Indy 3,297 Posted April 17, 2013 [quote user="ncfcstar"][quote user="Javiers Deaf Translator"]So to everyone against welsh teams being in the B***PL (check the FA and prem site, there is no reference to the PREMIER LEAGUE being english.) it''s okay for the welsh to be taken to Afghanistan and iraq to fight along side the English, But when it comes to playing football, it''s a whole different story? I''m English, but come on. the way some people react to this is ridiculous.[/quote]I agree, I don''t have a problem with Welsh teams in the Prem, they''ve been involved in English football for years and both Swansea and Cardiff have been in our top division before. I just have a problem with Cardiff City FC and their debts and mismanagement for the last 10 years, in my opinion they''ve cheated their way into the PL.[/quote]What a daft thing to say, don''t Scottich, Irish and European troups also get sent to Afganistan and Iraq? Does that mean you would be happy with Belgium, French and other countries teams in the PL just because we all fight together? The Welsh have a seperate league and international team and as such I don''t care about the years in this league, I believe they should be in their own league. Funny that they both come under the Welsh league when it suites them! Nothing against the Welsh or any other counries but come on! we have about 130 odd professional teams in England in about 7 leagues, why do we need anymore from other countries? Just my opinion and one I will stick with. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rolf Harris 31 Posted April 17, 2013 [quote user="Indy"][quote user="ncfcstar"][quote user="Javiers Deaf Translator"]So to everyone against welsh teams being in the B***PL (check the FA and prem site, there is no reference to the PREMIER LEAGUE being english.) it''s okay for the welsh to be taken to Afghanistan and iraq to fight along side the English, But when it comes to playing football, it''s a whole different story? I''m English, but come on. the way some people react to this is ridiculous.[/quote]I agree, I don''t have a problem with Welsh teams in the Prem, they''ve been involved in English football for years and both Swansea and Cardiff have been in our top division before. I just have a problem with Cardiff City FC and their debts and mismanagement for the last 10 years, in my opinion they''ve cheated their way into the PL.[/quote]What a daft thing to say, don''t Scottich, Irish and European troups also get sent to Afganistan and Iraq? Does that mean you would be happy with Belgium, French and other countries teams in the PL just because we all fight together? The Welsh have a seperate league and international team and as such I don''t care about the years in this league, I believe they should be in their own league. Funny that they both come under the Welsh league when it suites them! Nothing against the Welsh or any other counries but come on! we have about 130 odd professional teams in England in about 7 leagues, why do we need anymore from other countries? Just my opinion and one I will stick with.[/quote]The welsh teams joined when Wales and England were together and at that time there was no Welsh league in place for them to be in. And the reason why we play as the home nations rather than Britain is because if we had played as Britain at that time there would of been know one else to play against. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Redders Right Foot 22 Posted April 17, 2013 yes, because France, Italy, Belgium etc all fall under the word ''british'' when it comes to the armed forces. and I wouldn''t bat an eye lid of irish, scottish, or more welsh came to the ''English'' league, as this is still ONE NATION. and while it is such I don''t understand why people think we are sectional. it''s old xenophobic ideas which make no sense when it''s about those within the same country as you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Redders Right Foot 22 Posted April 17, 2013 the fact that we have 2 welsh teams in the premier league means they are too good to be moved to a league structure in which they have never been in. they deserve their place just as much as we do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indy 3,297 Posted April 17, 2013 It''s not one nation in the eye''s of the football world, they are seperate nations and as such each have an FA and league! My point is that we are all part of Europe too and by allowing Welsh teams in, not matter what the history, I know they were part of the league eons ago and there was not Welsh league then, but there is now, so there is a league for them to play in. Thus if Ajax or Rangers or any other national side did want a bash at the English premeirship then the presedant is set already by allowing Welsh teams in! Again I respect if you are happy to have them in, I''m not. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rolf Harris 31 Posted April 17, 2013 [quote user="Indy"]It''s not one nation in the eye''s of the football world, they are seperate nations and as such each have an FA and league! My point is that we are all part of Europe too and by allowing Welsh teams in, not matter what the history, I know they were part of the league eons ago and there was not Welsh league then, but there is now, so there is a league for them to play in. Thus if Ajax or Rangers or any other national side did want a bash at the English premeirship then the presedant is set already by allowing Welsh teams in! Again I respect if you are happy to have them in, I''m not.[/quote]Its the Barclay Premier league mate. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lappinitup 629 Posted April 17, 2013 [quote user="Javiers Deaf Translator"]the fact that we have 2 welsh teams in the premier league....[/quote]They should both be booted out. They''ve got measles over there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Redders Right Foot 22 Posted April 17, 2013 if they are not one nation in the eyes of the footballing world, then surely that just means that certain welsh teams aren''t seen as welsh in the eyes of the footballing world.and if that is the case, then surely the footballing world should of gone to specsavers. and he''s right, it is the BPL and not EPL. no references to the PL being English on any official site. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SwindonCanary 455 Posted April 17, 2013 Who said that no one calls it the EPL anymore ?       Here are some head lines from this week eter Berlin: Van Persie''s relief, Di Canio''s glee, more EPL/FA Cup thoughts Sports Illustrated 21:27 Sun, 14 Apr 2013 WIgan''s advance to 1st FA Cup final marred by fighting Millwall fans;... Calgary Herald 18:10 Sat, 13 Apr 2013 EPL: Late salvo sends Arsenal up to third, Everton beat QPR NDTV.com 17:53 Sat, 13 Apr 2013 EPL: Arsenal leapfrog Norwich with late goalrush GMA News 17:33 Sat, 13 Apr 2013 Arsenal rallies to beat Norwich 3-1 in EPL NBCSports.com 17:30 Sat, 13 Apr 2013 Arsenal vs. Norwich City, 2013 EPL: Final score 3-1, Arsenal earn a... SB Nation 17:00 Sat, 13 Apr 2013 EPL’s Under-rated Midfields | Tactical & Stats Comparison to Europe’s elite EPL Index 08:22 Fri, 05 Apr 2013 Each EPL Team''s Worst Loss of the Season Bleacher Report 16:05 Thu, 04 Apr 2013 EPL Index Tactics Board Update – Eraser tool & Add Manual Player... EPL Index 07:34 Thu, 04 Apr 2013 Are Referees biased towards the Home Team? | EPL Stats Analysis EPL Index 07:36 Thu, 28 Mar 2013 Why the Youth Policy Will Provide Norwich with EPL Stars Bleacher Report 02:35 Tue, 26 Mar 2013  Predicting Final Tables for EPL This Season Bleacher Report 15:33 Thu, 21 Mar 2013 Spurs player fired the most long balls in last weekend’s EPL games.... Squawka 12:46 Tue, 19 Mar 2013 EPL: Chelsea climb to third as Tottenham lose again GMA News 00:35 Mon, 18 Mar 2013 Chelsea climbs to third in EPL as Spurs lose again The Globe and Mail 19:24 Sun, 17 Mar 2013 10-man Norwich draws 1-1 at Sunderland in EPL SFGate 16:25 Sun, 17 Mar 2013 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indy 3,297 Posted April 17, 2013 So it''s not English, does not come under the English FA or League....fine I stand corrected, we don''t have a Premier league then in England. Well come on down Rangers, Celtic, PSG, Ajax and all! I give up, I still don''t want them in this league, hope both Swansea and Cardiff go down nest year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Redders Right Foot 22 Posted April 17, 2013 SC, not sure anyone has said no one calls it the EPL.I simply said that OFFICIALLY. on official FA and PL sites, that there is nothing calling it English.I had this discussion last night, and the other person thought it suitable to use Wikipedia.I then continued to find that 10 golfers had previously lost masters tounies from Magnets being placed into golf balls, and Sinbad the comedian was apparently President of the United States. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bethnal Yellow and Green 1,557 Posted April 17, 2013 [quote user="Indy"]It''s not one nation in the eye''s of the football world, they are seperate nations and as such each have an FA and league! My point is that we are all part of Europe too and by allowing Welsh teams in, not matter what the history, I know they were part of the league eons ago and there was not Welsh league then, but there is now, so there is a league for them to play in. Thus if Ajax or Rangers or any other national side did want a bash at the English premeirship then the presedant is set already by allowing Welsh teams in! Again I respect if you are happy to have them in, I''m not.[/quote]Your arguement doesn''t make any sense. You can''t compare allowing teams who aren''t in the league already to join to booting out two teams which are already in the league (and have been for longer than either of us has been alive). And as said by other posters, it isn''t, nor ever has been the English Premier League. The official name has always been The Premier League or Barclays Premier League - the ''English'' bit was added by American broadcasters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rolf Harris 31 Posted April 17, 2013 [quote user="swindoncanary"]Who said that no one calls it the EPL anymore ?       Here are some head lines from this week eter Berlin: Van Persie''s relief, Di Canio''s glee, more EPL/FA Cup thoughts Sports Illustrated 21:27 Sun, 14 Apr 2013 WIgan''s advance to 1st FA Cup final marred by fighting Millwall fans;... Calgary Herald 18:10 Sat, 13 Apr 2013 EPL: Late salvo sends Arsenal up to third, Everton beat QPR NDTV.com 17:53 Sat, 13 Apr 2013 EPL: Arsenal leapfrog Norwich with late goalrush GMA News 17:33 Sat, 13 Apr 2013 Arsenal rallies to beat Norwich 3-1 in EPL NBCSports.com 17:30 Sat, 13 Apr 2013 Arsenal vs. Norwich City, 2013 EPL: Final score 3-1, Arsenal earn a... SB Nation 17:00 Sat, 13 Apr 2013 EPL’s Under-rated Midfields | Tactical & Stats Comparison to Europe’s elite EPL Index 08:22 Fri, 05 Apr 2013 Each EPL Team''s Worst Loss of the Season Bleacher Report 16:05 Thu, 04 Apr 2013 EPL Index Tactics Board Update – Eraser tool & Add Manual Player... EPL Index 07:34 Thu, 04 Apr 2013 Are Referees biased towards the Home Team? | EPL Stats Analysis EPL Index 07:36 Thu, 28 Mar 2013 Why the Youth Policy Will Provide Norwich with EPL Stars Bleacher Report 02:35 Tue, 26 Mar 2013  Predicting Final Tables for EPL This Season Bleacher Report 15:33 Thu, 21 Mar 2013 Spurs player fired the most long balls in last weekend’s EPL games.... Squawka 12:46 Tue, 19 Mar 2013 EPL: Chelsea climb to third as Tottenham lose again GMA News 00:35 Mon, 18 Mar 2013 Chelsea climbs to third in EPL as Spurs lose again The Globe and Mail 19:24 Sun, 17 Mar 2013 10-man Norwich draws 1-1 at Sunderland in EPL SFGate 16:25 Sun, 17 Mar 2013 [/quote]That''s what they refer to it outside the UK, but that is not what it is officially called. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rolf Harris 31 Posted April 17, 2013 If you just said the Premier league league would you know what county it is in if you lived in the middle of nowhere? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lappinitup 629 Posted April 17, 2013 [quote user="Ches right hand man "]If you just said the Premier league league would you know what county it is in if you lived in the middle of nowhere?[/quote]What county is the Premier league league in then?Jeeze, I''m confused now. [:S]And if I lived in the middle of nowhere, it''s unlikely I''d have the internet, TV, papers or a season ticket. [:''(]I need water! [:P] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rolf Harris 31 Posted April 17, 2013 [quote user="lappinitup"][quote user="Ches right hand man "]If you just said the Premier league league would you know what county it is in if you lived in the middle of nowhere?[/quote]What county is the Premier league league in then?Jeeze, I''m confused now. [:S]And if I lived in the middle of nowhere, it''s unlikely I''d have the internet, TV, papers or a season ticket. [:''(]I need water! [:P][/quote]United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
It's Character Forming 1,160 Posted April 17, 2013 I''d love it if Ajax joined the Premier League. Not sure Mrs ICF would approve of me travelling to that away game on my own though... Seriously Malky is a true city legend - I''ll always remember his goal against Wolves in the play-off semi-final. Not so keen on Cardiff tbh nor on having another away trip to Wales. And sadly given Cardiff''s owners, I wouldn''t be even the least bit surprised if they do decide to replace him before the start of next season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lappinitup 629 Posted April 17, 2013 They''re starting to sound like QPR already........"The Welsh club will return to the English top flight for the first time in 51 years after a 0-0 draw at home to Charlton Athletic on Tuesday guaranteed promotion from the Championship. Financial difficulties in recent years have left the club with an overall recorded debt of £83.1 million, but Tan says they will find the money to fund a competitive assault on the Premier League. "We need to strategise well and we''d like to spend some money - maybe £20 to £25 million," said Tan. "Others have spent a big amount of money and don''t do well, so we will try to spend smartly." Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RvWs 4 year contract 0 Posted April 17, 2013 The thing that gets me is that Welsh people go on about how much they hate the English yet want to have the benefits of our league - and the tourism etc that goes along with it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Redders Right Foot 22 Posted April 17, 2013 I forgot all welsh had one state of mind and one reflects the views of all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
