Norma Stick 0 Posted August 27, 2013 Will Hughton and his cohorts'' position be untenable? Poor performance against a 10-man relegation favourite team on Saturday followed by an early exit in the cup would surely mean the end? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
City 2nd 191 Posted August 27, 2013 Depends solely on how the owners/board and McNally see it and I would not expect a knee jerk reaction by any of them particularly as the fringe players in the squad will be utilised for tonights game. CH will be given a few more than 3 games to get things going - but if he doesn''t after 10 or so games he may come under greater pressure than mete supporter mutiny. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dubai Mark 0 Posted August 27, 2013 To sort what out? We have simply lost one of our first two matches and put in a poor performance, and we could have been comfortable had we finished our chances in the first fifteen minutes on Saturday, something people are conveniently over looking, and the performance would have been the same but a different result and nobody would be over reacting I''m sure.If we lose aganinst Bury it really isnt the end of the world, keeping in The Premier League and securing enough points over the 38 games in a long season is what it is still about for our club and you can just about guarantee that there will be several moer downs and many ups during the season.I guess CH will use his squad sensibly vs Bury, give run outs to those who need it and keep those players fresh he needs for the more important fixture on Saturday, it should still be a strong team considering our squad strength even considering the injuries already picked up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Morisons Prozac 0 Posted August 27, 2013 Would be stupid for any club to sack their manager now. Give him a couple of months and if there is no improvement get rid then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lake district canary 4,531 Posted August 27, 2013 [quote user="CamelFish"]Will Hughton and his cohorts'' position be untenable? Poor performance against a 10-man relegation favourite team on Saturday followed by an early exit in the cup would surely mean the end?[/quote]Are you serious? A manager who took us to our highest position in the league in twenty years? A manager who orchestrated wins over 4 of the top six clubs last season? A manager who because of his reputatioin has managed to get some real quality signings and not had a chance to put them into service yet? It must be a wind up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Highland Canary 76 Posted August 27, 2013 Failing to beat Southampton would be a much more worrying result than the equivalent against Bury. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pete 318 Posted August 27, 2013 At the beggining of last season I considered the appointment of Hughton the best possible choice. Last season he rectified our defensive failings but the football was not the best. With £15m attacking flair added was expecting better and certainly when playing the leagues lesser lights. So what team plays against Hull Tettey and Johnson start, so CH starts with a defensive attitude. RvW an expensive addition gets to live off scraps, what has he left himself in for?Seemingly in for another dire season struggling at wrong end of table. Not a CH supporter any more and feel we will be better getting rid sooner rather than later. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Move Klose 303 Posted August 27, 2013 Im not a huge hughton fan but he got us to an 11th place finish last year so hes definately earned the right to be given at least 10 games before judging him this season. A good performance against everton so lets hope hull was just 1 of those days. A good win tonight and 3 points against southampton will go a long way in making up for the hull game. Saying that southampton at home will be tough Lovren, wanyama, lallana, ramirez, lambert, osvaldo. They''ve definately recruited well and we certainly seem to struggle home and away to them no matter what league we are in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Norma Stick 0 Posted August 27, 2013 [quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="CamelFish"]Will Hughton and his cohorts'' position be untenable? Poor performance against a 10-man relegation favourite team on Saturday followed by an early exit in the cup would surely mean the end?[/quote]Are you serious? A manager who took us to our highest position in the league in twenty years? A manager who orchestrated wins over 4 of the top six clubs last season? A manager who because of his reputatioin has managed to get some real quality signings and not had a chance to put them into service yet? It must be a wind up.[/quote]Read the post; it is not an opinion, it is a couple of questions to open up a discussion. So no, it is not a wind-up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lake district canary 4,531 Posted August 27, 2013 [quote user="CamelFish"][quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="CamelFish"]Will Hughton and his cohorts'' position be untenable? Poor performance against a 10-man relegation favourite team on Saturday followed by an early exit in the cup would surely mean the end?[/quote]Are you serious? A manager who took us to our highest position in the league in twenty years? A manager who orchestrated wins over 4 of the top six clubs last season? A manager who because of his reputatioin has managed to get some real quality signings and not had a chance to put them into service yet? It must be a wind up.[/quote]Read the post; it is not an opinion, it is a couple of questions to open up a discussion. So no, it is not a wind-up.[/quote]I''ve read it again. The second question undoubtedly expresses your opinion that if we lose to Bury, it would "surely mean the end". Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ron obvious 1,501 Posted August 27, 2013 The OP doesn''t express an opinion in much the same manner as asking the question "when did you stop beating your wife?" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Norma Stick 0 Posted August 27, 2013 [quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="CamelFish"][quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="CamelFish"]Will Hughton and his cohorts'' position be untenable? Poor performance against a 10-man relegation favourite team on Saturday followed by an early exit in the cup would surely mean the end?[/quote]Are you serious? A manager who took us to our highest position in the league in twenty years? A manager who orchestrated wins over 4 of the top six clubs last season? A manager who because of his reputatioin has managed to get some real quality signings and not had a chance to put them into service yet? It must be a wind up.[/quote] Read the post; it is not an opinion, it is a couple of questions to open up a discussion. So no, it is not a wind-up.[/quote]I''ve read it again. The second question undoubtedly expresses your opinion that if we lose to Bury, it would "surely mean the end". [/quote]So the question mark on the end is not a giveaway? Jog on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SeattleCanary 0 Posted August 27, 2013 [quote user="CamelFish"]Will Hughton and his cohorts'' position be untenable? Poor performance against a 10-man relegation favourite team on Saturday followed by an early exit in the cup would surely mean the end?[/quote]Not if the performance is good. If we give it a go, and lose then theres no reason he should be given any grief whatsoever! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lake district canary 4,531 Posted August 27, 2013 [quote user="CamelFish"][quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="CamelFish"][quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="CamelFish"]Will Hughton and his cohorts'' position be untenable? Poor performance against a 10-man relegation favourite team on Saturday followed by an early exit in the cup would surely mean the end?[/quote]Are you serious? A manager who took us to our highest position in the league in twenty years? A manager who orchestrated wins over 4 of the top six clubs last season? A manager who because of his reputatioin has managed to get some real quality signings and not had a chance to put them into service yet? It must be a wind up.[/quote] Read the post; it is not an opinion, it is a couple of questions to open up a discussion. So no, it is not a wind-up.[/quote]I''ve read it again. The second question undoubtedly expresses your opinion that if we lose to Bury, it would "surely mean the end". [/quote]So the question mark on the end is not a giveaway?Jog on.[/quote]Go on then - you asked the questions. What are your answers? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Norma Stick 0 Posted August 27, 2013 [quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="CamelFish"][quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="CamelFish"][quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="CamelFish"]Will Hughton and his cohorts'' position be untenable? Poor performance against a 10-man relegation favourite team on Saturday followed by an early exit in the cup would surely mean the end?[/quote]Are you serious? A manager who took us to our highest position in the league in twenty years? A manager who orchestrated wins over 4 of the top six clubs last season? A manager who because of his reputatioin has managed to get some real quality signings and not had a chance to put them into service yet? It must be a wind up.[/quote] Read the post; it is not an opinion, it is a couple of questions to open up a discussion. So no, it is not a wind-up.[/quote]I''ve read it again. The second question undoubtedly expresses your opinion that if we lose to Bury, it would "surely mean the end". [/quote]So the question mark on the end is not a giveaway?Jog on.[/quote]Go on then - you asked the questions. What are your answers? [/quote]OK, firstly I don''t think that Hughton and his cohorts'' position is untenable, yet, but a defeat and increased sections of the crowd will be calling for his head. I''ve never been entirely convinced about Hughton''s credentials. OK, 11th is the highest position since the days of Mike Walker in the 90s, but that''s not a correct reflection of the season. Until 3 games to go, we were still in a relegation scrap and came up against 2 teams who were in effect "on the beach" in WBA and Man City. I''ve looked at Hughton''s record as a manager. Discounting his time at Newcastle when he won the Championship at a canter with a Premier League side, his win ratio is not impressive. On reflection, I don''t believe that the board will knee-jerk react to a defeat by Bury, but it will certainly heap an awful amount of pressure on Hughton and Co. and if he loses the fans, it won''t be long before he loses the board and is out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joanna Grey 0 Posted August 27, 2013 City 2nd wrote - "...particularly as the fringe players in the squad will be utilised for tonights game...."With the exception of Becchio (if he plays) we will not be fielding any fringe players tonight. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Move Klose 303 Posted August 27, 2013 Maybe butterfield. As he didnt play for u21s either Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Warren Hill 0 Posted August 27, 2013 [quote user="CamelFish"][quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="CamelFish"][quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="CamelFish"][quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="CamelFish"]Will Hughton and his cohorts'' position be untenable? Poor performance against a 10-man relegation favourite team on Saturday followed by an early exit in the cup would surely mean the end?[/quote]Are you serious? A manager who took us to our highest position in the league in twenty years? A manager who orchestrated wins over 4 of the top six clubs last season? A manager who because of his reputatioin has managed to get some real quality signings and not had a chance to put them into service yet? It must be a wind up.[/quote] Read the post; it is not an opinion, it is a couple of questions to open up a discussion. So no, it is not a wind-up.[/quote]I''ve read it again. The second question undoubtedly expresses your opinion that if we lose to Bury, it would "surely mean the end". [/quote]So the question mark on the end is not a giveaway?Jog on.[/quote]Go on then - you asked the questions. What are your answers? [/quote]OK, firstly I don''t think that Hughton and his cohorts'' position is untenable, yet, but a defeat and increased sections of the crowd will be calling for his head. I''ve never been entirely convinced about Hughton''s credentials. OK, 11th is the highest position since the days of Mike Walker in the 90s, but that''s not a correct reflection of the season. Until 3 games to go, we were still in a relegation scrap and came up against 2 teams who were in effect "on the beach" in WBA and Man City. I''ve looked at Hughton''s record as a manager. Discounting his time at Newcastle when he won the Championship at a canter with a Premier League side, his win ratio is not impressive. On reflection, I don''t believe that the board will knee-jerk react to a defeat by Bury, but it will certainly heap an awful amount of pressure on Hughton and Co. and if he loses the fans, it won''t be long before he loses the board and is out.[/quote] Two questions: 1) What would be a "correct reflection" of the season if the table after everybody has played everybody twice isn''t it?2) Why when you are looking at a managers win ratio would you discount a successful season unless you''re deliberately trying to skew the figures to suit an agenda? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
*** 0 Posted August 27, 2013 Get 6 or more points adrift at the bottom of the table by October, then yes, untenable imo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birchfest 397 Posted August 27, 2013 If we win against Bury will we stop getting these rediculous suggestions to get rid of our manager after 2 games? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alex Moss 2,165 Posted August 27, 2013 I don''t think we''ll lose to Bury. I''m just looking forward to seeing what this Hughton team can do when Bassong, Hooper, Pilkington, Snodgrass etc are all back fit and raring to go - although Redmond has looked class (dare I suggest on here extremely positive in his play and with a very decent eye for goal - not exactly the defensive play that people insist Hughton instills in his players minds). I believe we''ll see far more ''attacking'' performances then, and RvW getting the service he deserves. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QHcanary 0 Posted August 27, 2013 [quote user="Wiz"]Like you spartacus, I''ve slept on it and calmed down..................and I think he has to go now before its too late.[/quote][quote user="Wiz"]Get 6 or more points adrift at the bottom of the table by October, then yes, untenable imo.[/quote]LOLI don''t think the result in this game will matter to the board one bit. The PL is their one and only priority. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ReadingCanary 0 Posted August 27, 2013 Some of our "fans" don''t deserve to support our clubWonder where some of these "fans" were during the dark daysSome people seem to only know the Lambert daysIt wasn''t always rosy in the Yellow and Green side of East Anglia you knowHow people can possibly be outraged 2 games into a season having finished in 11th the season before is beyond crazy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nicko 0 Posted August 27, 2013 Im not a negative person but I think we will lose to Bury. I like Hughton and I want him in but all the signs are there for a cupset. It ain''t the end of the world though - our league form is far more important. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ref89 0 Posted August 27, 2013 Not a chance. People want him out to satisfy their ridiculous opinions of our potential.[quote user="birchfest"]If we win against Bury will we stop getting these rediculous suggestions to get rid of our manager after 2 games?[/quote] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
*** 0 Posted August 27, 2013 [quote user="QHcanary"][quote user="Wiz"]Like you spartacus, I''ve slept on it and calmed down..................and I think he has to go now before its too late.[/quote] [quote user="Wiz"]Get 6 or more points adrift at the bottom of the table by October, then yes, untenable imo.[/quote] LOL I don''t think the result in this game will matter to the board one bit. The PL is their one and only priority.[/quote] Bugger!! I don''t like you or your posts, but you''ve hit the nail on the head with this one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
snake-eyes 13 Posted August 27, 2013 I am fed up with some of the high and mighty, holier than thou responses to legitimate concerns.It is as though you are not allowed to criticise or be worried about the team without being told you are not a proper supporter and don''t deserve a club like Norwich!That is just bullsh*t!I said it last year and l will say it again!It''s because we care and support our team that we rightly voice our concerns!The argument is lost when attacks on an argument become personal! I am as much a supporter as any other and no -one can say otherwise!Snake Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Joanna Grey 0 Posted August 27, 2013 Eadie4England wrote the following post at 27/08/2013 9:50 AM:"Maybe butterfield. As he didnt play for u21s either."Yeah, remembered him a while after I posted. ;-) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
*** 0 Posted August 27, 2013 [quote user="snake-eyes"]I am fed up with some of the high and mighty, holier than thou responses to legitimate concerns. It is as though you are not allowed to criticise or be worried about the team without being told you are not a proper supporter and don''t deserve a club like Norwich! That is just bullsh*t! I said it last year and l will say it again! It''s because we care and support our team that we rightly voice our concerns! The argument is lost when attacks on an argument become personal! I am as much a supporter as any other and no -one can say otherwise! Snake[/quote] Huzzah![Y] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cantiaci Canary 556 Posted August 27, 2013 The result tonight will have NO bearing on Hughton''s future.1. Let the new players gel with the old.2. Let us see a fully fit Snodgrass with Hooper, Pilkington and Bassong.3. Trust McNally. He knows a hell of a lot more than us about what''s going on behind the scenes and isn''t afraid to act. If he thinks it''s appropriate and necessary to eject Hughton he will. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites