its going to be between tettey and howson for who plays next to feri dont like him but having tettey do the mopping up and letting fer roam might be the better option, having fer sit and howson go forward is a bit of a waste of fer

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[quote user="tom cavendish"]With Tettey as the defensive midfielder, both Howson and Fer should be getting forward more than they have been doing.[/quote]I agree (though not at the same time obviously) playing a lone striker can only work if he is supported by a midfielder getting forward when we have the ball.

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Yup. The midfield or a midfielder needs to be closer to the forward but that needs to come from the manager. He is clearly reluctant to commit numbers forward.

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If he keeps up this sort of form, surely he must be an outside shout for Brazil in the summer.

If Tom Cleverley is deemed good enough then Howson must be

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[quote user="A Load of Squit"][quote user="First Wizard"]

[quote user="Citizen Journalist Foghorn"]The guy looks like the next Frank Lampard. Full of goals, puts his foot in, decent passing, all energy. We all knew he was better than the player we have seen putting in below par performances alongside Bradley Johnson in defensive midfield. How on earth can a manager who sees him in training keep him leashed in a defensive role he is clearly not suited to for a year.[/quote]

 

Because Hughton''s a fracking moron thats why!

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This looks like a personal attack, the type that''s not allowed on other sites like carrowroad.net, the site where people get banned.

 
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Its not on a fellow poster.......unlike here![^o)]

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[quote user="First Wizard"][quote user="A Load of Squit"][quote user="First Wizard"]

[quote user="Citizen Journalist Foghorn"]The guy looks like the next Frank Lampard. Full of goals, puts his foot in, decent passing, all energy. We all knew he was better than the player we have seen putting in below par performances alongside Bradley Johnson in defensive midfield. How on earth can a manager who sees him in training keep him leashed in a defensive role he is clearly not suited to for a year.[/quote]

 

Because Hughton''s a fracking moron thats why!

[/quote]This looks like a personal attack, the type that''s not allowed on other sites like carrowroad.net, the site where people get banned. [/quote]

 

Its not on a fellow poster.......unlike here![^o)]

[/quote]

 

Where?

 

 

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[quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="First Wizard"][quote user="A Load of Squit"][quote user="First Wizard"]

[quote user="Citizen Journalist Foghorn"]The guy looks like the next Frank Lampard. Full of goals, puts his foot in, decent passing, all energy. We all knew he was better than the player we have seen putting in below par performances alongside Bradley Johnson in defensive midfield. How on earth can a manager who sees him in training keep him leashed in a defensive role he is clearly not suited to for a year.[/quote]

 

Because Hughton''s a fracking moron thats why!

[/quote]

This looks like a personal attack, the type that''s not allowed on other sites like carrowroad.net, the site where people get banned.

 
[/quote]

 

Its not on a fellow poster.......unlike here![^o)]

[/quote]

 

Where?

 

 

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Not playing with you tonight Nutty.........you know damn well where.

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Hairy Canary hits the nail on the head!! See, when you think about it, rather than go into automatic "must criticise Chris Hooghton" mode, it is actually easy to work things like this out :-) 

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[quote user="First Wizard"][quote user="nutty nigel"][quote user="First Wizard"][quote user="A Load of Squit"][quote user="First Wizard"]

[quote user="Citizen Journalist Foghorn"]The guy looks like the next Frank Lampard. Full of goals, puts his foot in, decent passing, all energy. We all knew he was better than the player we have seen putting in below par performances alongside Bradley Johnson in defensive midfield. How on earth can a manager who sees him in training keep him leashed in a defensive role he is clearly not suited to for a year.[/quote]

 

Because Hughton''s a fracking moron thats why!

[/quote]This looks like a personal attack, the type that''s not allowed on other sites like carrowroad.net, the site where people get banned. [/quote]

 

Its not on a fellow poster.......unlike here![^o)]

[/quote]

 

Where?

 

 

[/quote]

 

Not playing with you tonight Nutty.........you know damn well where.

[/quote]You court it and you love it.

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I actually give Hughton a lot of credit for playing both Howson & Hoolahan together - personnel & positions were right - unfortunately tactics wrong.

When played together Hoolahan suited the more forward role due to his movement in tight situations and Howson was at the time, the best player to carry the ball out of defence.

Problem was the tactics Howson was not allowed to stay forward and support the attack (like Lampard). Howson has a pretty fierce shot on him - maybe the best in the team so needs to play box to box - not box to centre circle. He did show at the tail end of last season that when he "drove" forward he got into shooting positions

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Fers all round quality means Howson can pretty much do what he likes, and that''s his game.

I rate Howson far more than hoolahan. Really enjoying the tactics offered by hughton and seems to be jelling in this formation, exciting weeks ahead in my opinion

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Unfortunately more often than not what he likes is to shoot regardless of distance out and almost never play the ball into our striker. He''d be a hell of a player if he could make better decisions.

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[quote user="KeelansGlove"]Unfortunately more often than not what he likes is to shoot regardless of distance out and almost never play the ball into our striker. He''d be a hell of a player if he could make better decisions.[/quote]He has a great shot, but you make an interesting point I have never considered actually.

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Howson has, although I have been critical in the past, been playing well lately. Unfortunately I cannot believe the thought of RvW and Hooper playing together has been ruled out completely and if this does happen, in the right games, then it could well be Howson who has to make way for the change.

In a 442, if it ever happens, the centre two must surely be Fer and Tettey as they seem to compliment each other very well. That would be harsh on Howson but that is the reason why this is a squad game nowadays.

Obviously if he plays with a centre three Howson is a must at the moment.

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KeelansGlove wrote the following post at 28/10/2013 12:31 AM:

"Unfortunately more often than not what he likes is to shoot regardless of distance out and almost never play the ball into our striker. He''d be a hell of a player if he could make better decisions."

A while back there was criticism of the team for not shooting enough, there was frustration at our attempts to pass it into goal. This season Howson, Pilks, Snoddy and Redmond have taken flak for being greedy, having a shot and not passing to a better placed player (usually RvW). I presume that the decision to encourage the forward players to ''have a crack'' was a tactical one. Hopefully now that the team seem to be gelling perhaps we can start to see an intelligent balance in our search for goals.

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[quote user="First Wizard"][quote user="A Load of Squit"][quote user="First Wizard"]

[quote user="Citizen Journalist Foghorn"]The guy looks like the next Frank Lampard. Full of goals, puts his foot in, decent passing, all energy. We all knew he was better than the player we have seen putting in below par performances alongside Bradley Johnson in defensive midfield. How on earth can a manager who sees him in training keep him leashed in a defensive role he is clearly not suited to for a year.[/quote]

 

Because Hughton''s a fracking moron thats why!

[/quote]

This looks like a personal attack, the type that''s not allowed on other sites like carrowroad.net, the site where people get banned.

 
[/quote]

 

Its not on a fellow poster.......unlike here![^o)]

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Being a manager doesn''t mean you''re not a person, if you don''t like personal attacks it''s best not to do them.

 

 

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--- Six Pack: I actually give Hughton a lot of credit for playing both Howson & Hoolahan together - personnel & positions were right - unfortunately tactics wrong. When played together Hoolahan suited the more forward role due to his movement in tight situations and Howson was at the time, the best player to carry the ball out of defence.

Well, when the other player bringing the ball out of defense was BJ this is no shock. I think Howson''s passing is probably the weakest aspect of his play right now, it is solid if not spectacular, and he still struggles to link up with the lone front man. Whatever Hughton was doing with Howson last season, he was clearly misusing him.

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Vaughan''s Stiff Upper Lip said "Fers all round quality means Howson can pretty much do what he likes, and that''s his game.

I rate Howson far more than hoolahan. Really enjoying the tactics offered by hughton and seems to be jelling in this formation, exciting weeks ahead in my opinion"

This is so true.

 

I am mystified as to why the hatred and venom against Hughton has increased when the team is clearly now settling, tactics and performances are improving and the future looks much better than the past.   We still have so many players settling into the club and the Premiership.

 

There was so much debate before we signed Hooper about whether players from lesser leagues could make the step up.  We signed several and now they have to make the transition overnight.   Hughton just can''t win whatever happens. 

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Does anybody think we dont need Tettey? Fer has grown into this season (though I dont think he had a great game on Saturday). Would he be able to have the same influence on the game if he did the Tettey role. Thought Tettey''s general game was ok on Saturday, passing was much better, though still wearing his lead boots on occasion and less said about his shot the better. Think Tettey is a very limited player and it seems we always seem to need one. To improve generally we need players who have more than a singular strength. I think Hoolahan, Tettey and BJ are all examples of players who only really do one thing, whereas someone like Fer can do everything. Could Fer still do what he''s been doing if he played the Tettey role, thus allowing that extra place in the team for two up front, or a more talented midfielder? Or do people think playing a limited player like Tettey or BJ as a defensive screen is a necessity to release the potential of other players?

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[quote user="The Great Mass Debater"]Does anybody think we dont need Tettey? Fer has grown into this season (though I dont think he had a great game on Saturday). Would he be able to have the same influence on the game if he did the Tettey role. Thought Tettey''s general game was ok on Saturday, passing was much better, though still wearing his lead boots on occasion and less said about his shot the better. Think Tettey is a very limited player and it seems we always seem to need one. To improve generally we need players who have more than a singular strength. I think Hoolahan, Tettey and BJ are all examples of players who only really do one thing, whereas someone like Fer can do everything. Could Fer still do what he''s been doing if he played the Tettey role, thus allowing that extra place in the team for two up front, or a more talented midfielder? Or do people think playing a limited player like Tettey or BJ as a defensive screen is a necessity to release the potential of other players?[/quote]

I think Tettey is absolutely essential to how we are looking to play. He has been superb in the last 4 games, arguably better than Fer although perhaps not as eye catching. The good thing is the two of them look to have a really good understanding and partnership. Tettey sitting enables Fer to get forward and Howson even further forward still. He reads the game very well and his passing is actually pretty decent. His return to the side coupled with having Fer who can both tackle and pass has been the biggest factor in our improved midfield displays.

If we want to play 4-4-2 then (other than against the very weakest teams) Howson will need to be the one sacrificed but I would assume that if playing 4-4-2 then Redmond may get a start so we would be playing a slightly different style of game.

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