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[quote user="Leedscanary"]I''ve run out of popcorn...[/quote]

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[Rock The Boat 1,326]

LDC, there is really nothing wrong with thinking outside the box from time to time. Some of our greatest inventions and discoveries have come from people thinking ''what-if''

However, I do think there are many practical difficulties to your idea that render it impossible in the form you propose. When I saw the pic rom you posted of a veranda-type corner infill, my first thoughts were that it would be really cool to sip a cold beer while watching the game from such a structure. But we''re not talking summer sports here, so I wonder how many games in a season would it be possible to sit in the open air watching the game from a balcony/walkway. What happens when it starts raining mid-way through the first-half? Will some poor sod get a couple of hundred football fans pouring into his bedroom to escape the weather?

 

Policing fans in a hotel is far more difficult than in a stadium. You''d need police actually patrolling the walkway. How to separate the fans? How do you control alcohol consumption? How do you prevent some awkward bugger who decides it might be fun to chuck beer glasses over the balcony, or perhaps chucking people over the balcony, unless you create a wire cage enclosure. Remember, access is via the hotel so it would be very difficult from a security point of view to vet all the guests and whatever unwelcome possessions they might wish to bring with them. And if you say this is not typical behaviour of the majority of fans, I will agree with you, but you only need a single idiot misbehaving to make the idea of a walkway to be an unsafe area.

 

Might work in balmy Florida where easy-going sports fans sip weak beer and eat hotdogs during an American football game. But I can''t see the concept transported to a wintry January in Norfolk when we''re playing 1psw5ch in the 3rd round of the FA Cup 

[lake district canary 4,531]

[quote user="Rock The Boat"] I do think there are many practical difficulties to your idea that render it impossible in the form you propose. When I saw the pic rom you posted of a veranda-type corner infill, my first thoughts were that it would be really cool to sip a cold beer while watching the game from such a structure. But we''re not talking summer sports here, so I wonder how many games in a season would it be possible to sit in the open air watching the game from a balcony/walkway. What happens when it starts raining mid-way through the first-half? Will some poor sod get a couple of hundred football fans pouring into his bedroom to escape the weather?Policing fans in a hotel is far more difficult than in a stadium. You''d need police actually patrolling the walkway. How to separate the fans? How do you control alcohol consumption? How do you prevent some awkward bugger who decides it might be fun to chuck beer glasses over the balcony, or perhaps chucking people over the balcony, unless you create a wire cage enclosure. Remember, access is via the hotel so it would be very difficult from a security point of view to vet all the guests and whatever unwelcome possessions they might wish to bring with them. And if you say this is not typical behaviour of the majority of fans, I will agree with you, but you only need a single idiot misbehaving to make the idea of a walkway to be an unsafe area. Might work in balmy Florida where easy-going sports fans sip weak beer and eat hotdogs during an American football game. But I can''t see the concept transported to a wintry January in Norfolk when we''re playing 1psw5ch in the 3rd round of the FA Cup [/quote]

Good points RTB.   I have had to alter my thinking quite a lot this week, so have gone from buying up the hotel and adding a seating terrace - which is probably too expensive, complicated and not workable - to something that is more likely to be able to happen.   A gallery, or balcony is not out of the question. It would have very limited viewing capacity and would only serve the purpose of improving the look of the hotel rather than add significant viewing figures - but would look a lot better.   The hotel would, I am sure like to improve the look of the building on that side, as it is what everyone sees - and it isn''t great.   A gallery that could hold a few dozen people, perhaps with a cafe style area that could be used during the summer as an outdoor amenity for the hotel with tables would work.  The gallery would need to be angled as in this picture and you can see that there would be room for tables at the wide end.  This would be on level 2, with the galleries on levels 3 and 4 would need to be more like normal hotel balconies, as three like the one above would look too much.   The gallery could have a simple hood for bad weather, or simply people could watch from their rooms, although that would restrict the view to snakepit corner.   With the restricted numbers,policing would not be so difficult.   I am seeing this now much more from the Hotel''s point of view now, but the byproduct of any improvement that the hotel might make would be to make the hotel look part of the stadium - which would ceratinly add to the matchday experience  for everyone.  No longer would we be looking at a block of flats, but something that has spectators and thus become part of the proceedings.   MK Dons looks great, the stadium in America looks great too with its balcony.   Something would need to be adapted from different situations to fit what we have.

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[quote user="lake district canary"]This would be on level 2, with the galleries on levels 3 and 4 would need to be more like normal hotel balconies, as three like the one above would look too much.   The gallery could have a simple hood for bad weather, or simply people could watch from their rooms, although that would restrict the view to snakepit corner.   With the restricted numbers,policing would not be so difficult.  

[/quote]That''s a pretty f*cking weird hotel design.  Wouldn''t the flashing triangle put the players off a bit?

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And in other news Elvis is dead. [:''(]

[Yobocop 1,096]

loving your glasses chops....

[YankeeCanary 0]

[quote user="Jan van Chopsburg"][quote user="lake district canary"]


This would be on level 2, with the galleries on levels 3 and 4 would need to be more like normal hotel balconies, as three like the one above would look too much.   The gallery could have a simple hood for bad weather, or simply people could watch from their rooms, although that would restrict the view to snakepit corner.   With the restricted numbers,policing would not be so difficult.  



[/quote]

That''s a pretty f*cking weird hotel design.  Wouldn''t the flashing triangle put the players off a bit?

[/quote]

 

LunaPic is not far removed from Looney Tunes, which is what this thread is fast turning into.

The valid essential point on safety raised by Rock The Boat has been previously pointed out by others and yet, there is LDC carrying on his stubborn "I will overcome all responses and concerns" with the reasoning that only exists in his fantasy universe.

I repeat, ad infinitum, is there a plan?

[morty 0]

Honestly, seriously?

[lake district canary 4,531]

Hmmm.  Sorry about that folks.   Tried to draw a design which obviously the website I used didn''t like. 

[quote user="Rock The Boat"] I do

think there are many practical difficulties to your idea that render it

impossible in the form you propose. When I saw the pic rom you posted of

a veranda-type corner infill, my first thoughts were that it would be

really cool to sip a cold beer while watching the game from such a

structure. But we''re not talking summer sports here, so I wonder how

many games in a season would it be possible to sit in the open air

watching the game from a balcony/walkway. What happens when it starts

raining mid-way through the first-half? Will some poor sod get a couple

of hundred football fans pouring into his bedroom to escape the weather?Policing

fans in a hotel is far more difficult than in a stadium. You''d need

police actually patrolling the walkway. How to separate the fans? How do

you control alcohol consumption? How do you prevent some awkward bugger

who decides it might be fun to chuck beer glasses over the balcony, or

perhaps chucking people over the balcony, unless you create a wire cage

enclosure. Remember, access is via the hotel so it would be very

difficult from a security point of view to vet all the guests and

whatever unwelcome possessions they might wish to bring with them. And

if you say this is not typical behaviour of the majority of fans, I will

agree with you, but you only need a single idiot misbehaving to make

the idea of a walkway to be an unsafe area. Might work in balmy Florida

where easy-going sports fans sip weak beer and eat hotdogs during an

American football game. But I can''t see the concept transported to a

wintry January in Norfolk when we''re playing 1psw5ch in the 3rd round of

the FA Cup [/quote]

Good points RTB.   I have had to alter

my thinking quite a lot this week, so have gone from buying up the hotel

and adding a seating terrace - which is probably too expensive,

complicated and not workable - to something that is more likely to be

able to happen.   A gallery, or balcony is not out of the question. It

would have very limited viewing capacity and would only serve the

purpose of improving the look of the hotel rather than add significant

viewing figures - but would look a lot better.   The hotel would, I am

sure like to improve the look of the building on that side, as it is

what everyone sees - and it isn''t great.   A gallery that could hold a

few dozen people, perhaps with a cafe style area that could be used

during the summer as an outdoor amenity for the hotel with tables would

work.  The gallery would need to be angled as in this picture and you

can see that there would be room for tables at the wide end.                                          Picture hasn''t come out that well, but it shows the hotel as it is now, with the gallery in grey. This

would be on level 2, with the galleries on levels 3 and 4 would need to

be more like normal hotel balconies, as three like the one above would

look too much.   The gallery could have a simple hood for bad weather,

or simply people could watch from their rooms, although that would

restrict the view to snakepit corner.   With the restricted

numbers,policing would not be so difficult.   I am seeing this

now much more from the Hotel''s point of view now, but the byproduct of

any improvement that the hotel might make would be to make the hotel

look part of the stadium - which would ceratinly add to the matchday

experience  for everyone.  No longer would we be looking at a block of

flats, but something that has spectators and thus become part of the

proceedings.   MK Dons looks great, the stadium in America looks great

too with its balcony.   Something would need to be adapted from

different situations to fit what we have.

Hope that picture worked.

[Graham 0]

[quote user="lake district canary"]Hmmm.  Sorry about that folks.   Tried to draw a design which obviously the website I used didn''t like. 

[quote user="Rock The Boat"] I do

think there are many practical difficulties to your idea that render it

impossible in the form you propose. When I saw the pic rom you posted of

a veranda-type corner infill, my first thoughts were that it would be

really cool to sip a cold beer while watching the game from such a

structure. But we''re not talking summer sports here, so I wonder how

many games in a season would it be possible to sit in the open air

watching the game from a balcony/walkway. What happens when it starts

raining mid-way through the first-half? Will some poor sod get a couple

of hundred football fans pouring into his bedroom to escape the weather?Policing

fans in a hotel is far more difficult than in a stadium. You''d need

police actually patrolling the walkway. How to separate the fans? How do

you control alcohol consumption? How do you prevent some awkward bugger

who decides it might be fun to chuck beer glasses over the balcony, or

perhaps chucking people over the balcony, unless you create a wire cage

enclosure. Remember, access is via the hotel so it would be very

difficult from a security point of view to vet all the guests and

whatever unwelcome possessions they might wish to bring with them. And

if you say this is not typical behaviour of the majority of fans, I will

agree with you, but you only need a single idiot misbehaving to make

the idea of a walkway to be an unsafe area. Might work in balmy Florida

where easy-going sports fans sip weak beer and eat hotdogs during an

American football game. But I can''t see the concept transported to a

wintry January in Norfolk when we''re playing 1psw5ch in the 3rd round of

the FA Cup [/quote]

Good points RTB.   I have had to alter

my thinking quite a lot this week, so have gone from buying up the hotel

and adding a seating terrace - which is probably too expensive,

complicated and not workable - to something that is more likely to be

able to happen.   A gallery, or balcony is not out of the question. It

would have very limited viewing capacity and would only serve the

purpose of improving the look of the hotel rather than add significant

viewing figures - but would look a lot better.   The hotel would, I am

sure like to improve the look of the building on that side, as it is

what everyone sees - and it isn''t great.   A gallery that could hold a

few dozen people, perhaps with a cafe style area that could be used

during the summer as an outdoor amenity for the hotel with tables would

work.  The gallery would need to be angled as in this picture and you

can see that there would be room for tables at the wide end.                                          Picture hasn''t come out that well, but it shows the hotel as it is now, with the gallery in grey. This

would be on level 2, with the galleries on levels 3 and 4 would need to

be more like normal hotel balconies, as three like the one above would

look too much.   The gallery could have a simple hood for bad weather,

or simply people could watch from their rooms, although that would

restrict the view to snakepit corner.   With the restricted

numbers,policing would not be so difficult.   I am seeing this

now much more from the Hotel''s point of view now, but the byproduct of

any improvement that the hotel might make would be to make the hotel

look part of the stadium - which would ceratinly add to the matchday

experience  for everyone.  No longer would we be looking at a block of

flats, but something that has spectators and thus become part of the

proceedings.   MK Dons looks great, the stadium in America looks great

too with its balcony.   Something would need to be adapted from

different situations to fit what we have.

Hope that picture worked.

[/quote]

This seems like an excellent idea! Quoniam Fortuna novum it aetatis philosophorum.

[lake district canary 4,531]

Still not sure my pictures are getting through. Hotel showing Jarold and Barclay stands,  (not the roofs of the stands, just the view as it would be from levels 2,3 and 4), with the gallery stretching across the whole width to the angled section of the hotel.

[lappinitup 629]

[quote user="Graham"][quote user="lake district canary"]Hmmm.  Sorry about that folks.   Tried to draw a design which obviously the website I used didn''t like. 

[quote user="Rock The Boat"] I do

think there are many practical difficulties to your idea that render it

impossible in the form you propose. When I saw the pic rom you posted of

a veranda-type corner infill, my first thoughts were that it would be

really cool to sip a cold beer while watching the game from such a

structure. But we''re not talking summer sports here, so I wonder how

many games in a season would it be possible to sit in the open air

watching the game from a balcony/walkway. What happens when it starts

raining mid-way through the first-half? Will some poor sod get a couple

of hundred football fans pouring into his bedroom to escape the weather?Policing

fans in a hotel is far more difficult than in a stadium. You''d need

police actually patrolling the walkway. How to separate the fans? How do

you control alcohol consumption? How do you prevent some awkward bugger

who decides it might be fun to chuck beer glasses over the balcony, or

perhaps chucking people over the balcony, unless you create a wire cage

enclosure. Remember, access is via the hotel so it would be very

difficult from a security point of view to vet all the guests and

whatever unwelcome possessions they might wish to bring with them. And

if you say this is not typical behaviour of the majority of fans, I will

agree with you, but you only need a single idiot misbehaving to make

the idea of a walkway to be an unsafe area. Might work in balmy Florida

where easy-going sports fans sip weak beer and eat hotdogs during an

American football game. But I can''t see the concept transported to a

wintry January in Norfolk when we''re playing 1psw5ch in the 3rd round of

the FA Cup [/quote]

Good points RTB.   I have had to alter

my thinking quite a lot this week, so have gone from buying up the hotel

and adding a seating terrace - which is probably too expensive,

complicated and not workable - to something that is more likely to be

able to happen.   A gallery, or balcony is not out of the question. It

would have very limited viewing capacity and would only serve the

purpose of improving the look of the hotel rather than add significant

viewing figures - but would look a lot better.   The hotel would, I am

sure like to improve the look of the building on that side, as it is

what everyone sees - and it isn''t great.   A gallery that could hold a

few dozen people, perhaps with a cafe style area that could be used

during the summer as an outdoor amenity for the hotel with tables would

work.  The gallery would need to be angled as in this picture and you

can see that there would be room for tables at the wide end.                                          Picture hasn''t come out that well, but it shows the hotel as it is now, with the gallery in grey. This

would be on level 2, with the galleries on levels 3 and 4 would need to

be more like normal hotel balconies, as three like the one above would

look too much.   The gallery could have a simple hood for bad weather,

or simply people could watch from their rooms, although that would

restrict the view to snakepit corner.   With the restricted

numbers,policing would not be so difficult.   I am seeing this

now much more from the Hotel''s point of view now, but the byproduct of

any improvement that the hotel might make would be to make the hotel

look part of the stadium - which would ceratinly add to the matchday

experience  for everyone.  No longer would we be looking at a block of

flats, but something that has spectators and thus become part of the

proceedings.   MK Dons looks great, the stadium in America looks great

too with its balcony.   Something would need to be adapted from

different situations to fit what we have.

Hope that picture worked.

[/quote]

This seems like an excellent idea! Quoniam Fortuna novum it aetatis philosophorum.[/quote]

I agree So, what''s the next step?

[Graham 0]

[quote user="lappinitup"][quote user="Graham"][quote user="lake district canary"]Hmmm.  Sorry about that folks.   Tried to draw a design which obviously the website I used didn''t like. 

[quote user="Rock The Boat"] I do

think there are many practical difficulties to your idea that render it

impossible in the form you propose. When I saw the pic rom you posted of

a veranda-type corner infill, my first thoughts were that it would be

really cool to sip a cold beer while watching the game from such a

structure. But we''re not talking summer sports here, so I wonder how

many games in a season would it be possible to sit in the open air

watching the game from a balcony/walkway. What happens when it starts

raining mid-way through the first-half? Will some poor sod get a couple

of hundred football fans pouring into his bedroom to escape the weather?Policing

fans in a hotel is far more difficult than in a stadium. You''d need

police actually patrolling the walkway. How to separate the fans? How do

you control alcohol consumption? How do you prevent some awkward bugger

who decides it might be fun to chuck beer glasses over the balcony, or

perhaps chucking people over the balcony, unless you create a wire cage

enclosure. Remember, access is via the hotel so it would be very

difficult from a security point of view to vet all the guests and

whatever unwelcome possessions they might wish to bring with them. And

if you say this is not typical behaviour of the majority of fans, I will

agree with you, but you only need a single idiot misbehaving to make

the idea of a walkway to be an unsafe area. Might work in balmy Florida

where easy-going sports fans sip weak beer and eat hotdogs during an

American football game. But I can''t see the concept transported to a

wintry January in Norfolk when we''re playing 1psw5ch in the 3rd round of

the FA Cup [/quote]

Good points RTB.   I have had to alter

my thinking quite a lot this week, so have gone from buying up the hotel

and adding a seating terrace - which is probably too expensive,

complicated and not workable - to something that is more likely to be

able to happen.   A gallery, or balcony is not out of the question. It

would have very limited viewing capacity and would only serve the

purpose of improving the look of the hotel rather than add significant

viewing figures - but would look a lot better.   The hotel would, I am

sure like to improve the look of the building on that side, as it is

what everyone sees - and it isn''t great.   A gallery that could hold a

few dozen people, perhaps with a cafe style area that could be used

during the summer as an outdoor amenity for the hotel with tables would

work.  The gallery would need to be angled as in this picture and you

can see that there would be room for tables at the wide end.                                          Picture hasn''t come out that well, but it shows the hotel as it is now, with the gallery in grey. This

would be on level 2, with the galleries on levels 3 and 4 would need to

be more like normal hotel balconies, as three like the one above would

look too much.   The gallery could have a simple hood for bad weather,

or simply people could watch from their rooms, although that would

restrict the view to snakepit corner.   With the restricted

numbers,policing would not be so difficult.   I am seeing this

now much more from the Hotel''s point of view now, but the byproduct of

any improvement that the hotel might make would be to make the hotel

look part of the stadium - which would ceratinly add to the matchday

experience  for everyone.  No longer would we be looking at a block of

flats, but something that has spectators and thus become part of the

proceedings.   MK Dons looks great, the stadium in America looks great

too with its balcony.   Something would need to be adapted from

different situations to fit what we have.

Hope that picture worked.

[/quote]

This seems like an excellent idea! Quoniam Fortuna novum it aetatis philosophorum.[/quote]

I agree So, what''s the next step?

[/quote]

I should think we ought to lobby the club Lapping. If necessary support can be raised (and I cannot see why not) then this could easily go ahead. Porro filii mei fortibus! Commendations to Lake District Canary for the excellent suggestion, beats many of those posted by many of the lacklustre members of the board such as Mortimer!

On a side not please could you remove your ''avatar'' photo Lapping, I do not feel comfortable discussing such a topic with you whilst have the thought of that dog in my head. Dogs are horrible creatures and that one is particularly ugly.

[lappinitup 629]

[quote user="Graham"][quote user="lappinitup"][quote user="Graham"][quote user="lake district canary"]Hmmm.  Sorry about that folks.   Tried to draw a design which obviously the website I used didn''t like. 

[quote user="Rock The Boat"] I do

think there are many practical difficulties to your idea that render it

impossible in the form you propose. When I saw the pic rom you posted of

a veranda-type corner infill, my first thoughts were that it would be

really cool to sip a cold beer while watching the game from such a

structure. But we''re not talking summer sports here, so I wonder how

many games in a season would it be possible to sit in the open air

watching the game from a balcony/walkway. What happens when it starts

raining mid-way through the first-half? Will some poor sod get a couple

of hundred football fans pouring into his bedroom to escape the weather?Policing

fans in a hotel is far more difficult than in a stadium. You''d need

police actually patrolling the walkway. How to separate the fans? How do

you control alcohol consumption? How do you prevent some awkward bugger

who decides it might be fun to chuck beer glasses over the balcony, or

perhaps chucking people over the balcony, unless you create a wire cage

enclosure. Remember, access is via the hotel so it would be very

difficult from a security point of view to vet all the guests and

whatever unwelcome possessions they might wish to bring with them. And

if you say this is not typical behaviour of the majority of fans, I will

agree with you, but you only need a single idiot misbehaving to make

the idea of a walkway to be an unsafe area. Might work in balmy Florida

where easy-going sports fans sip weak beer and eat hotdogs during an

American football game. But I can''t see the concept transported to a

wintry January in Norfolk when we''re playing 1psw5ch in the 3rd round of

the FA Cup [/quote]

Good points RTB.   I have had to alter

my thinking quite a lot this week, so have gone from buying up the hotel

and adding a seating terrace - which is probably too expensive,

complicated and not workable - to something that is more likely to be

able to happen.   A gallery, or balcony is not out of the question. It

would have very limited viewing capacity and would only serve the

purpose of improving the look of the hotel rather than add significant

viewing figures - but would look a lot better.   The hotel would, I am

sure like to improve the look of the building on that side, as it is

what everyone sees - and it isn''t great.   A gallery that could hold a

few dozen people, perhaps with a cafe style area that could be used

during the summer as an outdoor amenity for the hotel with tables would

work.  The gallery would need to be angled as in this picture and you

can see that there would be room for tables at the wide end.                                          Picture hasn''t come out that well, but it shows the hotel as it is now, with the gallery in grey. This

would be on level 2, with the galleries on levels 3 and 4 would need to

be more like normal hotel balconies, as three like the one above would

look too much.   The gallery could have a simple hood for bad weather,

or simply people could watch from their rooms, although that would

restrict the view to snakepit corner.   With the restricted

numbers,policing would not be so difficult.   I am seeing this

now much more from the Hotel''s point of view now, but the byproduct of

any improvement that the hotel might make would be to make the hotel

look part of the stadium - which would ceratinly add to the matchday

experience  for everyone.  No longer would we be looking at a block of

flats, but something that has spectators and thus become part of the

proceedings.   MK Dons looks great, the stadium in America looks great

too with its balcony.   Something would need to be adapted from

different situations to fit what we have.

Hope that picture worked.

[/quote]

This seems like an excellent idea! Quoniam Fortuna novum it aetatis philosophorum.[/quote]

I agree So, what''s the next step?

[/quote]

I should think we ought to lobby the club Lapping. If necessary support can be raised (and I cannot see why not) then this could easily go ahead. Porro filii mei fortibus! Commendations to Lake District Canary for the excellent suggestion, beats many of those posted by many of the lacklustre members of the board such as Mortimer!

On a side not please could you remove your ''avatar'' photo Lapping, I do not feel comfortable discussing such a topic with you whilst have the thought of that dog in my head. Dogs are horrible creatures and that one is particularly ugly.[/quote]

Please don''t call my dog ugly. He would be deeply offended if he heard you, just as the people in your avatar would if anyone called them ugly. 

[YankeeCanary 0]

LDC''s allies are coming out in force now. [:D]

[lake district canary 4,531]

[quote user="lappinitup"][quote user="Graham"][quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="Rock The Boat"] I do

think there are many practical difficulties to your idea that render it

impossible in the form you propose. When I saw the pic rom you posted of

a veranda-type corner infill, my first thoughts were that it would be

really cool to sip a cold beer while watching the game from such a

structure. But we''re not talking summer sports here, so I wonder how

many games in a season would it be possible to sit in the open air

watching the game from a balcony/walkway. What happens when it starts

raining mid-way through the first-half? Will some poor sod get a couple

of hundred football fans pouring into his bedroom to escape the weather?  Policing

fans in a hotel is far more difficult than in a stadium. You''d need

police actually patrolling the walkway. How to separate the fans? How do

you control alcohol consumption? How do you prevent some awkward bugger

who decides it might be fun to chuck beer glasses over the balcony, or

perhaps chucking people over the balcony, unless you create a wire cage

enclosure. Remember, access is via the hotel so it would be very

difficult from a security point of view to vet all the guests and

whatever unwelcome possessions they might wish to bring with them. And

if you say this is not typical behaviour of the majority of fans, I will

agree with you, but you only need a single idiot misbehaving to make

the idea of a walkway to be an unsafe area. Might work in balmy Florida

where easy-going sports fans sip weak beer and eat hotdogs during an

American football game. But I can''t see the concept transported to a

wintry January in Norfolk when we''re playing 1psw5ch in the 3rd round of

the FA Cup [/quote]Good points RTB.   I have had to alter

my thinking quite a lot this week, so have gone from buying up the hotel

and adding a seating terrace - which is probably too expensive,

complicated and not workable - to something that is more likely to be

able to happen.   A gallery, or balcony is not out of the question. It

would have very limited viewing capacity and would only serve the

purpose of improving the look of the hotel rather than add significant

viewing figures - but would look a lot better.   The hotel would, I am

sure like to improve the look of the building on that side, as it is

what everyone sees - and it isn''t great.   A gallery that could hold a

few dozen people, perhaps with a cafe style area that could be used

during the summer as an outdoor amenity for the hotel with tables would

work.  The gallery would need to be angled as in this picture and you

can see that there would be room for tables at the wide end.                                          Picture hasn''t come out that well, but it shows the hotel as it is now, with the gallery in grey. This

would be on level 2, with the galleries on levels 3 and 4 would need to

be more like normal hotel balconies, as three like the one above would

look too much.   The gallery could have a simple hood for bad weather,

or simply people could watch from their rooms, although that would

restrict the view to snakepit corner.   With the restricted

numbers,policing would not be so difficult.     I am seeing this

now much more from the Hotel''s point of view now, but the byproduct of

any improvement that the hotel might make would be to make the hotel

look part of the stadium - which would ceratinly add to the matchday

experience  for everyone.  No longer would we be looking at a block of

flats, but something that has spectators and thus become part of the

proceedings.   MK Dons looks great, the stadium in America looks great

too with its balcony.   Something would need to be adapted from

different situations to fit what we have. [/quote]

This seems like an excellent idea! Quoniam Fortuna novum it aetatis philosophorum.[/quote]

I agree So, what''s the next step?

[/quote]

I had hoped that some people on here might appreciate the idea and pass it to  someone who might have more clout than me.  Those of you in Norwich will have much closer links with the club than me.  However, as it is probably down to the hotel group, Kew Green Hotels who run the hotel, who would be the instigators of any development, I am going to pass on the idea to them.  Refurbishment will happen at some stage and if the seed of an idea can be planted (as someone suggested in an earlier post)  then this long, long thread might have achieved something.  

[Graham 0]

[quote user="lappinitup"][quote user="Graham"][quote user="lappinitup"][quote user="Graham"][quote user="lake district canary"]Hmmm.  Sorry about that folks.   Tried to draw a design which obviously the website I used didn''t like. 

[quote user="Rock The Boat"] I do

think there are many practical difficulties to your idea that render it

impossible in the form you propose. When I saw the pic rom you posted of

a veranda-type corner infill, my first thoughts were that it would be

really cool to sip a cold beer while watching the game from such a

structure. But we''re not talking summer sports here, so I wonder how

many games in a season would it be possible to sit in the open air

watching the game from a balcony/walkway. What happens when it starts

raining mid-way through the first-half? Will some poor sod get a couple

of hundred football fans pouring into his bedroom to escape the weather?Policing

fans in a hotel is far more difficult than in a stadium. You''d need

police actually patrolling the walkway. How to separate the fans? How do

you control alcohol consumption? How do you prevent some awkward bugger

who decides it might be fun to chuck beer glasses over the balcony, or

perhaps chucking people over the balcony, unless you create a wire cage

enclosure. Remember, access is via the hotel so it would be very

difficult from a security point of view to vet all the guests and

whatever unwelcome possessions they might wish to bring with them. And

if you say this is not typical behaviour of the majority of fans, I will

agree with you, but you only need a single idiot misbehaving to make

the idea of a walkway to be an unsafe area. Might work in balmy Florida

where easy-going sports fans sip weak beer and eat hotdogs during an

American football game. But I can''t see the concept transported to a

wintry January in Norfolk when we''re playing 1psw5ch in the 3rd round of

the FA Cup [/quote]

Good points RTB.   I have had to alter

my thinking quite a lot this week, so have gone from buying up the hotel

and adding a seating terrace - which is probably too expensive,

complicated and not workable - to something that is more likely to be

able to happen.   A gallery, or balcony is not out of the question. It

would have very limited viewing capacity and would only serve the

purpose of improving the look of the hotel rather than add significant

viewing figures - but would look a lot better.   The hotel would, I am

sure like to improve the look of the building on that side, as it is

what everyone sees - and it isn''t great.   A gallery that could hold a

few dozen people, perhaps with a cafe style area that could be used

during the summer as an outdoor amenity for the hotel with tables would

work.  The gallery would need to be angled as in this picture and you

can see that there would be room for tables at the wide end.                                          Picture hasn''t come out that well, but it shows the hotel as it is now, with the gallery in grey. This

would be on level 2, with the galleries on levels 3 and 4 would need to

be more like normal hotel balconies, as three like the one above would

look too much.   The gallery could have a simple hood for bad weather,

or simply people could watch from their rooms, although that would

restrict the view to snakepit corner.   With the restricted

numbers,policing would not be so difficult.   I am seeing this

now much more from the Hotel''s point of view now, but the byproduct of

any improvement that the hotel might make would be to make the hotel

look part of the stadium - which would ceratinly add to the matchday

experience  for everyone.  No longer would we be looking at a block of

flats, but something that has spectators and thus become part of the

proceedings.   MK Dons looks great, the stadium in America looks great

too with its balcony.   Something would need to be adapted from

different situations to fit what we have.

Hope that picture worked.

[/quote]

This seems like an excellent idea! Quoniam Fortuna novum it aetatis philosophorum.[/quote]

I agree So, what''s the next step?

[/quote]

I should think we ought to lobby the club Lapping. If necessary support can be raised (and I cannot see why not) then this could easily go ahead. Porro filii mei fortibus! Commendations to Lake District Canary for the excellent suggestion, beats many of those posted by many of the lacklustre members of the board such as Mortimer!

On a side not please could you remove your ''avatar'' photo Lapping, I do not feel comfortable discussing such a topic with you whilst have the thought of that dog in my head. Dogs are horrible creatures and that one is particularly ugly.[/quote]

Please don''t call my dog ugly. He would be deeply offended if he heard you, just as the people in your avatar would if anyone called them ugly. 

[/quote]

Why the people in my ''avatar'' picture are my beautiful family (although my son is absent from the photograph), they certainly are more important that that scruffy mutt. It is an honour to the other publishers on this website that I would let them see such a beautiful digital image, however in your case it is an insult, no one wants to see that horrifying disturbing image. It has given me nightmares.

[lappinitup 629]

[quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="lappinitup"][quote user="Graham"][quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="Rock The Boat"] I do

think there are many practical difficulties to your idea that render it

impossible in the form you propose. When I saw the pic rom you posted of

a veranda-type corner infill, my first thoughts were that it would be

really cool to sip a cold beer while watching the game from such a

structure. But we''re not talking summer sports here, so I wonder how

many games in a season would it be possible to sit in the open air

watching the game from a balcony/walkway. What happens when it starts

raining mid-way through the first-half? Will some poor sod get a couple

of hundred football fans pouring into his bedroom to escape the weather?  Policing

fans in a hotel is far more difficult than in a stadium. You''d need

police actually patrolling the walkway. How to separate the fans? How do

you control alcohol consumption? How do you prevent some awkward bugger

who decides it might be fun to chuck beer glasses over the balcony, or

perhaps chucking people over the balcony, unless you create a wire cage

enclosure. Remember, access is via the hotel so it would be very

difficult from a security point of view to vet all the guests and

whatever unwelcome possessions they might wish to bring with them. And

if you say this is not typical behaviour of the majority of fans, I will

agree with you, but you only need a single idiot misbehaving to make

the idea of a walkway to be an unsafe area. Might work in balmy Florida

where easy-going sports fans sip weak beer and eat hotdogs during an

American football game. But I can''t see the concept transported to a

wintry January in Norfolk when we''re playing 1psw5ch in the 3rd round of

the FA Cup [/quote]Good points RTB.   I have had to alter

my thinking quite a lot this week, so have gone from buying up the hotel

and adding a seating terrace - which is probably too expensive,

complicated and not workable - to something that is more likely to be

able to happen.   A gallery, or balcony is not out of the question. It

would have very limited viewing capacity and would only serve the

purpose of improving the look of the hotel rather than add significant

viewing figures - but would look a lot better.   The hotel would, I am

sure like to improve the look of the building on that side, as it is

what everyone sees - and it isn''t great.   A gallery that could hold a

few dozen people, perhaps with a cafe style area that could be used

during the summer as an outdoor amenity for the hotel with tables would

work.  The gallery would need to be angled as in this picture and you

can see that there would be room for tables at the wide end.                                          Picture hasn''t come out that well, but it shows the hotel as it is now, with the gallery in grey. This

would be on level 2, with the galleries on levels 3 and 4 would need to

be more like normal hotel balconies, as three like the one above would

look too much.   The gallery could have a simple hood for bad weather,

or simply people could watch from their rooms, although that would

restrict the view to snakepit corner.   With the restricted

numbers,policing would not be so difficult.     I am seeing this

now much more from the Hotel''s point of view now, but the byproduct of

any improvement that the hotel might make would be to make the hotel

look part of the stadium - which would ceratinly add to the matchday

experience  for everyone.  No longer would we be looking at a block of

flats, but something that has spectators and thus become part of the

proceedings.   MK Dons looks great, the stadium in America looks great

too with its balcony.   Something would need to be adapted from

different situations to fit what we have. [/quote]

This seems like an excellent idea! Quoniam Fortuna novum it aetatis philosophorum.[/quote]

I agree So, what''s the next step?

[/quote]

I had hoped that some people on here might appreciate the idea and pass it to  someone who might have more clout than me.  Those of you in Norwich will have much closer links with the club than me.  However, as it is probably down to the hotel group, Kew Green Hotels who run the hotel, who would be the instigators of any development, I am going to pass on the idea to them.  Refurbishment will happen at some stage and if the seed of an idea can be planted (as someone suggested in an earlier post)  then this long, long thread might have achieved something.  

[/quote]

Good luck with that LDC, let''s hope you succeed.

BTW, do you think my dog is ugly?

[lake district canary 4,531]

[quote user="lappinitup"][quote user="Graham"][quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="Rock The Boat"] I do

think there are many practical difficulties to your idea that render it

impossible in the form you propose. When I saw the pic rom you posted of

a veranda-type corner infill, my first thoughts were that it would be

really cool to sip a cold beer while watching the game from such a

structure. But we''re not talking summer sports here, so I wonder how

many games in a season would it be possible to sit in the open air

watching the game from a balcony/walkway. What happens when it starts

raining mid-way through the first-half? Will some poor sod get a couple

of hundred football fans pouring into his bedroom to escape the weather?  Policing

fans in a hotel is far more difficult than in a stadium. You''d need

police actually patrolling the walkway. How to separate the fans? How do

you control alcohol consumption? How do you prevent some awkward bugger

who decides it might be fun to chuck beer glasses over the balcony, or

perhaps chucking people over the balcony, unless you create a wire cage

enclosure. Remember, access is via the hotel so it would be very

difficult from a security point of view to vet all the guests and

whatever unwelcome possessions they might wish to bring with them. And

if you say this is not typical behaviour of the majority of fans, I will

agree with you, but you only need a single idiot misbehaving to make

the idea of a walkway to be an unsafe area. Might work in balmy Florida

where easy-going sports fans sip weak beer and eat hotdogs during an

American football game. But I can''t see the concept transported to a

wintry January in Norfolk when we''re playing 1psw5ch in the 3rd round of

the FA Cup [/quote]Good points RTB.   I have had to alter

my thinking quite a lot this week, so have gone from buying up the hotel

and adding a seating terrace - which is probably too expensive,

complicated and not workable - to something that is more likely to be

able to happen.   A gallery, or balcony is not out of the question. It

would have very limited viewing capacity and would only serve the

purpose of improving the look of the hotel rather than add significant

viewing figures - but would look a lot better.   The hotel would, I am

sure like to improve the look of the building on that side, as it is

what everyone sees - and it isn''t great.   A gallery that could hold a

few dozen people, perhaps with a cafe style area that could be used

during the summer as an outdoor amenity for the hotel with tables would

work.  The gallery would need to be angled as in this picture and you

can see that there would be room for tables at the wide end.                                          Picture hasn''t come out that well, but it shows the hotel as it is now, with the gallery in grey. This

would be on level 2, with the galleries on levels 3 and 4 would need to

be more like normal hotel balconies, as three like the one above would

look too much.   The gallery could have a simple hood for bad weather,

or simply people could watch from their rooms, although that would

restrict the view to snakepit corner.   With the restricted

numbers,policing would not be so difficult.     I am seeing this

now much more from the Hotel''s point of view now, but the byproduct of

any improvement that the hotel might make would be to make the hotel

look part of the stadium - which would ceratinly add to the matchday

experience  for everyone.  No longer would we be looking at a block of

flats, but something that has spectators and thus become part of the

proceedings.   MK Dons looks great, the stadium in America looks great

too with its balcony.   Something would need to be adapted from

different situations to fit what we have. [/quote]

This seems like an excellent idea! Quoniam Fortuna novum it aetatis philosophorum.[/quote]

I agree So, what''s the next step?

[/quote]

I had hoped that some people on here might appreciate the idea and pass it to  someone who might have more clout than me.  Those of you in Norwich will have much closer links with the club than me.  However, as it is probably down to the hotel group, Kew Green Hotels who run the hotel, who would be the instigators of any development, I am going to pass on the idea to them.  Refurbishment will happen at some stage and if the seed of an idea can be planted (as someone suggested in an earlier post)  then this long, long thread might have achieved something.  

[lake district canary 4,531]

[quote user="lappinitup"]

Good luck with that LDC, let''s hope you succeed.

BTW, do you think my dog is ugly?

[/quote]

Thanks.  You have just gone up in  my estimation!

Your dog is beautiful!  Is that tongue for real though?

[Graham 0]

[quote user="lake district canary"][quote user="lappinitup"]

Good luck with that LDC, let''s hope you succeed.

BTW, do you think my dog is ugly?

[/quote]

Thanks.  You have just gone up in  my estimation!

Your dog is beautiful!  Is that tongue for real though?

[/quote]

It is an ugly brute! A dog of satan.

[lappinitup 629]

[quote user="Graham"][quote user="lappinitup"][quote user="Graham"][quote user="lappinitup"][quote user="Graham"][quote user="lake district canary"]Hmmm.  Sorry about that folks.   Tried to draw a design which obviously the website I used didn''t like. 

[quote user="Rock The Boat"] I do

think there are many practical difficulties to your idea that render it

impossible in the form you propose. When I saw the pic rom you posted of

a veranda-type corner infill, my first thoughts were that it would be

really cool to sip a cold beer while watching the game from such a

structure. But we''re not talking summer sports here, so I wonder how

many games in a season would it be possible to sit in the open air

watching the game from a balcony/walkway. What happens when it starts

raining mid-way through the first-half? Will some poor sod get a couple

of hundred football fans pouring into his bedroom to escape the weather?Policing

fans in a hotel is far more difficult than in a stadium. You''d need

police actually patrolling the walkway. How to separate the fans? How do

you control alcohol consumption? How do you prevent some awkward bugger

who decides it might be fun to chuck beer glasses over the balcony, or

perhaps chucking people over the balcony, unless you create a wire cage

enclosure. Remember, access is via the hotel so it would be very

difficult from a security point of view to vet all the guests and

whatever unwelcome possessions they might wish to bring with them. And

if you say this is not typical behaviour of the majority of fans, I will

agree with you, but you only need a single idiot misbehaving to make

the idea of a walkway to be an unsafe area. Might work in balmy Florida

where easy-going sports fans sip weak beer and eat hotdogs during an

American football game. But I can''t see the concept transported to a

wintry January in Norfolk when we''re playing 1psw5ch in the 3rd round of

the FA Cup [/quote]

Good points RTB.   I have had to alter

my thinking quite a lot this week, so have gone from buying up the hotel

and adding a seating terrace - which is probably too expensive,

complicated and not workable - to something that is more likely to be

able to happen.   A gallery, or balcony is not out of the question. It

would have very limited viewing capacity and would only serve the

purpose of improving the look of the hotel rather than add significant

viewing figures - but would look a lot better.   The hotel would, I am

sure like to improve the look of the building on that side, as it is

what everyone sees - and it isn''t great.   A gallery that could hold a

few dozen people, perhaps with a cafe style area that could be used

during the summer as an outdoor amenity for the hotel with tables would

work.  The gallery would need to be angled as in this picture and you

can see that there would be room for tables at the wide end.                                          Picture hasn''t come out that well, but it shows the hotel as it is now, with the gallery in grey. This

would be on level 2, with the galleries on levels 3 and 4 would need to

be more like normal hotel balconies, as three like the one above would

look too much.   The gallery could have a simple hood for bad weather,

or simply people could watch from their rooms, although that would

restrict the view to snakepit corner.   With the restricted

numbers,policing would not be so difficult.   I am seeing this

now much more from the Hotel''s point of view now, but the byproduct of

any improvement that the hotel might make would be to make the hotel

look part of the stadium - which would ceratinly add to the matchday

experience  for everyone.  No longer would we be looking at a block of

flats, but something that has spectators and thus become part of the

proceedings.   MK Dons looks great, the stadium in America looks great

too with its balcony.   Something would need to be adapted from

different situations to fit what we have.

Hope that picture worked.

[/quote]

This seems like an excellent idea! Quoniam Fortuna novum it aetatis philosophorum.[/quote]

I agree So, what''s the next step?

[/quote]

I should think we ought to lobby the club Lapping. If necessary support can be raised (and I cannot see why not) then this could easily go ahead. Porro filii mei fortibus! Commendations to Lake District Canary for the excellent suggestion, beats many of those posted by many of the lacklustre members of the board such as Mortimer!

On a side not please could you remove your ''avatar'' photo Lapping, I do not feel comfortable discussing such a topic with you whilst have the thought of that dog in my head. Dogs are horrible creatures and that one is particularly ugly.[/quote]

Please don''t call my dog ugly. He would be deeply offended if he heard you, just as the people in your avatar would if anyone called them ugly. 

[/quote]

Why the people in my ''avatar'' picture are my beautiful family (although my son is absent from the photograph), they certainly are more important that that scruffy mutt. It is an honour to the other publishers on this website that I would let them see such a beautiful digital image, however in your case it is an insult, no one wants to see that horrifying disturbing image. It has given me nightmares.[/quote]

As you know Graham, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I certainly won''t show my dog your avatar picture in case it gives HIM nightmares (or worse) so if you do the same we should be ok.

[Graham 0]

Your mutt would do well to see such a beautiful family photograph.

[spudgfsh 0]

[quote user="lake district canary"]I had hoped that some people on here might appreciate the idea and pass it to  someone who might have more clout than me.  Those of you in Norwich will have much closer links with the club than me.  However, as it is probably down to the hotel group, Kew Green Hotels who run the hotel, who would be the instigators of any development, I am going to pass on the idea to them.  Refurbishment will happen at some stage and if the seed of an idea can be planted (as someone suggested in an earlier post)  then this long, long thread might have achieved something.   [/quote]

LDC.  remember that both the club and the hotel have a stake in any changes made to the hotel so any seriously considered changes would have to be agreed by both parties. Who instigates the improvements is neither here nor there if there is agreement between the two parties that the changes are viable.  The other thing to remember is that you will have as much clout with the board of NCFC as most of the other posters on here.  As I said in a earlier reply, if you think these plans are seriously viable talk to McNally he will take any suggestions seriously.  Having this discussion with representatives from the club will get you a whole lot further than discussing it the members of this forum will.

I was reading something on facebook about making the a47 safer where people were making safety improvement suggestions and the only way that they can get those changes was by talking to people that can make money available (they set up a petition on the downing street website and asked people to email their MPs).  The same applies here, you can talk all you like about making changes to the ground but until you (as the person with most desire for change) make the contact with the people who can make that change a reality nothing will happen.

[Graham 0]

[quote user="YankeeCanary"]LDC''s allies are coming out in force now. [:D][/quote]

Shut up insolent fool.

[lake district canary 4,531]

[quote user="spudgfsh"]

[quote user="lake district canary"]I had hoped that some people on here might appreciate the idea and pass it to  someone who might have more clout than me.  Those of you in Norwich will have much closer links with the club than me.  However, as it is probably down to the hotel group, Kew Green Hotels who run the hotel, who would be the instigators of any development, I am going to pass on the idea to them.  Refurbishment will happen at some stage and if the seed of an idea can be planted (as someone suggested in an earlier post)  then this long, long thread might have achieved something.   [/quote]

LDC.  remember that both the club and the hotel have a stake in any changes made to the hotel so any seriously considered changes would have to be agreed by both parties. Who instigates the improvements is neither here nor there if there is agreement between the two parties that the changes are viable.  The other thing to remember is that you will have as much clout with the board of NCFC as most of the other posters on here.  As I said in a earlier reply, if you think these plans are seriously viable talk to McNally he will take any suggestions seriously.  Having this discussion with representatives from the club will get you a whole lot further than discussing it the members of this forum will. I was reading something on facebook about making the a47 safer where people were making safety improvement suggestions and the only way that they can get those changes was by talking to people that can make money available (they set up a petition on the downing street website and asked people to email their MPs).  The same applies here, you can talk all you like about making changes to the ground but until you (as the person with most desire for change) make the contact with the people who can make that change a reality nothing will happen.

[/quote]

Cheers for that.  I am so far removed from Norwich these days, it is difficult for me to imagine getting too involved with it.  However, I''ll write to the club as well, as I have given this a lot of thought this week and come to an understanding of what I think the situation is - which I wouldn''t have had if I hadn''t posted - so despite all the opposition and nonsense, this has been worthwhile  - for me, at any rate. I hope some others may think a bit more about it now, as well.