Bill 1,788 Posted July 25, 2013 cross wires here Bethnalof course players can simply be left out of the squad, but as my point was it would be not only pointless but costlyyes they might eventually go out on loan a week after the transfer window shuts but either they are up to it - or perhaps need a bit of ''development'' like Butterfieldthe one point I did overlook is that were City to bring in another (more) U21 player then that would preclude any having to leaveeven there I would suspect that those type of players would be better out on loan getting gamesso is that it, or are there others coming .... if so who will leave ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bethnal Yellow and Green 1,557 Posted July 25, 2013 [quote user="City1st"]cross wires here Bethnalof course players can simply be left out of the squad, but as my point was it would be not only pointless but costlyyes they might eventually go out on loan a week after the transfer window shuts but either they are up to it - or perhaps need a bit of ''development'' like Butterfieldthe one point I did overlook is that were City to bring in another (more) U21 player then that would preclude any having to leaveeven there I would suspect that those type of players would be better out on loan getting gamesso is that it, or are there others coming .... if so who will leave ?[/quote] Totally agree - also ruins any negotiation position when trying to sell or loan out those players. As for who will leave, Barnett is as good as gone in my eyes, Hughton has pretty much said so recently. Beyond that it is hard to tell, you would consider Fox a candidate to leave more than Surman and Butterfield who were both included more when avaliable (Butterfield made the bench against Man City). Ayala also seems surplace to requirements, I really wonder if he would have made the USA trip had Turner and Bassong both been available. I wouldn''t be surprised if someone like Tettey left, he may see chances few and far between next season and, although it is getting old to say it, it is a ''World Cup year'' and he is a fringe player of an international squad (saying that I don''t know how likely Norway are to qualify). Elliott Bennett is another one who might be allowed to leave should a good offer be made for him (if Poyet lands a job with a bit of cash I can see him coming in for a player he like a lot whilst at Brighton). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KeelansGlove 0 Posted July 25, 2013 lifted from PurpleGK: Ruddy, Bunn, Nash.RB: R Martin, Whittaker.LB: Garrido. Olsson.CB: Turner, Bassong, R Bennett, Ayala.RW: Snodgrass, E Bennett.LW: Pilkington, Redmond, Surman.CM: Fox, Butterfield, Howson, Hoolahan, Johnson, Tettey, Fer.ST: Becchio, RVW. HooperThis is 26 (-1 for Redmond under 21)I would expect the final piece of the Jigsaw being a second striker /Goal scoring attacking Midfielder ( I too imagine less game time for Wes) with Fox Butterfield or Surman being the one to miss out either being loaned or sold.We also keep being linked with high profile CBs I would imagine if we do sign someone to steady the "No Bassong" formation Ayala likely to be loaned out again.Defence looks after itself with back good up everywhere.I can imagine Howson and Fer operating as a standard midfield in a 4-4-2 (Never been comfortable with Howson as DM or AM) Allowing us to perhaps Play both Hooper and RVW ?or Fer + Howson/Jonno/Tettey as DMwith new attacker in behind Rvw or HooperIt may be that Redmond/Butterfield/Pilks/Benno could play in behind a striker but we need a real goal threat to avoid our striker being marked out of the game and nullifying our chances. Wes seems to have last the ability to shoot let alone score on a regular basis and I think this was one of the major reasons we scored so few last year.All in all a real quality squad if we can get the last piece maybe RVW can play behind Hooper ?I liked the idea of Toivonen or somebody like him (we could certainly try Fer behind but think we need a specialist no10)Exciting times though. Not sure I would have ever imagined a squad like this for little old us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ReadingCanary 0 Posted July 25, 2013 What about the Murphy''s does it work differently for them because of their ages?Does look like Josh could get some game time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spencer 1970 203 Posted July 25, 2013 @ BethnalBarnett IS gone. Hughton has told him he is "free to find another club" as not in his plans...and before anyone asks for a source, it was stated by MB on the pink un "rumour mill". whether he does go or not, he''ll definately not be in the 25.http://www.pinkun.com/norwich-city/video_norwich_city_rumour_mill_july_22_1_2294346 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted July 25, 2013 Bethnalsee earlier post (today) for I think will go/stayAs to the Murphys and others my understanding is that any player registered with us who is under 21 is able to play in the PLI should imagine their next stage will be out on loan in League 1/2 to get them used to playing League football, as with Ruddy and others. The club will then monitor/develop them from there.We are not now in the position of having to bring players through early so as to help out the team/financesAnd given the huge financial implications of staying in and relegation I cannot see the club putting players into PL games to help them learn. They need to be as good as whoever else is available. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrs miggins 0 Posted July 25, 2013 so i guess with hooper looking to sign our best team would be:-----------------Ruddy------------------martin---turner----bassong---garridosnodgrass---howson--fer--pilkington------wolfswinkel----hooper-----------to me that looks like a great team. Our only weakness seems to be our LB and RB where we have 4 players of similar ability (martin/whittaker, garrido/olsson). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Salopian 1 Posted July 25, 2013 It''s not an issue this year, with the signing of Redmond, but if we have aspirations we must expect our scouts to find young players with potential. They will be signed "for the future", and either loaned out to develop or kept for development. It would be ideal if we could produce our own "wizards" from the academy each year, but we know that really outstanding prospects come along only from time to time. It looks as if we may have a nugget or two in the Murphys, but time will tell. We could do with another Bellamy or Eadie. Most years the majority of our players find a place in one of the lower division sides, while others finish with non-league clubs. Our academy status and ''satellite'' academies will surely increase the chances of finding nuggets, but for the Chelseas and Arsenals of this world, and two or three others, they seem to be spending ''millions'' in transfers merely to their academies of lads at all ages from 8 onwards. This gives them a very good chance of finding outstanding players on their books. I can''t see us ever achieving this, but I think that our scouts in future years will need to focus on undiscovered players with potential. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ReadingCanary 0 Posted July 25, 2013 RVW (or) Hooper HoolahanRedmond Snodgrass Fer Howson Olsson Bassong Turner Whittaker Ruddy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yelloow Since 72 53 Posted July 25, 2013 RVW (or) Hooper HoolahanRedmond Snodgrass Fer Howson Olsson Bassong Turner Whittaker RuddyI think the same,Reading, except that Pilks will start at LW, with Redmond competing both there and if Snodgrass is not available. I also think there will be more rotation this year with the depth available at every position, so Johnson and Tettey will have their share of games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KeelansGlove 0 Posted July 25, 2013 No to Hoolahan as first choice in that position. Great player though he is I think he is the number 1 reason we scored so few goals last year and without Holt I cant see where he fits. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mrs miggins 0 Posted July 25, 2013 everywhere hughton has been at, he has settled for a 4-4-2 formation. Plus the fact that (although I like him) Hoolahan doesn''t get enough assists or goals. Despite giving glimpses of magic I think he''ll be more of an impact player, or be selected to play against the top teams as we may opt to play a more defensive formation. I think that shows how far we''ve come as a club Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mervmeister 18 Posted July 25, 2013 I would go for Howson behind striker. Think he would do great. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Wal 314 Posted July 25, 2013 Do you really believe there will be no more players coming in?I still feel we are in for at least one more pleasant surprise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted July 25, 2013 I would think, and hope so as I still think we need another centre back.Sure Martin can cover, but that would leave RB exposed to any further inuryWe will not get through a season without either an injury or suspension to Bassong, Turner or BennettI would also suggest that we are in the position of not letting go until a replacement comes in - hence Barnett and Ayala still being hereproblem is that is maybe why we have not been able to sign who we want - a sort of player sale chainbut given the standard and potential already brought in I think your description "at least one more pleasant surprise. " is pretty much spot on Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PurpleCanary 5,531 Posted July 26, 2013 Updated with Hooper added and Barnett excluded, on the basis that he has been told he has no future at Carrow Road. Plainly even if we don''t offload him before the transfer window shuts then the chances are he will be loaned out once that window opens a week or so later. Either way he won''t be named in the 25:GK: Ruddy, Bunn, Nash.RB: R Martin, Whittaker.LB: Garrido. Olsson.CB: Turner, Bassong, R Bennett, Ayala.RW: Snodgrass, E Bennett.LW: Pilkington, Redmond, Surman.CM: Fox, Butterfield, Howson, Hoolahan, Johnson, Tettey, Fer.ST: Hooper, Becchio, RVW. Hooper in and Barnett out makes a squad of 26, but in practice 25 as Redmond is under 21. Now only one gap up front (or possibly for a midfielder/attacker) and the eventual loss of Barnett doesn''t really change things in central defence - it never looked as if he would figure. But if we are to bring in any more players then there will have to be departures, and the over-crowded central midfield still looks the likeliest area for a bit of culling. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tetteys Jig 830 Posted July 26, 2013 I think we''ll try for a ''second striker'' like quag and another centre back. Ayala will be out on loan or sold, Surman, Fox and Butterfield also don''t look like they''ll be around the club much longer. I suspect one of them will stay to bulk numbers up though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted July 31, 2013 GK: Ruddy, Bunn, Nash.RB: R Martin, Whittaker.LB: Garrido. Olsson.CB: Turner, Bassong, R Bennett, Ayala.RW: Snodgrass, E Bennett.LW: Pilkington, Redmond (U21)CM: Fox, Butterfield, Howson, Hoolahan, Johnson, Tettey, Fer.ST: Hooper, Becchio, RVW.now two spaces in the squad (if Surman goes)what price Fox, Butterfield and Ayala staying ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Monty13 2,173 Posted July 31, 2013 5 more new signings? Seems unlikely but you never know! maybe all of them might end up staying. Surprised Fox is still here, looked nailed on to leave after last year, and Ayala and Butterfield hardly set the world alight on their loans. I''d still bet on Fox going out of those 3, the others have age on their side. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted July 31, 2013 I had it as Ayala definitely gone - loan to Forest the permanent move etcFox possibly staying as he has stayed at the club etcButterfield definitely staying and possibly another loan, and one for the future.However it could well be that all three will stay, given how they all played last nightIf they are staying then it is still a case for another CB and a striker, possibly in the ''Ola'' mode Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jim Smith 2,290 Posted July 31, 2013 I expect 2 more players. CB is the main priority with the other being a striker/attacking mid Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rolf Harris 30 Posted July 31, 2013 [quote user="City1st"]I had it as Ayala definitely gone - loan to Forest the permanent move etcFox possibly staying as he has stayed at the club etcButterfield definitely staying and possibly another loan, and one for the future.However it could well be that all three will stay, given how they all played last nightIf they are staying then it is still a case for another CB and a striker, possibly in the ''Ola'' mode[/quote]Butterfield loan?Fox probably given the choice of staying and not playing or going. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chicken 0 Posted July 31, 2013 City1st - count up the players (ignoring Redmond), I believe we currently have a quota of 24 players 21 and above.That means if we are to sign another striker and a centre back then we''ll have to lose another player.I think we could be in for three players.I could see Butterfield loaned out soon, with Ayala loaned out later on once Bassong has regained fitness and before the loan window shuts. Both are relatively young still, Ayala is 22.I struggle to see where Fox fits into it all when the season starts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Monty13 2,173 Posted July 31, 2013 Yep surprised Forest do not appear to be interested in Ayala, but I''m also not sure why he only managed 12 games in a season long loan with them. Doesn''t seem like his future lies here anyway.The fact Hughton used Fox for a matter of minutes last season had me believing his time was up, maybe it''s just a case of no one wants him? Or maybe he now feels confident he could use him? Not convinced but we will see.I agree on Butterfield, he is on a long term contract and still has developing to do, I hope he gets another loan.Yep CB and another Striker minimum, I''d like to see an additional Striker/AM come in as well to allow Butterfield out on loan. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted July 31, 2013 "City1st - count up the players (ignoring Redmond), I believe we currently have a quota of 24 players 21 and above."I wondered who would be the first to spot that .... ahem, ahem (apologies to all)goes back to drawing board Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Monty13 2,173 Posted July 31, 2013 I think if nothing else having 24 in the squad at the minute hints and more players outbound.If we don''t know for sure, we are pretty certain the club has bid for a CB and a Striker/AM (Whether that is Quag or Toivonen or maybe both!).If a CB comes in you would expect Ayala to lose his place. If a AM comes in I can see Butterfield going on loan.I actually wouldn''t be surprised to see a minimum of 3 new signings, if it''s 4 I think that might signal the end of Fox, but thats a lot of turnover in players. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PurpleCanary 5,531 Posted July 31, 2013 Updated with Surman excluded, and Barnett also omitted, on the basis that he has been told he has no future at Carrow Road and won''t be named in the 25:GK: Ruddy, Bunn, Nash.RB: R Martin, Whittaker.LB: Garrido. Olsson.CB: Turner, Bassong, R Bennett, Ayala.RW: Snodgrass, E Bennett.LW: Pilkington, Redmond.CM: Fox, Butterfield, Howson, Hoolahan, Johnson, Tettey, Fer.ST: Hooper, Becchio, RVW. A squad now of 25 but 24 in practice, as Redmond is under 21. Now only one gap up front (or possibly for a midfielder/attacker) and so that could be filled as we stand. If more than one player comes in the over-crowded central midfield still looks the likeliest area for a bit of culling. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chicken 0 Posted July 31, 2013 Yup. As stated my guess is that we can expect to see Ayala and Butterfield loaned out, maybe for the season with recall clauses.I can see Fox potentially being offloaded cheaply or even given a free - after all he only has a season left to go on his contract.I don''t think we''ll sign any more than three more players and I think those three will be the ones to make way. It would leave us still with a free slot which is sort of insurance come January if we need that little bit of help over the line.On my list of areas to develop right now would be CB, AM and STR.If that turns out to be true then the statement about 8 players in over the summer would be accurate if you discount RVW and Garrido (which was also suggested).Quite a big transition but you''d have to say it is needed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icecream Snow 761 Posted July 31, 2013 With Surman out, and Barnett on his way that makes 24.I''m expecting Butterfield to stay, Ayala and Fox to go, and a centre back + striker/winger to come in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites