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£8.5m on a 30 year old?

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[quote user="Ches right hand man "][quote user="TheNewBoy"][quote user="Ches right hand man "][quote user="TheNewBoy"][quote user="Ches right hand man "][quote user="TheNewBoy"][quote user="Ches right hand man "]Can we end this thread? Clearly the majority want him and the minority the op doesn''t. [/quote]
If you read this thread and concluded that I''m the only person with doubts then you need to visit this website: http://www.starfall.com/
Che Guevara was a totalitarian fascist with the blood of his own people on his hands, by the way. 
[/quote]So we should bend over backwards for uncle sam? Millions are dying in the middle east over oil. Getting back to topic only wiz and other trolls seem against which category are you? [/quote]
Against Quag or Che Guevara? Definitely against Guevara. 
I''ve stated quite clearly at least twice in this thread that I will trust Hughtons judgement but am surprised at the figures stated for a player who would be a bit of a risk. I also said that despite my reservations, if he signs I will just look forward to watching him play in the yellow and green. I''m not entirely against the idea, in fact I''ve never really heard of him, but that''s partly the point. I suspect he will be a great player, but that doesn''t mean that spending such a huge chunk of the budget doesn''t concern me. 
As for Che Guevara. He sentenced up to 2000 people to death by firing squad without trial, and then embarked on something called ''population consolidation'', establishing a concentration camp where he would send homosexuals, anybody who spoke out against the regime, academics, and anybody else that he considered undesirable.
He was also very outspoken about what he perceived as the inferior black race and considered lighter skinned people to be superior genetically.
Not only did he share a fair bit in common with Adolf Hitler, he also shares a fair bit in common with Islamists as he would call for martydom and his dream was to
be killed in battle. He banned rock music too (yeah, freedom?!!). 
I suppose he was fine if you were not homosexual, dark skinned,  a fan of rock music, or in any way adverse to being controlled to the point where you would face a firing
squad for possessing a different opinion to those in control of your government. 
[/quote]I like to see your evidence for all of this and what is Guantanamo bay? Clearly you don''t understand what a fascist is. And I am pretty sure Cuba Bolivia Angola all had mixed race people which he supported uprisings in.[/quote]
This is my last response to this (may read and reply to your PM), but just wanted to point out that I am not pro-America and never said that I was, so really don''t see what the significance of Guantanamo Bay is. I find it intriguing that you admire somebody who would never have allowed his people the freedom that you are enjoying right now, which is the freedom of uncensored expression of opinion. I do want to point out that the UK has its very own Guantanamo though, that''s Camp Bastion, where people have also been detained for years without trial and subjected to torture, so don''t be being too critical of American foreign policy when our own government and forces are engaged in the same activity. 
[/quote]For one that is Castro Cuba not Che''s and I pointed out America because of Americans activities in Cuba, Bolivia and other South American countries at the time. The British government is the yes boy to the American foreign policy if American want to invade we soon follow. And to be fair I think you''re pretty much distorted by Western propaganda. If the people at the top think they can rip off the bottom then they''re not my people and they can feel the wraith of a toppled society.  [/quote]
FFS, being critical of a cold blooded murderer does not make me a right-wing tory voting hedge fund manager. I''m a democratic socialist. Guevara was a totalitarian oppressor of his own people and guilty of some horrific crimes. I admire Lenin and Trotsky, not Guevara. That doesn''t make me a worshipper of George Bush, Exxon, Rupert Murdoch, Fracking, and the Daily Mail. Guevara established the firing squads and the first Cuban concentration camp, it is well documented. That makes him an evil f*ck. 

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I have you know Fracking is the Future! So start worshipping it and move away from earthquake areas (Cumbria, North West England and Wales)........

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[quote user="Indy"]I have you know Fracking is the Future! So start worshipping it and move away from earthquake areas (Cumbria, North West England and Wales)........[/quote]
We have hundreds of years of coal beneath the surface. 

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[quote user="TheNewBoy"][quote user="Indy"]I have you know Fracking is the Future! So start worshipping it and move away from earthquake areas (Cumbria, North West England and Wales)........[/quote]


We have hundreds of years of coal beneath the surface. 

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Yes but coal is hard to extract without pit ponies and young lads down the coal mines. Fracking is cheaper and will ensure that the energy levels required by us the keyboard generation are supplied.

 

I''m all for getting the lazy sods off their backsides and back to work and would happily see the pits opened again for those on benefits! Not sure that most PC people would agree! ;-)

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[quote user="Indy"][quote user="TheNewBoy"][quote user="Indy"]I have you know Fracking is the Future! So start worshipping it and move away from earthquake areas (Cumbria, North West England and Wales)........[/quote]

We have hundreds of years of coal beneath the surface. 

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Yes but coal is hard to extract without pit ponies and young lads down the coal mines. Fracking is cheaper and will ensure that the energy levels required by us the keyboard generation are supplied.

 

I''m all for getting the lazy sods off their backsides and back to work and would happily see the pits opened again for those on benefits! Not sure that most PC people would agree! ;-)

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The real reason for coal being uneconomical now is that the mines have all filled with water which they have no viable way of removing. If Thatcher hadn''t been so short sighted we would probably be using our own coal for 30% of our national energy needs. Coal mines actually require highly skilled people now, they use 21st century technology and the process of digging coal is mechanical. That means that ''coal miners'' are now on £30k+ and have engineering degrees. You don''t need many of them beneath the surface either. 

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But if we do open the pits again the down side would be Pit Brass Bands starting up in each area with that god awful droning sound!

 

Nope on seconfd thoughts keep them closed and thank Maggie for getting rid of Pit Brass Band music.

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But if we do open the pits again the down side would be Pit Brass Bands starting up in each area with that god awful droning sound

Nope on seconfd thoughts keep them closed and thank Maggie for getting rid of Pit Brass Band music.

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Me and you will get along a lot better if we avoid talking about politics ;)

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[quote user="pilksfanclub"]I have said from the start I don''t this is a good deal. No sell on value for a player arguably past his best. Big money when the resources could be better spread also think we should be looking for sell on value and for a player who can grow here rather than one who could decline[/quote]I totally agree, and it is ironic that some argued that we should sell Holt before his sell-on value plummeted. 

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[quote user="TheNewBoy"][quote user="Johnny Stump"]You couldn''t add this to the existing thread?[/quote]


I read the first few pages and couldn''t see discussion about the 10m fee, twenty one pages is rather a lot to skim through. Our time on this earth is finite. 

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Exactly! Even more reason to add it to the existing thread. Then I skip to the next page and see fracking and coal being debated with some passion. So perhaps it is something totally different but, you have to ask, what''s it got to do with NCFC? My time is limited too so I haven''t read all the other pages.

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I think you two would sort out the left and right winger positions no probs.

 

Now back to this 30-year-old Italian. Plays in the centre so sounds like he can''t make up his mind. Liberal?

 

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[quote user="Webbo118"][quote user="TheNewBoy"][quote user="Johnny Stump"]You couldn''t add this to the existing thread?[/quote]


I read the first few pages and couldn''t see discussion about the 10m fee, twenty one pages is rather a lot to skim through. Our time on this earth is finite. 

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Exactly! Even more reason to add it to the existing thread. Then I skip to the next page and see fracking and coal being debated with some passion. So perhaps it is something totally different but, you have to ask, what''s it got to do with NCFC? My time is limited too so I haven''t read all the other pages.

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I don''t do politics, all parties are as corrupt as eahc other, they only look after themselves, I am not blue, red orange or green. My view is instead of bickering at each other like over graown children, sit down, review the problems, formaulate a plan, instigate the plan and monitor the execusion, if the milestone are not met, then review and implement new solutions.

 

Easy really as a senior pm within the oil & gas world, we do this kind fo thing on a regular bases and can be implemented into any form of life event.

 

Don''t ask me about relegion too as I don''t do that either.

 

You do know that coal fired power stations are more expensive to build and the process a lot more complex than gas powered?

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[quote user="Indy"]You do know that coal fired power stations are more expensive to build and the process a lot more complex than gas powered?[/quote]You can''t beat a nice coal fire......

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[quote user="Indy"]

I don''t do politics, all parties are as corrupt as eahc other, they only look after themselves, I am not blue, red orange or green. My view is instead of bickering at each other like over graown children, sit down, review the problems, formaulate a plan, instigate the plan and monitor the execusion, if the milestone are not met, then review and implement new solutions.

 

Easy really as a senior pm within the oil & gas world, we do this kind fo thing on a regular bases and can be implemented into any form of life event.

 

Don''t ask me about relegion too as I don''t do that either.

 

You do know that coal fired power stations are more expensive to build and the process a lot more complex than gas powered?

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Looks like you don''t do spelling either....

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[quote user="cornish sam"][quote user="Indy"]

I don''t do politics, all parties are as corrupt as eahc other, they only look after themselves, I am not blue, red orange or green. My view is instead of bickering at each other like over graown children, sit down, review the problems, formaulate a plan, instigate the plan and monitor the execusion, if the milestone are not met, then review and implement new solutions.

 

Easy really as a senior pm within the oil & gas world, we do this kind fo thing on a regular bases and can be implemented into any form of life event.

 

Don''t ask me about relegion too as I don''t do that either.

 

You do know that coal fired power stations are more expensive to build and the process a lot more complex than gas powered?

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Looks like you don''t do spelling either....

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Nope don''t have time to check what my sausage fingers have hit! Just type and post.

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[quote user="Indy"]

You do know that coal fired power stations are more expensive to build and the process a lot more complex than gas powered?

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Well just so long as you are aware that East Anglia is one of the areas most likely to need to import water in the future, and that areas which will be affected by fracking are those which have an abundant supply of the stuff. 

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[quote user="Indy"][quote user="cornish sam"][quote user="Indy"]

I don''t do politics, all parties are as corrupt as eahc other, they only look after themselves, I am not blue, red orange or green. My view is instead of bickering at each other like over graown children, sit down, review the problems, formaulate a plan, instigate the plan and monitor the execusion, if the milestone are not met, then review and implement new solutions.

 

Easy really as a senior pm within the oil & gas world, we do this kind fo thing on a regular bases and can be implemented into any form of life event.

 

Don''t ask me about relegion too as I don''t do that either.

 

You do know that coal fired power stations are more expensive to build and the process a lot more complex than gas powered?

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Looks like you don''t do spelling either....

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Nope don''t have time to check what my sausage fingers have hit! Just type and post.

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I do like a good sausage fingers, always preferred monkey thumbs though.

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[quote user="cornish sam"][quote user="Indy"][quote user="cornish sam"][quote user="Indy"]

I don''t do politics, all parties are as corrupt as eahc other, they only look after themselves, I am not blue, red orange or green. My view is instead of bickering at each other like over graown children, sit down, review the problems, formaulate a plan, instigate the plan and monitor the execusion, if the milestone are not met, then review and implement new solutions.

 

Easy really as a senior pm within the oil & gas world, we do this kind fo thing on a regular bases and can be implemented into any form of life event.

 

Don''t ask me about relegion too as I don''t do that either.

 

You do know that coal fired power stations are more expensive to build and the process a lot more complex than gas powered?

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Looks like you don''t do spelling either....

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Nope don''t have time to check what my sausage fingers have hit! Just type and post.

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I do like a good sausage fingers, always preferred monkey thumbs though.

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I suppose it beats having fishy fingers.

 

Back to the thread, how about the question, it''s not about do we rate him but would we be happy as supporters to be paying 8.5 million + 7.5 million (three year wages) + signing on fees and such like for a 30 year old (31 this year), who speaks little English, never played outside his native country and might not settle in a quiet area of the UK?

 

A yes or no would do really.......

 

For me it''s a No.

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[quote user="Indy"][quote user="cornish sam"][quote user="Indy"][quote user="cornish sam"][quote user="Indy"]

I don''t do politics, all parties are as corrupt as eahc other, they only look after themselves, I am not blue, red orange or green. My view is instead of bickering at each other like over graown children, sit down, review the problems, formaulate a plan, instigate the plan and monitor the execusion, if the milestone are not met, then review and implement new solutions.

 

Easy really as a senior pm within the oil & gas world, we do this kind fo thing on a regular bases and can be implemented into any form of life event.

 

Don''t ask me about relegion too as I don''t do that either.

 

You do know that coal fired power stations are more expensive to build and the process a lot more complex than gas powered?

[/quote]

 

 

Looks like you don''t do spelling either....

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Nope don''t have time to check what my sausage fingers have hit! Just type and post.

[/quote]

 

 

I do like a good sausage fingers, always preferred monkey thumbs though.

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I suppose it beats having fishy fingers.

 

Back to the thread, how about the question, it''s not about do we rate him but would we be happy as supporters to be paying 8.5 million + 7.5 million (three year wages) + signing on fees and such like for a 30 year old (31 this year), who speaks little English, never played outside his native country and might not settle in a quiet area of the UK?

 

A yes or no would do really.......

 

For me it''s a No.

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Well if you will be boring and get back on to the topic...

He isn''t actually 31 until next year (January 31st), the 2.5 million quoted as a wage is in Euro (which I know has been discussed earlier and if you factor in employer NI that bumps it up, but since when does that actually get included in such discussions) and do we know he speaks little English or is that just an assumption?

For me it''s a yes, I want Norwich to have that special something that he could bring regardless of the (in this instance not unreasonable) cost. If we were looking at a £15million fee with £60k p/w wages then that would be too much, but as the wages are not that much different to what we were paying Holt we are effectively paying £6.5million to get a younger, better Holt...

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8.5m for a 30 year old is a far better deal than 8.5m for a 24 year old, as in the fist case you pay 0.28m per year while in the second case a year costs 0.35m. Simple as.

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[quote user="Budapest Canary"]8.5m for a 30 year old is a far better deal than 8.5m for a 24 year old, as in the fist case you pay 0.28m per year while in the second case a year costs 0.35m. Simple as.[/quote]
I knew there was a good reason to resign Huckerby :-D

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I have to admit I don''t understand the outcry over the thread title.

The main problem seeming to be he has no resale value, why do we want to sell our best players on?

The far more worrying thing for me is it is a lot of money for a player who has never played in England let alone been proven in the PL and we have no idea how he would adapt to the game in this country or the area.

That same risk obviously exists with the two Dutch signings but we all seem fairly certain they will be a success and at least they can almost certainly speak english well and Holland is less than an hour by plane.

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[quote user="can u sit down please"]What is the fascination with resale value? Jeez. It''s the new "asda spotting".[/quote]
Well if you buy a player for £8m and sell him for £8m, then you are left with extra money to reinvest in your squad.
If you buy a player for £8m and sell him for £0, then you are left with no extra money to reinvest into your squad. 

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[quote user="The New Boy"][quote user="can u sit down please"]What is the fascination with resale value? Jeez. It''s the new "asda spotting".[/quote]
Well if you buy a player for £8m and sell him for £8m, then you are left with extra money to reinvest in your squad.
If you buy a player for £8m and sell him for £0, then you are left with no extra money to reinvest into your squad. 
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Unless the said player keeps you in the PL for 3 years and nets you 70 Million per season?

Or better still, takes you to the next level and European Football

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[quote user="CDMullins"][quote user="The New Boy"][quote user="can u sit down please"]What is the fascination with resale value? Jeez. It''s the new "asda spotting".[/quote]
Well if you buy a player for £8m and sell him for £8m, then you are left with extra money to reinvest in your squad.
If you buy a player for £8m and sell him for £0, then you are left with no extra money to reinvest into your squad. 
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Unless the said player keeps you in the PL for 3 years and nets you 70 Million per season?

Or better still, takes you to the next level and European Football[/quote]
Sure, but the opposite could also happen, he may not be a success and if that is the case then it would result in a huge write-off. We will see... 

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Yeah but he was probably about 45 by then, Nigerian players are famous for lying about their age. They all play for the Nigerian Under 18''s when they are about 25 years old and then sign get a club in Europe with their fake documents. 

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