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[quote user="ncfc1902"]Would you give Hughton another 5/6 games if he played two strikers and different tactics??[/quote]Hughton won''t change his philosophy and why should he, but if that leads to poor performances again,  he will not remain long.

I would only give him 5/6 games if we start picking up some points and put in some decent performances again.   Another week like last week will see the end of it.   Let''s not forget though the Cardiff performance which at least was attacking in nature. 

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[quote user="ncfc1902"]Would you give Hughton another 5/6 games if he played two strikers and different tactics??[/quote]

 

Well that''s a daft old question.  That''s like asking if you''d keep June Whitfield if she promised to be a bit more like Joanna Lumley.  She could give it a go but let''s face it, that wouldn''t be right or proper.

 

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[quote user="lake district canary"]Hughton won''t change his philosophy and why should he[/quote]Maybe because we''re in the botton 3, we''re not scoring goals and we''re not winning enough games so the current philosophy is not working. Hoping to sneak a 1-0 win or setting out, and failing, for a damage limitation defeat, will not see us move up the table to a position of comfort & safety. We need to start scoring & we need to start winning now.

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Oh Lordy. I would love CH to win every game but it just is not going to happen. I can''t be doing with another CH in or out post. My view is that we need a change now but I won''t pretend that I have any say in that decision. I will wait and if during that time we become a decent side then fine.

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Why two strikers?

What will that achieve?

Two players on the box when Snoddy finally gets the ball in? Because there won''t already be seven players back... And then when they counter attack we''re exposed because we struggle to be strong enough with a DM.

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Lol @ Bor.

Can we update that analogy for the youngsters? Like asking Sharon Osborne to be more like Nicole Sherzinger!?

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The primary problem for me Bristol, and I''m not saying this is necessarily right, is that we are just too slow and indecisive,

It''s all well and good having 31 shots in a game, having 6 shots on target away at Arsenal and having not terrible possession stats, getting forward. But when 80% of the attacks go down the right, involving 12 cut backs from Snoddy, 3 passes back to Martin, 2 into Howson, back to Snoddy each time then the cross how on earth is any striker, one, two or even three going to have a chance?

And you only need to look at the set pieces to see the quality of the crossing, or more importantly the complete lack of any real vision from the crossers the majourity of the time.

If it were up to me I''d go stick Whittaker back in at RB, Olsson LB, Reds and Pilks out wide, make sure Howson is bursting foward regularly, and we''ll create good decisive chances. Obviously the issue is finding the balence. It''s something Hughton appears to be struggling with, or he just isn''t looking for it and is happy to attack at snail pace with Snoddy and Martin.

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Your problem with Snodgrass is ridiculous. Have you watched your hero play lately?

Christ, Snodgrass may be guilty of dwelling on the ball at times but he was showing signs of getting back to his best before his injury, he was a big miss Saturday. He always offers an option and he''ll run with the ball, at players, committing others.

Tettey was our biggest miss but get over it with Snodgrass, especially when your "hero" is having such a crisis that he''d struggle to pass water.

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I have resisted supporting the ejection of the manager in the belief that he had a hard task or welding a squad with so many new players and should be given a few weeks to undertake this. I also believed that he had a bigger task than many believed, as all competing clubs had invested in better players. In the event his task was made harder by injuries to key players - Benno, who I expected to rival Nathan as a key attacker, Hooper, RvW, Tettey, and the lack of form of others, especially Bassong.

He has had ten games, with luck generally against him and with players disappointing him - Hull, Villa, Cardiff in particular. I am not ready to shout, "Out!" yet, but he cannot have many more games before most will be shouting the word. The loss of key players, e.g. Tettey, and the loss of form of others, will present him with a challenge. So, give him three more games, and if we have not gathered 5 or 6 points from them, that will be the time to ask him to leave.

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[quote user="Warren Hill"]Your problem with Snodgrass is ridiculous. Have you watched your hero play lately?

Christ, Snodgrass may be guilty of dwelling on the ball at times but he was showing signs of getting back to his best before his injury, he was a big miss Saturday. He always offers an option and he''ll run with the ball, at players, committing others.

Tettey was our biggest miss but get over it with Snodgrass, especially when your "hero" is having such a crisis that he''d struggle to pass water.[/quote]

This has nothing to do with Johnson. He isn''t on the pitch to create chances.

And you summed it up, he runs with the ball at players. Not past players. He''s been extremely ineffective, and of we''d had another winger get as much of the ball as he did against Cardiff, heck in every game, we''d have scored more.

I don''t think Snodgrass has scored or set up a goal this season. And I''m fairly sure he started 9 league games. That''s just not right. And we focus our attacks down the right. They showed the stat on Sky against arsenal, it was about 50% down right, 30% middle and 20% left.

So no my problem with Snodgrass isn''t rediclious. You''re just patheticly attacking me for liking Johnson. It''s childish,

Snodgrass has been verging on useless for most of this season. Before Cardiff his set pieces were atrocious. He''s the vocal point of our attack, but hasn''t scored or assisted a single goal. He slows everything down, he never gets in an early ball or shot, he''s regressed so much it''s just sad.

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[quote user="Warren Hill"]Your problem with Snodgrass is ridiculous. Have you watched your hero play lately?

Christ, Snodgrass may be guilty of dwelling on the ball at times but he was showing signs of getting back to his best before his injury, he was a big miss Saturday. He always offers an option and he''ll run with the ball, at players, committing others.

Tettey was our biggest miss but get over it with Snodgrass, especially when your "hero" is having such a crisis that he''d struggle to pass water.[/quote]

Hear hear. Snoddy gives 10 times the effort of anyone else in the team. If we had to have 11 of the same player, I would have 11 Snoddys over 11 anyone else - at the moment. He does sometimes wait too long before crossing, but I think we need to play him on the left so he can dink it in on his preferred foot.

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[quote user="Bor Bor Bor"]

[quote user="ncfc1902"]Would you give Hughton another 5/6 games if he played two strikers and different tactics??[/quote]

 

Well that''s a daft old question.  That''s like asking if you''d keep June Whitfield if she promised to be a bit more like Joanna Lumley.  She could give it a go but let''s face it, that wouldn''t be right or proper.

 

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Why would someone with as much raw s*x appeal as June Whitfield want to ape the tediously vapid Joanna Lumley?

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[quote user="MancCanary"][quote user="Warren Hill"]Your problem with Snodgrass is ridiculous. Have you watched your hero play lately?

Christ, Snodgrass may be guilty of dwelling on the ball at times but he was showing signs of getting back to his best before his injury, he was a big miss Saturday. He always offers an option and he''ll run with the ball, at players, committing others.

Tettey was our biggest miss but get over it with Snodgrass, especially when your "hero" is having such a crisis that he''d struggle to pass water.[/quote]

Hear hear. Snoddy gives 10 times the effort of anyone else in the team. If we had to have 11 of the same player, I would have 11 Snoddys over 11 anyone else - at the moment. He does sometimes wait too long before crossing, but I think we need to play him on the left so he can dink it in on his preferred foot.[/quote]

No goals. No assists. The majority of our attacks go down the right. Something is wrong.

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[quote user="ncfc1902"]Would you give Hughton another 5/6 games if he played two strikers and different tactics??[/quote]Two Strikers? like we did against Villa and Spurs, no thanks. Similar team and formation to the Cardiff game, only this time the shots go in.

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Positive Hughton or a new Manager, now

there’s a question.

So how does Hughton become a positive

Manager and how do we know how positive the new manager will be?

 

What follows is an essentially a copy of a

post I submitted elsewhere but I believe it is apposite to this thread too.

 

As human beings we can all get

pee''d off over things that we often allow to affect our performance. 

It could be argued that the more you earn the greater responsibility you have

for ensuring you have an attitude which is able to overcome these negative

feelings and emotions, especially if your salary comes directly from the people

you are paid to entertain.  However, most people do not know how to change

their attitude or thinking to turn a situation around and

then to make this change permanent, because unless the underlying

values and beliefs are ''improved'' permanently then just as

a stretched elastic band snaps back to its default position so

will behaviour exhibited as a result of a temporary change to attitude
.

 

My question is, what do the club, or

management, do about addressing the values the individual players and

management team hold, do they have any real understanding the massive part

attitude plays in performance.  Why is it other sports, such as golf,

tennis, rugby, etc. employ full time sports psychologists, yet the vast

majority of football clubs do not, is it arrogance or ignorance?

 

I suspect there may be some people who

think Sports Psychology is a load of mumbo jumbo, that sportspeople should

know how to think to get the most out of themselves, particularly managers,

well I suggest that those people think they themselves have it sorted,

that they don''t need help in any way with their thinking style. Well I say

to them, take a good look at yourself because you believe you are the

finished article.  As Ray Kroc (McDonalds) once said, "When you''re green, you''re 

growing.  When you''re ripe you rot.

 

You can''t put one foot in front of the other

without an instruction from the brain, so how the hell are you supposed to play

free flowing and exhilarating football, with commitment and

passion, without involving the brain?

 

So I say NCFC please get some specialist help

in this area, just as great Champions from other sports do and let’s hope all

involved understand they could learn something, i.e. they believe they are

still green and not ripe, or the rot will set in!

 

FFS, we have numerous specialists coaches for on field

physical performance, goalkeeping coaches, etc. so why not a specialist in

attitude management, no matter who the Manager is.

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This may sound ridiculous but i was a Hughton outer until the Man City game. I''m not sure why, I just think getting thrashed 7-0 was exactly what he needed to wake him, the coaches and the players up a bit.

I liked Hughton and will always think he''s a genuinely nice character with class. I''m also another one of these believers that the problem lies within the coaching, having read up on Caldwerwood and Trollope. Any fan has to admit there has been good signs, the first half against Cardiff was the best I''ve seen Norwich player under Hughton and the win against Stoke was brilliant, how we controlled the game from start to finish.

However it''s been frustrating seeing the same tactics used by Hughton every game, even in cups! The opposition, fans, managers, pundits all know what to expect from our style of play. I believe that thrashing at Man City will of finally woken us up a bit and on Saturday we have to prove it. If we win, I can see us proceeding to do well, but if we loose and what I believe turns out to be wrong, I will of had enough.

Maybe i''m just overly optimistic, but I will continue to believe that we can turn our season around on Saturday.

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thats the problem nice hughton goes with a nice little club, get sick of hearing it, tell me how many nice managers are successful, its like being a nice guy, you never get the girl.

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Gingerpele wrote

The primary problem for me Bristol, and I''m not saying this is necessarily right, is that we are just too slow and indecisive,

It''s all well and good having 31 shots in a game, having 6 shots on target away at Arsenal and having not terrible possession stats, getting forward. But when 80% of the attacks go down the right, involving 12 cut backs from Snoddy, 3 passes back to Martin, 2 into Howson, back to Snoddy each time then the cross how on earth is any striker, one, two or even three going to have a chance?

And you only need to look at the set pieces to see the quality of the crossing, or more importantly the complete lack of any real vision from the crossers the majourity of the time.

If it were up to me I''d go stick Whittaker back in at RB, Olsson LB, Reds and Pilks out wide, make sure Howson is bursting foward regularly, and we''ll create good decisive chances. Obviously the issue is finding the balence. It''s something Hughton appears to be struggling with, or he just isn''t looking for it and is happy to attack at snail pace with Snoddy and Martin.

I agree with pretty much all of that.

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