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Most likely was Ipswich because, at that time their shirts were blue with white sleeves and white shorts. It would also explain the large crowd.

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What was interesting was the non legitimate fans being in the Home end comments.Surely if season ticket holders are buying tickets for away fans in the home end there should be sanctions against them? Seems easiest solution to the problem.

I would of course extend this to the plastic element as well.

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I would of course extend this to the plastic element as well.

That was a really enjoyable read until you chipped in with your inane and pointless comment.

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Can anyone give me a steer on what a nine and a half role actually is? As mentioned the "number 10" seemed to be the buzword , but a nine and a half? 

I didn''t learn about this when I did my level two with Colonel Charles Hughes... 

 

 

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To answer my own question this is from Wiki...apparently Kenny Dalglish was one! Looks like fiddling around with words to me.

Deep-lying forwards have a long history in the game, but the terminology to describe them has varied over the years. Originally such players were termed inside forwards, or deep-lying centre forwards. More recently, two more variations of this old type of player have developed: the second or shadow or support or auxiliary striker and, in what is in fact a distinct position unto its own, the Number 10, Diego Maradona who is often described as an attacking midfielder or the playmaker.

The second striker position is a loosely defined and often misapplied one somewhere between the out-and-out striker, whether he is a target-man or more of a poacher, and the Number 10 or Trequartista, while possibly showing some of the characteristics of both. In fact, a coined term, the "nine-and-a-half", has been an attempt to define the position. Conceivably, a Number 10 can alternate as a second-striker provided that he is also a prolific goalscorer, otherwise a striker who can both score and create opportunities for a less versatile centre forward is more suited. This has been true of natural trequartistas like Roberto Baggio, Francesco Totti, and Alessandro Del Piero, and outside of Italy the likes of Dennis Bergkamp or Kenny Dalglish who seldom played in a team formation which permitted them the creative license to play as a number 10 and so they adapted themselves to the second-striker role. Second or support strikers do not tend to get as involved in the orchestration of attacks as the Number 10, nor do they bring as many other players into play, since they do not share the burden of responsibility.[4]

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Thanks for doing this Ricardo, for all us plastics that couldn''t get there.

It would seem our fine Club is in good hands at the moment, does everyone else agree..............?

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Thanks for the report RicardoMeeting was pretty non-controversial  fare handled in the Chief Execs usual inimitable style. Backed up by the inevitable flow chartthere were lots of '' way going forward '' mission statements together with a dark reminder of how we were up the creek without a paddle financially when sinking into League One. It was '' imperative '' we stay in the Premier League ( Chris Hughton sitting alongside didn''t flinch, honest ). Neil Adams put in a solid shift as MC.Like someone else on here I thought the hand-wringing regarding away fans in home areas pretty lame. Do you need to be a rocket scientist to trace seat numbers back to season ticket holders.Although the meeting was advertised on the door as a 7.30 to 10.00pm event questions from the floor were stopped shortly after 8.30 which was too soon. Unfortunately the manager had a train to catch.Shame the earlier long points failure foul-up at Chelmsford had been sorted. We could have stayed all night....[:D]

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Sounded like a very good forum, with some good responses and this board is definately building for the future.

 

The one negative for me was Hughton response with rejecting the need for a specialist attacking coach !

 

Given the lack of ideas when we go forward and the lack of goals, surely the need for an attacking coach would have been a yes or something we need to consider!

 

The one area which most can agree on since last year that the coaching is not there for all to see going forward. Having watched the way that other teams run certain patterns and players movement, the speed of the counter like on Sunday for Chelsea second goal was something we have not done under Hughton.

 

There are so many things to be psositive about at the mo, that one concern is the lack of ideas going forward and the resistance to change his coaching methods. Funny we have two very classy forwards who are being coached by defenders or defensive style coaches, I can sort of understand Holts comments a little more now.

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I was at the fans forum last night. Surprised that more Norwich fans based in Norwich didn''t make the trip, but I suppose had we lost against Stoke and played poorly against Chelsea, that may have been a different story.

My first disappointment was the running time of the meeting. Lots more questions could''ve been asked, I''m sure. However, it was all wrapped up at 8.30. Shame. More annoying was a pointless question about our season ticket cards and how no year is written on them, and how they lack quality. I mean come on. She just kept talking too. Who cares!

I thought Hughton spoke well. Comparing his presence at q&a''s with Paul Lambert''s, I think we have a man in CH who is more settled here. That''s for sure.

The most interesting part of the night for me was the question about where we were going wrong, despite spending big on strikers and having "fantastic coaches" at the club, which received a few claps from people. Hughton didn''t seem fazed by this at all. Took it in his stride. Answered ok. McNally looked a little edgy at this question, I thought. He looked like he wished it hadn''t been asked. Perhaps thinking the meeting had been an easy ride up until that point.

The thing for me is that whilst we have one of the best Chief Execs in the business, I don''t believe we have that same standard, that same quality with our manager (or our Academy manager). People will say it''s tough for Norwich to have a manager who is the best in the business - true. However, I feel at times we look like a Premier League side with a Championship manager. I like Chris Hughton. He speaks well, seems such a nice bloke, knows his stuff, but he just lacks something and I can''t put my finger on what it is.

I just can''t see us achieving much under him. I think he was a Steady Eddie type player - never did anything amazing, rarely played badly, reliable. I think he''s taken that into management. He''s just ok. And will always be just ok.

On the whole though, interesting night. First time I''d heard Hughton speak in person, so that was good. And again, surprised more people didn''t turn out for it.

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[quote user="ricardo"]A rather low key affair in the Norfolk Room tonight with a guesstimated 150 or so in attendance. We had McNally, CH, Ricky Martin on the panel with Neil Adams doing the intro''s. As usual McNally kicked off with his by now well worn patter about the Club Strategy re all monies going into football, continuous improvement etc etc.We are a Premier League Club and everything is about maintaining that status. That was something I had already taken on board when they rushed me £3.90 for a pint of bitter shandy. We had a quick run down on the various personnel changes both on and off the field and some news about new building developments at Colney but nothing about expansion at CR.

On with the questions. First we had an unhappy punter who had the misfortune to sit next to a large Chelsea fan who insisted on sitting half in his seat. Big guy obviously so I doubt there was much in the way of remonstration. The upshot was that McNally was going to look further into keeping away fans out of home areas but was powerless to stop season ticket holders buying tickets for friends who might be away supporters.

Then it was the Academy and about how we stop bigger clubs poaching players we''ve brought on. Apparently there is a compensation scheme but we covered ourselves by giving promising players extended contracts. During a later question on the subject CH confirmed that he monitored the progress of Youth players and it was his decision when he thought the time was right to blood them in the first team. Apparently Carlton Morris will no longer play for the under 18''s and will now feature in the under 21''s.

CH was then asked about the system where most clubs now only play one man up top and confirmed that this was now the favoured formation for most clubs at the top rung of the game. Nutty Nigel (I was sitting 3 rows behind him) asked if CH could see both RVW and Hooper featuring in the side together and got an affirmative answer but again that would depend on when the manager thought it was right to do so. CH did say that he thought Elmander could also play that nine and a half roll.

There was then a bit about pre-season tours from an Australian supporter who hoped to see City in his home country and was told that quality of opposition was paramount. (seems they don''t think much of Aussie football). Then some more stuff about ticketing prices both home and away and the Man U match in particular plus a woman who thought that the tickets were badly printed and they do it so much better in Scotland. Away travel was mentioned and one person was not too keen on Sanders Coaches using a double decker bus.

Somebody then had a go about the strikers not scoring. CH said it was a matter of settling down and that he had full confidence that the goals would come for both RVW and Hooper. There was a mention about Becchio and CH said last season it was his decision to go with Grant Holt as the main man and that this season we had bought higher quality strikers. He said he was reluctant to let Becchio go on loan at the moment.

Once again CH was very measured and knowledgeable in his answers and anybody who questions his suitability as NCFC manager is in my opinion totally nuts.

In a nutshell that''s about the gist of it as expected except nobody asked about stadium expansion. Oh, I almost forgot, there will be a new under 21 manager appointed within the next week.
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Really?

 

Well as much as I hate to rain on your parade, its going to happen ricardo........and sooner thank you think.

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[quote user="Row D Seat 7"]I was at the fans forum last night. Surprised that more Norwich fans based in Norwich didn''t make the trip, but I suppose had we lost against Stoke and played poorly against Chelsea, that may have been a different story.

My first disappointment was the running time of the meeting. Lots more questions could''ve been asked, I''m sure. However, it was all wrapped up at 8.30. Shame. More annoying was a pointless question about our season ticket cards and how no year is written on them, and how they lack quality. I mean come on. She just kept talking too. Who cares!

I thought Hughton spoke well. Comparing his presence at q&a''s with Paul Lambert''s, I think we have a man in CH who is more settled here. That''s for sure.

The most interesting part of the night for me was the question about where we were going wrong, despite spending big on strikers and having "fantastic coaches" at the club, which received a few claps from people. Hughton didn''t seem fazed by this at all. Took it in his stride. Answered ok. McNally looked a little edgy at this question, I thought. He looked like he wished it hadn''t been asked. Perhaps thinking the meeting had been an easy ride up until that point.

The thing for me is that whilst we have one of the best Chief Execs in the business, I don''t believe we have that same standard, that same quality with our manager (or our Academy manager). People will say it''s tough for Norwich to have a manager who is the best in the business - true. However, I feel at times we look like a Premier League side with a Championship manager. I like Chris Hughton. He speaks well, seems such a nice bloke, knows his stuff, but he just lacks something and I can''t put my finger on what it is.

I just can''t see us achieving much under him. I think he was a Steady Eddie type player - never did anything amazing, rarely played badly, reliable. I think he''s taken that into management. He''s just ok. And will always be just ok.

On the whole though, interesting night. First time I''d heard Hughton speak in person, so that was good. And again, surprised more people didn''t turn out for it.[/quote]

 

Since it seems they knew Hughton had to leave early the solution would have been to give him that hour in which to answer purely football questions and then open it up to questions to McNally on finance, ticketing and  other issues for another hour or so.

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[quote user="Row D Seat 7"]I didn''t realise Hughton had to get away. Yes, PurpleCanary - this would''ve been a better way of doing things.[/quote]

 

I''m going on this from an earlier post:"Although the meeting was advertised on the door as a 7.30 to 10.00pm event questions from the floor were stopped shortly after 8.30 which was too soon. Unfortunately the manager had a train to catch."

 

 

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Re: Row D Seat 7

We need a ''steady eddie'' right now. We''re after Premier League stability, and McNally and Hoots are working well together to achieve that

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I was going to come over from Lowestoft (but forgot it was on !) would have been at least a little miffed if I''d driven a round trip approaching 2 hours for an hours worth of questions.

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Really?

 

Well as much as I hate to rain on your parade, its going to happen ricardo........and sooner thank you think.

[/quote]LOL troll.

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Sounds like they had a very easy ride to me considering the form over the last 28 games, the lack of goals and the fact that we are indeed currently in the relegation zone.

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[quote user="norfolkbroadslim"]Sounds like they had a very easy ride to me considering the form over the last 28 games, the lack of goals and the fact that we are indeed currently in the relegation zone.[/quote]Sounds like you should have gone and told them your thoughts??

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[quote user="ncfcstar"][quote user="norfolkbroadslim"]Sounds like they had a very easy ride to me considering the form over the last 28 games, the lack of goals and the fact that we are indeed currently in the relegation zone.[/quote]

Sounds like you should have gone and told them your thoughts??
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Does have a point though! Considering MacNally is Embarrassed in being in the bottom 3 and the money shelled out on the attacking options who have two league goals between them, it does beg some tougher questions. Given as City1st rightly points out the clubs aim is to finish as high as we can in the league then surely 18th after 7 games must be questioned.

 

I have to say in patches this team have shown what they are capable of, Stoke 1st half and Chelsea second half was a joy to watch, surely we can play a full 90 like that, so are the players to blame or coaching?

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---- ricardo: CH did say that he thought Elmander could also play that nine and a half roll.

Elmander in the 9.5 role, well that has been a complete failure.

---- ricardo: There was a mention about Becchio and CH said last season it was his decision to go with Grant Holt as the main man and that this season we had bought higher quality strikers. He said he was reluctant to let Becchio go on loan at the moment.

He is reluctant to use him as a sub, even in games where RvW was struggling badly. It is no issue now Hooper is fit.

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I would imagine another event similar to last nights will be held soon after the turn of the year. Makes sense for this to happen as by that time, we will have a clearer idea of how we are progressing this season.

Last night they did get an easy ride, but perhaps didn''t deserve a rough ride either, we are only 7 games in after all. I think it went fine. One or two questions citing concerns at how we have performed so far in certain games were put across fairly and answered well. That was it. That was enough. Fan forums don''t automatically mean you have to go along and get angry at them. Small concerns have been mentioned. That was enough.

Ok our form over the last 30 games has been very questionable to say the least, but if we go into another fans forum in early 2014 still in 18th place then by all means people should turn up and cite major concerns as to whether we will survive and why we are in that position after spending the money we have done, but after 7 games and two of our best performances of the season - perhaps just take it easy. Last night was maybe a bit of a chance to feel each other out, as it were. It went well.

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They got the ride that the people present wanted them to get. There was no vetting of questions. In fact at times I wondered if the questions were going to dry up. Folk have expressed their displeasure at the finishing time and yet nobody did when they had the opportunity. A lot of the gripes on here are typical keyboard responses after the event.

 

Nutty''s controversial view from the fans forum numero uno : -

 

Nobody there could give a damn about increasing stadium capacity! Good news for the likes of me who don''t want to see money diverted into the building of stands.

 

 

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They got the ride that the people present wanted them to get. There was no vetting of questions. In fact at times I wondered if the questions were going to dry up. Folk have expressed their displeasure at the finishing time and yet nobody did when they had the opportunity. A lot of the gripes on here are typical keyboard responses after the event.

 

Nutty''s controversial view from the fans forum numero uno : -

 

Nobody there could give a damn about increasing stadium capacity! Good news for the likes of me who don''t want to see money diverted into the building of stands.

 

 

[/quote]Yes, the lack of a question on stadium expansion was a surprise. I almost asked the question myself but decided not to blow my cover.[;)]

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I could care less right now about stadium expansion - look at Wolves. I''m glad no questions were asked on the subject.

The early finish time was annoying, but I''m not sure what more could''ve been asked of CH in terms of team selections etc. He''s very good at saying a lot that actually contains very little, if you see what i mean.

I think it''s harsh to call me (and others) a keyboard warrior for just saying it was a fair meeting. We''re 7 games in. When we''re 27 games in and (possibly) still in 18th position then by all means get a bit more angry at the meetings, but to get all agitated about stuff last night just seemed unnecessary.

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Was it me who called you a keyboard warrior?

 

The point I was making was there was ample time for people there to show displeasure at the early finish or other things that have since been moaned about on here.

 

The meeting was a fair reflection of the views expressed and the questions asked. As it would always be.

 

 

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[quote user="ricardo"][quote user="nutty nigel"]

They got the ride that the people present wanted them to get. There was no vetting of questions. In fact at times I wondered if the questions were going to dry up. Folk have expressed their displeasure at the finishing time and yet nobody did when they had the opportunity. A lot of the gripes on here are typical keyboard responses after the event.

 

Nutty''s controversial view from the fans forum numero uno : -

 

Nobody there could give a damn about increasing stadium capacity! Good news for the likes of me who don''t want to see money diverted into the building of stands.

 

 

[/quote]Yes, the lack of a question on stadium expansion was a surprise. I almost asked the question myself but decided not to blow my cover.[;)][/quote]

 

Especially as McNally threw the subject to the floor during his opening speech. Hopefully he will take on board the apathy shown to that particular topic...

 

 

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[quote user="nutty nigel"]

Especially as McNally threw the subject to the floor during his opening speech. Hopefully he will take on board the apathy shown to that particular topic...

[/quote]Perhaps holding such a discussion with non season ticket holders might be more productive? [:|]

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[quote user="nutty nigel"]

They got the ride that the people present wanted them to get. There was no vetting of questions. In fact at times I wondered if the questions were going to dry up. Folk have expressed their displeasure at the finishing time and yet nobody did when they had the opportunity. A lot of the gripes on here are typical keyboard responses after the event.

 [/quote]I don''t think that''s true Nutty.The people at the top table, particularly the Manager and Chief Exec are skilled public speakers pretty much at ease in the surroundings and this will almost always be the case. Unless the questioner is as comfortable, few are, then the Club representatives will always have the upper hand. It''s interesting to note that employees of the Club very rarely raise their voices or get too flustered when under pressure in contrast to Joe Public who often does when outmanoeuvred by a slick speaker. People are generally a little intimidated by public meetings and often wish they''d said something at the time but fear of being made to look silly stops them.It''s much easier and safer to have a rant on here.

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Was good to see you again at the forum Smithy. I agree with what you are saying mostly. I''ve made myself look silly so many times it''s water off a ducks back now! But a lot of the problem boils down to the ridiculous "them and us" scenario. I don''t understand why so many supporters seem to think the club and the supporters are on different sides. This might have been the case in other eras but right now we all have the same aspirations. Nobody is looking for profit. Nobody takes money out of the club that isn''t earned.  We are all striving to finish as high as possible in the premier league.

 

 

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