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I understand the whole 3 o''clock kick off damaging league/non league teams argument, but the thing is, even the most unsavvy tech people can now find streams for their PL team online. They are already doing it and now people can you can''t put that genie back in the box.

Unless Sky stop showing 3 o''clock kickoffs worldwide there will always be a way to watch those games online as there is a demand for it. It''s too late. Either jump onboard and reap the benefits or join the movie/music industries legacy of past failings in trying to combat pirarcy and not understanding that pirates are just responding to a market.

Yes some will always want something for nothing, but many are only seeking out a service they cant get legitimately but want.

Smaller football clubs are the independent bookstores, music and video store equivalents in a digital age. They either find a way to innovate and be relevant or they die. As so many people on here like to buy into, football clubs are a business after all.

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[quote user="Che s right hand man "]There will never be a game pass due to the fact they''re not allowed to show 3o''clock kick offs. A safe way to watch the games would be to use a Peer 2 peer streaming program like sopcast.[/quote]Although bear in mind that Streamtorrent and Acestream are taking over since Sopcast started blocking football broadcasts. Although these don''t always cover the more minor games played on a Saturday, the quality often rivals watching normal televison.

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[quote user="The ghost of Michael Theoklitos"]When I used to live in East London, quite often my mates and I if we had nothing to do on a Saturday, we''d go up and watch Leyton Orient play. It was good. They became our 2nd team, and we had a great time going.Had we had the option to go and watch one of our sides at a pub, or at home, would we have went to Brisbane Road? Maybe not. I assume this situation would be even worse for non league teams, like Lowestoft, or Kings Lynn.[/quote]Personally (and not criticising you here Ghost) I have ZERO interest in going to watch another club play (never mind pay for the ''privilege''), regardless of whether or not I can watch Norwich on TV.I don''t want to sound harsh, but it really isn''t my problem if Rotherham, Kings Lynn or even Brisbane Roar are struggling with attendances, and to suggest that I should lose out on the possibility of watching my own team live on TV just to facilitate some ridiculous notion that I''ll go watch them instead, should be shot down in flames for the nonsense it truly is.All the evidence that is easily available in the public domain suggests that there would be very limited effect on 3pm games at any level, slightly more so for evening mid-week matches, but still not massive. In contrast to this you have the potentially MASSIVE income from thousands or even hundreds of thousands of fans who would be willing to pay a fair price to watch their team when they can''t (or even won''t) watch them at the ground.It''s a total no-brainer as far as I can see, but as per usual, the FA/Prem is stuck in the dark ages where the old boys network demands that common sense and logic be damned and they''re going to do whatever they want regardless of how counter-productive it is, or how many genuine fans they pi$$ off in the process.Truly pathetic.

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The solution is actually pretty obvious imo. Its another facet of NFL and NBA coverage that''s slightly different to game pass. Broadcast the games free of charge as long as the stadium is a sellout. That way the clubs don''t lose out due to increased coverage, the fans get to see their team etc. It isn''t perfect as some clubs don''t sell out every game, however it is a pretty good solution for the clubs that do. I don''t have an answer to how u would address the clubs not selling out as it seems unfair for fans of poorly supported clubs like Wigan but iv been at work all day and can''t be bothered to think up a solution to that bit. Maybe someone with a fresh mind could think of a way.

Clubs could even make more money from the system by charging small fees to watch the broadcast.

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[quote user="Norwich or die tryin"]If its blocked by UK ISP''s rather than shutdown like Pirate bay then all you have to do is find a Proxy and bookmark it, job done. Piece of piss.[/quote]

Pirate Bay is not shut down. Its still easy to access via proxy.

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[quote user="CaptnCanary"]

[quote user="Norwich or die tryin"]If its blocked by UK ISP''s rather than shutdown like Pirate bay then all you have to do is find a Proxy and bookmark it, job done. Piece of piss.[/quote]

Pirate Bay is not shut down. Its still easy to access via proxy.

[/quote]Rather perversely, not all uk isp''s are subject to the ban, just the main ones. I can access tpb without any proxy at all.

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[quote user="CaptnCanary"]

[quote user="Norwich or die tryin"]If its blocked by UK ISP''s rather than shutdown like Pirate bay then all you have to do is find a Proxy and bookmark it, job done. Piece of piss.[/quote]

Pirate Bay is not shut down. Its still easy to access via proxy.

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Just tried that, it was a doddle.[Y]

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I''d love to know where the posters above have found decent streams in the past. My experience of Firstrow etc is an ultra low quality, blocky picutre which pauses and buffers at least twice a minute.That''s in pubs with high speed broadband, and at home. Then there''s the moral issue of streaming sites. They are technically pirating football broadcasts. I wouldn''t miss these horrible sites, chock full of spyware, pornographic advertising and viruses. I''d rather actually go to the game or watch an official HD broadcast in a pub.

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[quote user="Jonzey"]I''d love to know where the posters above have found decent streams in the past. My experience of Firstrow etc is an ultra low quality, blocky picutre which pauses and buffers at least twice a minute.That''s in pubs with high speed broadband, and at home.

Then there''s the moral issue of streaming sites. They are technically pirating football broadcasts.

I wouldn''t miss these horrible sites, chock full of spyware, pornographic advertising and viruses. I''d rather actually go to the game or watch an official HD broadcast in a pub.
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The WIZ always wears his WIG to watch some good streams.[Y]

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[quote user="Indy_Bones"][quote user="The ghost of Michael Theoklitos"]When I used to live in East London, quite often my mates and I if we had nothing to do on a Saturday, we''d go up and watch Leyton Orient play. It was good. They became our 2nd team, and we had a great time going.Had we had the option to go and watch one of our sides at a pub, or at home, would we have went to Brisbane Road? Maybe not. I assume this situation would be even worse for non league teams, like Lowestoft, or Kings Lynn.[/quote]Personally (and not criticising you here Ghost) I have ZERO interest in going to watch another club play (never mind pay for the ''privilege''), regardless of whether or not I can watch Norwich on TV.I don''t want to sound harsh, but it really isn''t my problem if Rotherham, Kings Lynn or even Brisbane Roar are struggling with attendances, and to suggest that I should lose out on the possibility of watching my own team live on TV just to facilitate some ridiculous notion that I''ll go watch them instead, should be shot down in flames for the nonsense it truly is.All the evidence that is easily available in the public domain suggests that there would be very limited effect on 3pm games at any level, slightly more so for evening mid-week matches, but still not massive. In contrast to this you have the potentially MASSIVE income from thousands or even hundreds of thousands of fans who would be willing to pay a fair price to watch their team when they can''t (or even won''t) watch them at the ground.It''s a total no-brainer as far as I can see, but as per usual, the FA/Prem is stuck in the dark ages where the old boys network demands that common sense and logic be damned and they''re going to do whatever they want regardless of how counter-productive it is, or how many genuine fans they pi$$ off in the process.Truly pathetic.[/quote]Not disagreeing with your point at all mate. Just playing devil''s advocate.Like I said previously, while I agree for the reasons The PL & FA have for their 3pm Saturday live coverage blackout, it is completely unsustainable in modern times. They need to move with it, or continue to be ripped off by pirates.

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[quote user="Jonzey"]I''d love to know where the posters above have found decent streams in the past. My experience of Firstrow etc is an ultra low quality, blocky picutre which pauses and buffers at least twice a minute.That''s in pubs with high speed broadband, and at home. Then there''s the moral issue of streaming sites. They are technically pirating football broadcasts. I wouldn''t miss these horrible sites, chock full of spyware, pornographic advertising and viruses. I''d rather actually go to the game or watch an official HD broadcast in a pub. [/quote]

There''s a million different sites. FirstRow is certainly not the best for quality, but it is reliable. I will PM a few sites through to you in a minute. I think everyone would rather be at the games but if you''re only getting low quality streams, then you''re doing it wrong.

Google search the word "Adblock" followed by the name of your web browser, install the add on and you will never see any of the adverts you mention at all. You may find that sometimes you need to disable the adblock temporarily to get rid of an ad or two as u sometimes cant see the close button on the ones on streaming sites.

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[quote user="kick it off"][quote user="Jonzey"]I''d love to know where the posters above have found decent streams in the past. My experience of Firstrow etc is an ultra low quality, blocky picutre which pauses and buffers at least twice a minute.That''s in pubs with high speed broadband, and at home.

Then there''s the moral issue of streaming sites. They are technically pirating football broadcasts.

I wouldn''t miss these horrible sites, chock full of spyware, pornographic advertising and viruses. I''d rather actually go to the game or watch an official HD broadcast in a pub.
[/quote] There''s a million different sites. FirstRow is certainly not the best for quality, but it is reliable. I will PM a few sites through to you in a minute. I think everyone would rather be at the games but if you''re only getting low quality streams, then you''re doing it wrong. Google search the word "Adblock" followed by the name of your web browser, install the add on and you will never see any of the adverts you mention at all. You may find that sometimes you need to disable the adblock temporarily to get rid of an ad or two as u sometimes cant see the close button on the ones on streaming sites.[/quote]

 

I find going to ''full screen mode'' blocks most ads for me kick it off.

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[quote user="Jonzey"]I wouldn''t miss these horrible sites, chock full of spyware, pornographic advertising and viruses. I''d rather actually go to the game or watch an official HD broadcast in a pub. [/quote]Install adblock and then you never have to see another advert on the internet again.

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Wiz said: I find going to ''full screen mode'' blocks most ads for me kick it off.

Indeed it does Wiz, but sometimes you have those annoying ads where u have to click through them or when u click out of full screen mode, you have to click through them to get back onto it..... I cant imagine what the internet looks like with ads anymore as adblock eliminates 99.9% of them!!

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[quote user="kick it off"]I cant imagine what the internet looks like with ads anymore as adblock eliminates 99.9% of them!![/quote]Indeed it does KIO. The only thing I''m unsure of is whether it''s available for internet explorer, it didn''t used to be.

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"Unless Sky stop showing 3 o''clock kickoffs worldwide"

errr, they never startedThe worldwide rights to broadcast live games are sold seperately to other companies around the world, and it is those companies that broadcast the games live not Sky

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You are quite right, I got a bit of Sky hate on when actually it is the PL and it''s member clubs that is the issue here. Although they broadcast in Germany I believe.

It doesn''t really change the point of anything I said though, thanks for contributing to debate.

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Streaming cant be stopped online or it would have been.. FACT!we should really thank the people who make the stream available online to us, via sites like first row. They risk legal action if court!

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[quote user="jas the barclay king"]Streaming cant be stopped online or it would have been.. FACT!we should really thank the people who make the stream available online to us, via sites like first row. They risk legal action if court![/quote]*in court!

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