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Zak Van Burger, July 24, 2013 in Main Discussion - Norwich City
Been on holiday. Who is this Hooper that you speak of? Has Houghton been sacked or something?
[quote user="Joanna Grey"]Did anyone see the Neil Lennon interview on SSN last night? I''m sure that he said Nottingham (meaning Norwich I presume) have made a bid but they turned it down.[/quote]
That''s mental if true. It''s starting to look like we either don''t want him, or we have indeed set out some sort of ''take it or leave'' it offer.
Not a single new Hooper thread today so far.
But he''s turned up in the Times Crossword today though.
6. Take the heart out of a Fer, for example, hooray, and come up with a ''will he won''t he'' conundrum. (4,6)
Seems obvious to me that QPR have offered enough but he doesn''t want to go there, we haven''t offered enough but he does want to come to us. So there''s an empasse with Celtic refusing our offer and Hooper left hanging. And everyone has a gun to everyone''s head:
Hooper to Celtic - "if you don''t let me go i won''t play for you and you''ll get nothing for me when my contract ends."
Celtic to Hooper - "you''re not going anywhere until we get the offer we want from a club you want to move to."
Celtic to Norwich - "if you want him you have to pay us £5m."
Norwich to Celtic - "if you want to get some money for him before he leaves for nothing, you better sell him to us."
So it''s all about whose gun is firing blanks! If Celtic can financially cope with him leaving for nothing - they are unlikely to have been budgeting for his transfer - they will win out. Once the window is shut, Hooper will have to be bought back in to the fold and will have to get on with it and show he''s a professional. Also, the longer it drags on the more it favours Celtic as we will be moving on to other targets. Which is a shame. As others have said, i''d much prefer him and RvW than someone like Maxi Lopez who seems a very strange target for us!
You might be right a1, but surely all this procrastination is about more than just £1/2m or so?
I think that there might be more to it than that and, for one reason or another, our interest may heave wained somewhat.
Hooper''s demands might be excessive or one or two of the other irons in the fire might be hotter than we realise.
I have always felt that a surprise might be in store and Hooper is anything but a surprise now.
@a1canaryYou’ve made quite a few presumptions there. Hooper has never said he wants togo to Norwich, he has never said he wants to leave Celtic, in fact he’s notsaid anything at all.
Where we are just now is, there is acontract on the table from Celtic, he has not signed this. This can only be for1 of 2 reasons, a) he wants to leave, or b) he wants to stay but is holding outfor a better contract offer.
Celtic accepted a bid for Hooper lastweek, believed to have been QPR in the region of £5m, Hooper’s representativeshave been in discussions with them but no deal has been done, either becausethe deal isn’t good enough (unlikely since QPR are throwing money at players)or he doesn’t want to go to QPR/The Championship.
I suppose the real test will come ifNorwich make a bid that matches Celtic’s valuation of the player.
I know exactly what you are getting there Dan as I lean towards frugality with NCFC''s money more than I do my own.
However it works both ways. We reportedly were uninterested in a reported £5m+ of Chelsea''s money for Ruddy after all. We have also cashed in on some players this Summer as well, what with £2m+ plus for Holt and £1m+ for Vaughan, whilst it is reported today that Doncaster are to pay £1m for Barnett.
Now bring the vast sums that the Club will be earning next season from all sources and that £1m pales into insignificance, especially when the rewards for success are duplicated for as long as we can achieve it.
A Club like Norwich City will always need to walk a tightrope between income and expenditure, but the powers that be seem to be making a pretty good job of it so far
Paul - if you think that is how simple transfers are dealt with, then you are being naïve.
Try using the ''selling your house'' analogy
All this is predicated on the assumption that we still Hooper, or rather that CH still wants him.
It did seem that a few weeks back we did in fact make a bid, but apparently much lower than that of QPR. We have had opportunity to increase the bid, perhaps to £5.5m, which would apparently satisfy both Lennon and the player. If so, why haven''t we?
Are we playing a game of poker, testing out Lennon? This could be self-defeating, as Lennon keeps saying that he wants Hooper with them for one more season. Does he really, or is he playing games? He has already signed another striker, wouldn''t £4m help towards that?
What is clear is that things have changed since January at both ends, but mainly at ours. In January there was a real panic, "Sign a striker, any striker. We are not scoring goals!" We may have offered as much as £7m. At present we have found a goal scorer, - RVW and possibly Fer, and we have money to acquire a very good striker or two from Europe or elsewhere. The names we have heard as interesting CH are surely able to offer more than Hooper, who is a good goal converter but little more.
So is the situation that our apparent valuation of £4m for Hooper is an indication of what we now think that he is worth, and we are not interested in at even a few hundred thousand more. Or could Hooper become a target in a month from now, if he is still at Celtic, and we have drawn blanks everywhere else? In this case presumably we shall have to match the QPR bid, and Lennon has won, or if he gets slightly panicky we get Hooper at the lower figure and McN''s poker has won.
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