Thomo 0 Posted November 1, 2013 2 of my fellow Barclay End Projekt members met with Chloe Smith yesterday and after discussing the pro''s and con''s of Safestanding, her head was turned.The EDP have a poll to see who''s in favour etc but before you vote, i''d like to know.....Your age....in 10''s of years if you don''t want to disclose to everyone.Would you stand want to stand if it was viable?Would you pay the same price as current to Stand?Would you oppose a standing area in the ground? If so, Why? What are your concerns?User Posted Link Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thomo 0 Posted November 1, 2013 I will start....I''m 31 (32 next week!)I most definitely would stand.It would help to create a better atmosphere with like minded singing areas able to come together.It would allow people who want to sit, to sit in comfort without having to worry about confronting the person standing in front of them. It would create the possibility of 700 extra standing fans per every 100 currently seated. meaning extra revenue for the club even if they lowered prices.It would not be a return to the old days, Crowd Surges are not possible due to a rail seperating each second row of fans. Standing does not make you a hooligan! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,385 Posted November 1, 2013 I''m far too old to stand for ninety minutes and if people are prepared to stand for the same money as for a seat then who am I to complain.As long as nobody stands in front of me then I couldn''t care less.If its going to mean more room then I would like a bigger seat. In fact I would prefer a large comfy settee with lots of cushions.[:D] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TCCANARY 263 Posted November 1, 2013 What''s Chloe like? She always seems so nice on the telly, except for thast time with Jeremy Paxman, he kept asking her if she was incompetent, was she incompetent?Did you ask her if she was incompetent? I expect she get asks it a lot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIL 1010 4,738 Posted November 1, 2013 Who will be footing the bill for this and as for turning Chloe Smith''s head smell the coffee as she is only in it for the votes. I doubt she has ever been to Carrow Road. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thomo 0 Posted November 1, 2013 Wasn''t me who met her, it was two other members of our group Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Barclay seats 4849 the 3rd 0 Posted November 1, 2013 NO ..I like being able to sit if I want to .I don''t care if people want to stand elsewhere , but don''t want to lose my seat in its present location in the Barclay .Where did the figure of 700 per 100 seats come from ? that means an all standing old Trafford would take 525,000 ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
im spartacus canary 0 Posted November 1, 2013 i''d love to do chloe smith [;)] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dubai Mark 0 Posted November 1, 2013 I am in line with Ricardo''s thinking on this one. When I do get to a live match these days even sitting in those crappy plastic seast kills my dodgy knees. I get so annoyed when people stand in seating areas in front of those who want to sit...but, would fully support an area like the lower Barclay being converted into a safestanding area...but then get extra tough on those standing in seated areas.....yep I am a GOM! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snake-eyes 13 Posted November 1, 2013 Oh Spatacus, do behave! [;)] In answer to the questions: 30''sNoNoNo Simples! [:)] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GenerationA47 751 Posted November 1, 2013 In my mid 30sMainly away game attender, so used to standing up and would like a designated standing section in every away end. This is so that those of us who prefer to stand (like me) don''t inconvenience those who prefer or have to sit. (Yes I do sit down when requested or if everyone in front is seated.)I would pay the same to stand if that''s what it took. So if I was convinced it was necessary to charge the same to stand due to the cost of converting to safe standing. I would expect a small discount eventually to acknowledge the higher customer density.I have very good experiences of safe standing in German and Belgian grounds. German fans are no less aggressive and passionate in their support than UK ones, but it works. You can get higher attendances and the crowd experience is incredible. In response to one of the more ignorant seeming comments on the edp article, I myself don''t know why anybody in full physical health would want to sit at a match, *given the choice* to stand in the modern safe style, once they have sampled it. That''s not to say there aren''t also legitimate voices opposed to it but I think they also appear sometimes to come from the mindset & assumptions of the 80s. Or a wish to keep the status quo for the sake of it, ignoring the ''market evidence'' that standing in *certain* core home & away areas is the norm at most grounds, but not as safe as if formalised with the proper equipment. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thomo 0 Posted November 1, 2013 Whilst you may be right, she was originally opposed to it and returned a response which was the stock response to this kind of letter, we followed it up and she liked what the lads had to say.The club would obviously pay for the work but it would pay for itself in time and it would be a damn sight cheaper than developing a whole new construction above the city stand or any of the other proposals that have previously been discussed by the club and the UEA. (not that i know figures or anything)as far as standing goes...you get around 1700 to every 1000 seated.3000 seats in the Lower Barclay at £30 a pop = £90k per match5100 spaces with standing at £20 = £102k per matchand that''s suggesting they even change the pricing which they possibly wouldn''t need to do, due to current demand.We also have Simon Wright MP on side, who is a current ST holder in the Barclay Upper and would love standing to be reintroduced.For more about safestanding go to ..... http://www.safestandingroadshow.co.ukor for more about the Barclay End Projekt .....http://barclayendprojekt.org/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thomo 0 Posted November 1, 2013 Sorry that should have read 700 extra seats to every 1000. So, increasing the barclay from about 3000 to 5100. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Great Drinkell 50 Posted November 1, 2013 Over 50 [:(] Would certainly like the option of standing but wouldn''t pay the same price. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIL 1010 4,738 Posted November 1, 2013 Why don''t you call a meeting rather than just get a straw poll on a website. I for one would like to discuss and debate it with you Thomo and the lads as you describe them.Who exactly are you and what experience and expertise do you have with such matters ? With regard to the finance aspect you appear to have just pulled simplistic figures from thin air i.e. £30 for a seat and £20 for standing unless of course Mr.McNally has given you the heads up. What do you propose will happen to season ticket holders who like where they sit ( somebody has already stated this) and will obviously be inconvenienced ? Most importantly has there been a meeting with the likes of Mr.Mcnally and Mr. Bowkett or are you just hoping this matter will be forced upon them by a change in Government legislation?I am not being negative but box ticking and giving a yes to an unknown group is not for me. As I said Chloe Smith is vote seeking and Simon Wright is sitting on a seat he could easily lose so not really surprised they have given you the nod. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thomo 0 Posted November 1, 2013 No probs TIL 1010. I''m a 32 (well next week) year old ST holder in the Barclay Lower. An occasional poster on the Wrath of the Barclay and lurker on here.I have no expertise in the matter as such, but a passion to help improve the overall experience of football not only at Carrow Road but across the country. I along with a few like minded fans decided we wanted to start a new supporters group for Norwich that campaigned for things we believe in. With ticketing prices and safestanding being at the forefront of our minds.However, we are in contact with the football supporters federation (we handed out TwentysPlenty leaflets for them at the West Brom home game last season) and fully support their campaign along with Jon Darch of the Safestanding Roadshow. We are hoping to educate MP''s, Journo''s, Fans and the club alike and give them an opportunity to view Jon''s mobile terrace that he brings to a game/meeting. We have been unable to address Mr McNally on the matter so far, and obviously we already know his feelings on the matter and the loss of a friend that he has previously mentioned. While it is an emotive subject for him, it is not something that can simply be ignored, we hope to prove the safety aspects of the proposed railseat and give him evidence that the football fans of this club are in favour of such an area within Carrow Road.We want Norwich City to be one of the clubs that WANT this so we can add our name to the current list of clubs in favour. If 14 of the top tier say yes, the government will have to look at.Even if a motion is passed, that doesn''t mean a club has to adhere to it. We want OUR club to be leader in this, we want David McNally to want this rather than use the death of his friend as a reason against it. We all know what happened at Hillsborough, most of us know it was not standing that caused it either. This terrace experience will be safe. People could argue that they said Titanic was safe, but we did not stop using boats, we improved them.Cheers,Thomo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dubai Mark 0 Posted November 1, 2013 Thomo the best of luck with this. I am of the mind that if and thats a big "if" this concept of safestanding is proven to be safe, then why should there not be a stand or section of a stand at every league ground converted. I''m saying that even though I never actually enjoyed standing myself and couyldnt wait to get a seat, but because this is about choice, being open to change, and it would be great if our club was the first or one of the first to go with it...as long, as I said, it is proven to be safe. In addition, if one day it is introduced, I would like to see it priced lower than seating so as to ensure that football is affordable to a greater number of fans. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Ghost of Percy Varco 0 Posted November 1, 2013 Definitely in favour.I''m late 30''s, stand every game in the lower Barclay anyway and would be happy to pay the same price.I can''t see a real argument against safe standing and those who relate it to Hillsborough are being daft, however emotive that subject is.Bring back Hooliganism? Well, there still is hooliganism but it wouldn''t increase it as football has changed dramatically since those dark days of the 80s. People still may take a p!ss whilst standing would be my only reasonable concern. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
city4eva 209 Posted November 1, 2013 I sit in the Barclay and want to remain sitting in the Barclay. I stood for years from the 60s onwards, my legs wont take it anymore.I have no objection in principle to a standing area but not in my back yard Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIL 1010 4,738 Posted November 1, 2013 Thanks for the response Thomo but I am still none the wiser who you or "the lads" are that met Chloe Smith. All I gathered was you are 32 and a season ticket holder in the Barclay. If you want to sell this you really must be more proactive than just a website asking for support.I am surprised that you appear not to have embraced the Club on this notwithstanding Mr.McNally''s personal experience of Hillsborough. I would have thought that questions could have been asked at the fans Forum held on 8th October by yourselves or someone on your behalf.The financial aspect of it all appears to me as far as NCFC is concerned to be fag packet accountancy and lacking in any hard facts. No mention of you guys gleaning support at a meeting in a pub or wherever. Why not ?Anyway best of luck but I personally think you must having the backing of NCFC before you have any hope of overturning the current legislation. It is one thing Government saying to clubs that standing areas will be permitted but another finding someone to finance it and whilst I mentioned your fag packet ticket pricing any ideas how much to make this happen in either the Barclay or N&P lower ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Green 5 Posted November 1, 2013 Age 55Deff would stand if availablewould not expect to pay anymore in fact I would expect it to be cheaperWould not appose any standing area after all had cracking days out at the likes of Yeovil, Peterborough ect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FenwayFrank 2,459 Posted November 1, 2013 Will be interesting to see how it goes at Peterborough as I think their new stand ( the away end ) is going to be one of the new "German "style seats/standing sections.Personally I will now stay seated as firstly I''m a shortarse and secondly mrs Frank couldn''t stand for that long now.I also agree with Tils comments too Share this post Link to post Share on other sites