baker 0 Posted March 17, 2013 It has been well documented how well the team has done whenSteven Whittaker has started league games and how the team has had littlesuccess when Johnny Howson has started league games. However the reciprocalstats involved are probably more surprising.Whittaker has started 9 games at right back in the leagueand we’ve only lost 1 of those games and in that game he went off at half timewhen the score was tied. In those 9 games we conceded 9 goals (1 goal per game)and our goal difference was +4. Russell Martin has started 19 games at rightback and we have only won 2 of those, we have conceded 1.79 goals per game andour goal difference in those games is -21.That’s quite a difference. RyanBennett started one game at right back and we lost that too. Whittaker played 4games with Ruddy behind him and 5 games with Bunn so that is not a factor plushe played in the home win over Man U, the away win at Swansea and the away tieat Everton so he wasn’t exposed to weak opponents. Also of note; in the games Whittaker playedwe scored 1.44 goals a game as compared to 0.68 when Martin has started. To adda little more perspective, of the 27 goals we have scored this season almosthalf, 13, were scored when Whittaker started, that is in only 30% of the games.This includes 3 of the 4 goals Snodgrass has scored, 3 of the 4 goalsPilkington has scored and all 3 goals that Bassong has scored.Howson has started 13 games in centre midfield and we havewon 2 of those and lost 7. In those games we have conceded 2.46 goals per game(the season average is 1.55) and we have a goal difference of minus 20. Thatmeans that in the 16 games that Howson hasn’t started we have won 5, tied 8 andonly lost 3. In those games we have conceded 0.81 goals per game, a full 1.65goals per game less than when he has started and have a goal difference of +2.But he adds offence you say. In Howson’s starts we have scored 0.92 goals pergame and when he hasn’t started we have scored 0.94, so essentially the same. The player with the second best starting record afterWhittaker this season has to be our hugely influential centre back Seb Bassongsurely. Actually it’s not; it’s our much maligned captain Grant Holt. Ourrecord in the 22 games he has started is 7-10-5. That means in the 7 games thatHolt hasn’t started we have not won and have lost 5! Interestingly our goalsfor stats per game are very similar if Holt plays or not but in the games hehas played we have conceded approximately 0.6 goals less per game than in thosehe hasn’t started. The only other player on the roster with a positive startingrecord is Bassong (I don’t include the Newcastle away game as one of his gamesas he left after less than 5 minutes). In the 25 games he has started we have arecord of 7-12-6 and have conceded 1.16 goals per game. We have lost all 4games he has not played (if we include the Newcastle game) and have conceded anaverage of 4 goals per game!! Of interest, when Bassong has played with Turnerwe have an even playing record and have conceded exactly one goal per game.Every other player on the roster that has played a decentnumber of games has a negative playing record (albeit in most cases we havelost just one more game than we’ve won), except for, you guessed it, Hoolahanand ….Pilkington! Hoolahan has started 22 games and we have won 7 and lost 7 ofthose games. That means that we have not won a game that he has notstarted. Also interesting is that wehave only scored 4 goals in the 7 games that our Wesley hasn’t started. Even more obscurely we have conceded almosttwice as many goals per game when he hasn’t started (2.43 per game) than whenhe has (1.27 per game).This brings us to Pilkington who has been off form allseason if you pay attention to this message board. Pilks has started 21 gamesand we have won 6 and lost 6 of those. That means that we have only won one ofthe 8 games he hasn’t started and have lost 4. In those 8 games we have conceded2.25 goals per game, almost a full goal more than the 1.29 goals we haveconceded when he has played. We have also scored 1.05 goals per game when hehas started as compared to 0.63 when he hasn’t.I know these are just stats and only reflect games playershave started but as we all know our boy Chris doesn’t sub much before 88minutes and doesn’t switch horses for courses either during games or for gameslike our former manager used to, so I think they have some validity. Obviouslythe playing formation, quality of the opposition and team momentum, among otherthings, can affect player’s stats, but in the end it is the players that createmomentum, make playing formations work and beat the top teams. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mister Chops 7 Posted March 17, 2013 [quote user="baker"]It has been well documented how well the team has done whenSteven Whittaker has started league games and how the team has had littlesuccess when Johnny Howson has started league games. However the reciprocalstats involved are probably more surprising.Whittaker has started 9 games at right back in the leagueand we’ve only lost 1 of those games and in that game he went off at half timewhen the score was tied. In those 9 games we conceded 9 goals (1 goal per game)and our goal difference was +4. Russell Martin has started 19 games at rightback and we have only won 2 of those, we have conceded 1.79 goals per game andour goal difference in those games is -21.That’s quite a difference. RyanBennett started one game at right back and we lost that too. Whittaker played 4games with Ruddy behind him and 5 games with Bunn so that is not a factor plushe played in the home win over Man U, the away win at Swansea and the away tieat Everton so he wasn’t exposed to weak opponents. Also of note; in the games Whittaker playedwe scored 1.44 goals a game as compared to 0.68 when Martin has started. To adda little more perspective, of the 27 goals we have scored this season almosthalf, 13, were scored when Whittaker started, that is in only 30% of the games.This includes 3 of the 4 goals Snodgrass has scored, 3 of the 4 goalsPilkington has scored and all 3 goals that Bassong has scored.Howson has started 13 games in centre midfield and we havewon 2 of those and lost 7. In those games we have conceded 2.46 goals per game(the season average is 1.55) and we have a goal difference of minus 20. Thatmeans that in the 16 games that Howson hasn’t started we have won 5, tied 8 andonly lost 3. In those games we have conceded 0.81 goals per game, a full 1.65goals per game less than when he has started and have a goal difference of +2.But he adds offence you say. In Howson’s starts we have scored 0.92 goals pergame and when he hasn’t started we have scored 0.94, so essentially the same. The player with the second best starting record afterWhittaker this season has to be our hugely influential centre back Seb Bassongsurely. Actually it’s not; it’s our much maligned captain Grant Holt. Ourrecord in the 22 games he has started is 7-10-5. That means in the 7 games thatHolt hasn’t started we have not won and have lost 5! Interestingly our goalsfor stats per game are very similar if Holt plays or not but in the games hehas played we have conceded approximately 0.6 goals less per game than in thosehe hasn’t started. The only other player on the roster with a positive startingrecord is Bassong (I don’t include the Newcastle away game as one of his gamesas he left after less than 5 minutes). In the 25 games he has started we have arecord of 7-12-6 and have conceded 1.16 goals per game. We have lost all 4games he has not played (if we include the Newcastle game) and have conceded anaverage of 4 goals per game!! Of interest, when Bassong has played with Turnerwe have an even playing record and have conceded exactly one goal per game.Every other player on the roster that has played a decentnumber of games has a negative playing record (albeit in most cases we havelost just one more game than we’ve won), except for, you guessed it, Hoolahanand ….Pilkington! Hoolahan has started 22 games and we have won 7 and lost 7 ofthose games. That means that we have not won a game that he has notstarted. Also interesting is that wehave only scored 4 goals in the 7 games that our Wesley hasn’t started. Even more obscurely we have conceded almosttwice as many goals per game when he hasn’t started (2.43 per game) than whenhe has (1.27 per game).This brings us to Pilkington who has been off form allseason if you pay attention to this message board. Pilks has started 21 gamesand we have won 6 and lost 6 of those. That means that we have only won one ofthe 8 games he hasn’t started and have lost 4. In those 8 games we have conceded2.25 goals per game, almost a full goal more than the 1.29 goals we haveconceded when he has played. We have also scored 1.05 goals per game when hehas started as compared to 0.63 when he hasn’t.I know these are just stats and only reflect games playershave started but as we all know our boy Chris doesn’t sub much before 88minutes and doesn’t switch horses for courses either during games or for gameslike our former manager used to, so I think they have some validity. Obviouslythe playing formation, quality of the opposition and team momentum, among otherthings, can affect player’s stats, but in the end it is the players that createmomentum, make playing formations work and beat the top teams. [/quote]Thought I''d put the para breaks in for you.Oh, and"as we all know our boy Chris doesn’t sub much before 88minutes "Myth! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,339 Posted March 17, 2013 [quote user="baker"] Hoolahan has started 22 games and we have won 7 and lost 7 ofthose games. That means that we have not won a game that he has notstarted. Also interesting is that wehave only scored 4 goals in the 7 games that our Wesley hasn’t started. Even more obscurely we have conceded almosttwice as many goals per game when he hasn’t started (2.43 per game) than whenhe has (1.27 per game).[/quote]As I never tire of saying, "No Wes, No Win" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kanadyan Kanary 121 Posted March 17, 2013 ricardo wrote the following post at 17/03/2013 9:18 AM: baker wrote: Hoolahan has started 22 games and we have won 7 and lost 7 of those games. That means that we have not won a game that he has not started. Also interesting is that we have only scored 4 goals in the 7 games that our Wesley hasn’t started. Even more obscurely we have conceded almost twice as many goals per game when he hasn’t started (2.43 per game) than when he has (1.27 per game). As I never tire of saying, "No Wes, No Win"Which is amazing when you consider he is the 10th best player for us this season, according to these stats: http://www.whoscored.com/Teams/168 OP - Thanks for these stats which make an interesting read and I am sure took a lot of effort to put together on your part. I guess the sooner we get Whittaker back in the side the better. [^o)] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
7rew 0 Posted March 17, 2013 There is quite a large amount of overlap in those stats.It would be interesting to see the difference between when we start Whittaker, Turner, Bassong, Garrido, Johnson, Tettey, Pilkington, Hoolahan, Snodgrass and Holt outfield as opposed to what happens when we start some other outfield combination.It does highlight that we have gone from a team with depth last year to one without this year, simply by buying better players on top. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites