Do we forget that those in football are "normal" people?

[Monty13 2,229]

In amongst all the doom and gloom on here I have seen a few comments that make think sometimes we think footballer''s are robots.

A lot gets talked about by some of how they are professionals and this or that wouldn''t affect them.

Are we not generally all professionals at what we do? Do we never ever get affected by outside influences when we do our job?

The old arguments about the WBA and Man City wins have reared the head recently for an example. Some say they were on the beach, others say thats ridiculous. As if psychological affect of things is ignored because they are "professionals".

I''m not saying either party are correct because I for one believe an on the beach mentality is as likely to be a positive influence on a squad as a negative. You could argue that a side with nothing to play for wont put in the full effort, you could also argue a side with nothing to play for can play with freedom and be relaxed as they are not under pressure.

Do people really believe that every member of a squad likes everybody else? can there really be no one in a professional football team that doesn''t really like someone else, even if they will try to look past that to do well for their career? Can you not like a manager and still try to do the best at your job? (I know I have in the past)

Because I have not worked in an environment where at least one person didn''t like another. Where at one point someone wasn''t pulling their weight. Where someone didn''t get along with their boss. Where someone felt unappreciated or where someone else got praise which was viewed as undeserved by someone else.

I find it hard to believe I am the only one who thinks this way? we talk about the crowd having a positive psychological effect on the players or negative if we boo, yet dismiss other factors that may be playing on a players mind.

I''m not really trying to relate to our current situation, in fact trying not to think about how this relates to our current situation. But I just find it tiring (and not aimed at anybody in particular) when psychological effects are dismissed out of hand by some under the umbrella of the players being professionals.

[Ray 111]

Morty,

 

I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments and at the risk of getting boring have included some comments I have posted twice today already.

 

As human beings we can all get pee''d off over things that we often allow to affect our performance.  It could be argued that the more you earn the greater responsibility you have for ensuring you have an attitude which is able to overcome these negative feelings and emotions, especially if your salary comes directly from the people you are paid to entertain.  However, most people do not know how to change their attitude or thinking to turn a situation around and then to make this change permanent, because unless the underlying values and beliefs are ''improved'' permanently then just as a stretched elastic band snaps back to its default position so will behaviour exhibited as a result of a temporary change to attitude.

 

My question is, what do the club, or management, do about addressing the values the individual players and management team hold, do they have any real understanding the massive part attitude plays in performance.  Why is it other sports, such as golf, tennis, rugby, etc. employ full time sports psychologists, yet the vast majority of football clubs do not, is it arrogance or ignorance?

 

I suspect there may be some people who think Sports Psychology is a load of mumbo jumbo, that sportspeople should know how to think to get the most out of themselves, particularly managers, well I suggest that those people think they themselves have it sorted, that they don''t need help in any way with their thinking style. Well I say to them, take a good look at yourself because you believe you are the finished article.  As Ray Kroc (McDonalds) once said, "When you''re green, you''re  growing.  When you''re ripe you rot.

 

You can''t put one foot in front of the other without an instruction from the brain, so how the hell are you supposed to play free flowing and exhilarating football, with commitment and passion, without involving the brain?

 

So I say NCFC please get some specialist help in this area, just as great Champions from other sports do and let’s hope all involved understand they could learn something, i.e. they believe they are still green and not ripe, or the rot will set in!

 

FFS, we have numerous specialists coaches for on field physical performance, goalkeeping coaches, etc. so why not a specialist in attitude management, no matter who the Manager is it can only help raise self belief, confidence, team moral, etc..

[Chunky Norwich 0]

I get what you''re trying to say - their are probably politics, bitching and friendship circles in every profession on the planet - but the whole thing is completely unrelatable psychologically and lifestyle-wise - to the vast, vast majority of us; we aren''t multi-millionaires who only have to work a few hours a week. It''s not always possible to just compare work-places because they''re so far removed from each other.They might get grief from the crowd but no more grief than police, teachers, nurses, taxi-drivers, ambulance crews, prison officers, soldiers etc etc.The adulation they receive when doing their jobs properly is probably far in excess of many others.The money they earn is probably far in excess of many others.

[Chunky Norwich 0]

And yes, *''there'' for ''their''.Been a long day

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Ray wrote the following post at 06/11/2013 6:17 PM:

Morty,

I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments and at the risk of getting boring have included some comments I have posted twice today already.

As human beings we can all get pee''d off over things that we often allow to affect our performance. It could be argued that the more you earn the greater responsibility you have for ensuring you have an attitude which is able to overcome these negative feelings and emotions, especially if your salary comes directly from the people you are paid to entertain. However, most people do not know how to change their attitude or thinking to turn a situation around and then to make this change permanent, because unless the underlying values and beliefs are ''improved'' permanently then just as a stretched elastic band snaps back to its default position so will behaviour exhibited as a result of a temporary change to attitude.

My question is, what do the club, or management, do about addressing the values the individual players and management team hold, do they have any real understanding the massive part attitude plays in performance. Why is it other sports, such as golf, tennis, rugby, etc. employ full time sports psychologists, yet the vast majority of football clubs do not, is it arrogance or ignorance?

I suspect there may be some people who think Sports Psychology is a load of mumbo jumbo, that sportspeople should know how to think to get the most out of themselves, particularly managers, well I suggest that those people think they themselves have it sorted, that they don''t need help in any way with their thinking style. Well I say to them, take a good look at yourself because you believe you are the finished article. As Ray Kroc (McDonalds) once said, "When you''re green, you''re growing. When you''re ripe you rot.

You can''t put one foot in front of the other without an instruction from the brain, so how the hell are you supposed to play free flowing and exhilarating football, with commitment and passion, without involving the brain?

So I say NCFC please get some specialist help in this area, just as great Champions from other sports do and let’s hope all involved understand they could learn something, i.e. they believe they are still green and not ripe, or the rot will set in!

FFS, we have numerous specialists coaches for on field physical performance, goalkeeping coaches, etc. so why not a specialist in attitude management, no matter who the Manager is it can only help raise self belief, confidence, team moral, etc..

"Morty"???? Really Ray, do you have evidence for this or was it a typo?

[Ray 111]

Chunky,

 

I think the key point ere is that they are people and people are emotional beings, to each and everyone of us our work place is our workplace and we all bear the slings and arrows that come with it.

 

If you performed badly one day at work, would it stop you going out for a meal that evening?  I am going to guess probably not because no-one else would know or dare I say it, care.  Almost to a man none of the players ventured out last Saturday night or Sunday because they are recognised and people do care, so they would have no doubt suffered, shall we say, over zealous feedback as would their families.  Now is this more than the police, nurses, etc, surely that depends on the individual''s take on it. 

 

The fact that many players suffer from depression issues and many have committed suicide is testimony that players do suffer psychologically and perhaps more so than the vast majority, so I disagree with you when you say "the whole thing is unrelatable". 

[Ray 111]

Typo, can''t even blame spell checker, should have read Monty13.

 

Not often someone puts words in Morty''s mouth and get away with it!

[morty 0]

[quote user="Ray"]

Typo, can''t even blame spell checker, should have read Monty13.

 

Not often someone puts words in Morty''s mouth and get away with it!

[/quote]Its okay, Vanwink was just trying to be a bit of a d1ck, its what he does.[;)]

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morty wrote the following post at 06/11/2013 6:44 PM:

Ray wrote:

Typo, can''t even blame spell checker, should have read Monty13.

Not often someone puts words in Morty''s mouth and get away with it!

Its okay, Vanwink was just trying to be a bit of a d1ck, its what he does.

Was actually callenging why someone would suggest you have two accounts, but there you go.

[morty 0]

[quote user="Vanwink"]morty wrote the following post at 06/11/2013 6:44 PM:

Ray wrote:

Typo, can''t even blame spell checker, should have read Monty13.

Not often someone puts words in Morty''s mouth and get away with it!

Its okay, Vanwink was just trying to be a bit of a d1ck, its what he does.

Was actually callenging why someone would suggest you have two accounts, but there you go.[/quote]Wouldn''t it have just been easier to have come to the much more obvious assumption that it was a typo?Have a think about that.

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If you read my post you will see that''s exactly what I asked!

What is it with you, do you hold some sort of grudge against me?

It''s not necessary because I think your a really good bloke!

[morty 0]

[quote user="Vanwink"]If you read my post you will see that''s exactly what I asked!

What is it with you, do you hold some sort of grudge against me?

It''s not necessary because I think your a really good bloke![/quote]Lol.

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Ha ha good lad!