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He has had an excellent managerial career but his star appears to be on the wane in the short term at least. villa supports unimpressed by the manner of his departure accuse him of high spending which has contributed to getting the club in a fix.hailed as the Messia when he first arrived at Sunderland  a quick glance at their messageboard shows he has a lot to do to win their supporters around. He has spent a lot of money this season and on recent performances it clearly hasnt been well spend. Fletcher has scored a few but looked toothless yesterday. Johnson looks a total waste of money and already it looks to be a bad move for Graham. His success fed his ego and should he get the push he will certainly get another job, but may find it harder to get one in the premiership

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[quote user="Yorkshire Canary"]He has had an excellent managerial career but his star appears to be on the wane in the short term at least. villa supports unimpressed by the manner of his departure accuse him of high spending which has contributed to getting the club in a fix.hailed as the Messia when he first arrived at Sunderland  a quick glance at their messageboard shows he has a lot to do to win their supporters around. He has spent a lot of money this season and on recent performances it clearly hasnt been well spend. Fletcher has scored a few but looked toothless yesterday. Johnson looks a total waste of money and already it looks to be a bad move for Graham. His success fed his ego and should he get the push he will certainly get another job, but may find it harder to get one in the premiership[/quote]

 

Funny I was just posting something similar.  I don''t know what it is, but he doesn''t seem to have the will to win that he used to.  Whenever I see him interviewed, he just looks tired.  I wouldn''t be surprised if they sack him and he then leaves football, at least for a time,

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I have heard some suggestion that his wife is ill. If true i do not know the details but it could explain a lot he seems a shadow of the bouncy figure he once was

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Adam Johnson and Steven Fletcher have actually been their two best players this season, without them they would definitely be in the relegation zone.

His worst signings have been the bunch of overpaid has beens that he signed like Louis Saha and James McFadden who no doubt got paid off to swiftly leave again.

His signings last season were worse than this season.... Connor Wickham £12m being the best example. He is 20 in a couple of weeks and he has 2 goals in 28 games for Sunderland so far.

That James McClean kid is also hugely over rated, popped onto the scene and instantly handed a three year contract which tripled his pay, now he is back on the bench. Don''t think he is anything other than a Championship player.

You do have to feel for Martin O''Neill a little bit though, he took over a squad assembled by Roy Keane, with a huge number of those players then going on to form the nucleaus of the Keane era scum squad.

They do have David Milliband as a director, proof that everything Labour touch turns to crap. They are experts at wasting money, looks like the perfect reason not to vote for Ed - he will waste money in much the same way.

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[quote user="singupcarrowroad"]. His signings last season were worse than this season.... Connor Wickham £12m being the best example. He is 20 in a couple of weeks and he has 2 goals in 28 games for Sunderland so far. ....... You do have to feel for Martin O''Neill a little bit though, he took over a squad assembled by Roy Keane, with a huge number of those players then going on to form the nucleaus of the Keane era scum squad. .[/quote]

 

errr

 

Martin O''Neil did not sign Wickham, Steve Bruce did (in 2011)

 

The figure quoted was not £12m it was £8.1m

 

I doubt O''Neil inherited Keane''s squad. There were three managers and three years between these two managers.

 

 

You do really need to stop making up things - and perhaps get  a grown up to explain the diffference between an excutive director and a non-executive director.

 

 

 

 

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They do have David Milliband as a director, proof that everything Labour touch turns to crap. They are experts at wasting money, looks like the perfect reason not to vote for Ed - he will waste money in much the same way.

 

I couldn''t have put it better!![Y]

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"They do have David Milliband as a director, proof that everything Labour touch turns to crap. They are experts at wasting money, looks like the perfect reason not to vote for Ed - he will waste money in much the same way.

 

I couldn''t have put it better!!"

 

 

thatt''s because you probably haven''t a clue what a non-executive director is or what role a vice chairman plays in this situation

 

 

perhaps you are from suffolk as you don''t sound too bright

 

 

 

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"Martin O''Neil did not sign Wickham, Steve Bruce did (in 2011)"

In that case, Sunderland fans should get a grip and acknowledge that O''Neill''s signings have been much better than both Bruce''s and Keane''s.

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Sure, he gets a posh sounding job title and a salary, but absolutely no power. A little like his little brother.

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I dont actually city so why dont you kindly explain oh worldly wise [:D] one

And March is Cambridgeshire well it was this morning when i woke [;)]

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At £125k for 15 days work, he is surely the most expensive left winger on Sunderland''s books?

Taking six figures for doing pretty much noting for a loss making business, pretty much similar to politicians taking a salary while running a loss making country.

Socialism, pah.

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[quote user="singupcarrowroad"]Sure, he gets a posh sounding job title and a salary, but absolutely no power. A little like his little brother.[/quote]

 

Dear me, you really are exceedingly dim

 

The job title is there to lend the club some sort of prestige, not the other way round

 

He will not be on a salary, it will be a fee(s) - quite a difference

 

Any director has ''power'' in the sense they have a vote on the board

 

 

So he is not actually wasting money as claimed

 

nor, as earlier claimed, did O''Neil take over a squad assembled by Keane

 

dearie, dear me

 

 

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Of course he won''t be on a salary, it would be too difficult for him to syphon off his ''fee'' into a limited company which is half owned by his wife.

Politicians are always on the take, I''m glad that you can support elected officials doing non-parliamentary work City1st, I just so happen to think that the £65k a year that we pay him should be paid on the provision that it is his only job. Plenty of normal folk have a clause written into their contracts which forbid second jobs.

Tax avoiding hypocritical greedy faux-socialist. Please remember that he remains an elected Member of Parliament, I don''t care what Sunderland get out of the deal, I do care that politicians have free reign to miss parliamentary meetings whenever they please to hold directorships and offer ''consultancy'' services to the private sector.

Perhaps if Sunderland was a state owned football team a place on the board for an MP would be a good idea. The one place where we SHOULD have an MP on the board - RBS - we don''t.

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[quote user="singupcarrowroad"]At £125k for 15 days work, he is surely the most expensive left winger on Sunderland''s books? Taking six figures for doing pretty much noting for a loss making business, pretty much similar to politicians taking a salary while running a loss making country. Socialism, pah.[/quote]

 

You really are out of your depth here

 

Firstly you claimed he was paid a salary, then it was he who was wasting their money ... now he is doing nothing

 

The reality is you have no idea what he actually does at Sunderland.

 

In fact the reality is you have no idea .... full stop

 

 

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"I''m glad that you can support elected officials doing non-parliamentary work City1st"

 

I never said that.

 

You really must stop making up stuff.

 

In that light might I suggest that you make a point of checking things first and reading other peoples posts first before replying.

 

Not only is it courteous to others, but would appear to be very necessary in your case as you habitually post up all manner of nonsensical and false claims.

 

Now, back to Martin O''Neil

 

 

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Not a Tory either, although glad that you can spot the differences between the Tory front bench and the shadow cabinet, because I can''t see many.

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[quote user="singupcarrowroad"]Not a Tory either, although glad that you can spot the differences between the Tory front bench and the shadow cabinet, because I can''t see many.[/quote]

 

I''m not quite sure BW said he could (more making up ?)

 

A clue is that they tend (well actually, almost certainly always) sit on opposite sides of the chamber - and the labour shadow cabinet doesn''t have David Milliband in it.

 

Now why not get back to Martin O''Neil. Will he be replaced if Sunderland are relegated, or if they avoid it only by a few points ?

 

Or will he have yet another ''hissy fit'' and walk out of yet another club ?

 

Can''t see Sunderland aiming for 9th place

 

 

 

 

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Trying to return to the subject I thought Martin O''Neil looked totally drained during his interview after the match yesterday. Whether it be for personal reasons or otherwise I thought he looked a beaten man which I actually found quite sad. If I was a Sunderland supporter I would now be very worried. With the fixtures they have coming up they look to be well in the relegation mix. They were as poor a side as I have seeen in the Premiership all season with no obvious means of escape as things stand at present and a manager who looks as though he''s run out of ideas.  

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He left Celtic at the end of 2005 to care for his wife.I think it just highlights how far the Premiership has moved on tactically. When he was at Leicester in the late nineties, his 3-5-2 was innovative as most teams were playing 4-4-2. Aside from Glenn Hoddle''s Chelsea, I can''t remember many teams experimenting with formations. He was also good at picking up players from the lower leagues Robbie Savage and Neil Lennon for example, and Muzzy Izzet from Chelsea''s reverses.He''s a great man-motivator (and Lambert''s managerial style is heavily based on him), but the Achilles heel will always be how good your coaches are. Especially if you''re expecting them to do your day to day work. One of the interesting comments made about man United was how SAF had changed his coach every couple of years to freshen things up, Brian Kidd, Steve McClaren , Carlos Queiroz etc. Wonder what all these people do http://www.safc.com/players-and-staff/football-management

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Always had a soft spot for Martin O''Neil, was an outstanding player for Clough''s Forest & Norwich. Remember that late goal he scored from a free kick at Portaloo Rd, won us the game. An intelligent man who could have a career in the legal profession. There are people & teams that I would happily see fail rather than O''Neil & Sunderland.Roodge roodge Norroodge. OTBC.

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“perhaps get  a grown up to explain the diffference between an excutive director and a non-executive director”

I do know the difference between a director and a non-executive director, because I hold both positions. I am the non-executive of a small business in which I am a private investor and insisted on a place on the board in exchange for my investment, on the understanding that I would leave the day to day management of the business to the two founders unless I object to something and see a serious flaw in their ongoing strategy. Pretty much the only other thing that I do is show my accountant their financial data to make sure it is all accurately reported, but I do that for my own means and not for the good of the business.

“thatt''s because you probably haven''t a clue what a non-executive director is”

I do know what a non-executive director is, because I am a non-executive director. Their scope, requirements, and remit, can vary quite significantly from business to business. As a result, you really have no idea what David Miliband is doing at Sunderland either, do you?

“what role a vice chairman plays in this situation”

Perhaps you could tell me what a non-executive vice chairman does in the context of a football club, because it sounds like a pointless waste of money to me. Especially when you are talking £125k in “fees” or “salary” or “remuneration” or “compensation” for the grand total of 15 days work that he declared to the public. Neither of us actually know what he is doing at Sunderland, irrespective of whether we know what the typical non-executive vice chairman does, but we both know that whatever it is – it won''t be worth £8333 per day of work.

“Dear me, you really are exceedingly dim”

Thanks!

“The job title is there to lend the club some sort of prestige, not the other way round”

I find the idea of a pro-War Blairite who was instrumental in 13 disastrous years of Labour party rule which left our country with a serious structural deficit lending any business “prestige” to be be bizarre. I could think of more popular public figures to employ for nothing other than name association.

“He will not be on a salary, it will be a fee(s) - quite a difference”

Now we are getting into semantics. Non-exec directors are often paid a pre-agreed fixed annual ''fee''. When David Miliband agrees to be a Sunderland non-exec director for a period of say, 2 years, it would be on the understanding that he was to be paid £xxxxx per year for the two years, or alternatively agreed to be paid £xxxxx for a year, with his fixed fee renegotiated for the next year. Clearly this is almost exactly the same as a salary for a fixed term contract, so similar in fact that most job adverts for non-executive director positions are advertised with a ''salary''. Just like this one:

http://appointments.thesundaytimes.co.uk/job/429307/non-executive-directors

“Any director has ''power'' in the sense they have a vote on the board”

Yes but they are seldom involved in the day to day management of a business. In a small business a non-executive director can be ''appointed'' just to create an uneven number. An ltd could, for example, have just two directors, who could hypothetically hold an even proportion of the equity. It is common for a non-executive director to be employed solely to vote at times of disagreement. You know as well as I do that board members don''t vote on whether to put the kettle on, or whether to fire the cleaning lady.

“So he is not actually wasting money as claimed”

This appears to be your personal opinion? I''ve just linked to a non-executive position which offers £27k a year for 30 days work per year. We already know that Miliband took £125k for 15 days work. I''d conclude that he probably is a waste of money, wouldn''t you? I am aware that you meant this in a different way, I''m sorry that you couldn''t see that my initial David Miliband reference was tongue in cheek or an attempt at humour.

“nor, as earlier claimed, did O''Neil take over a squad assembled by Keane”

Sunderland held the registration to 13 players that were at the club at the point of Keane''s resignation on the day that O''Neill took the job, that''s a substantial number of players. I can count at least 6 which were signed by Keane but are no longer at the club having been released or sold by O''Neill.

“You really are out of your depth here”

You didn''t like my left winger joke then?

“Firstly you claimed he was paid a salary, then it was he who was wasting their money ... now he is doing nothing”

A pre-agreed fix annual fee is as good as a salary to me, and to the many businesses who present a ''fee'' as a ''salary'' when advertising for non-executive positions. The ''fixed annual fee'' for Miliband at Sunderland has been reported by some media outlets as £50k per annum. I''m glad that you can see a huge difference between a ''fixed annual fee'' and a ''salary'', because I am struggling, other than the obvious ability to record a ''fixed annual fee'' as an earning for a consultancy business, of which Milibands wife is listed as a 50% shareholder, enabling this faux-Marxist scumbag to pay less tax on his ''fixed annual fee'' than one with a comparable salary would pay under tax rates decided on by the government in which he held a prominent position.

“The reality is you have no idea what he actually does at Sunderland”

You keep saying that, but don''t seem keen to tell me what they get for £125k in 15 days, unless he can suck people off at the rate of 20 an hour. Do you know what he does? What can anybody do in 15 days to justify fees of £8333 per day?

“Now why not get back to Martin O''Neil. Will he be replaced if Sunderland are relegated, or if they avoid it only by a few points?”

I suspect that he will resign, it would be his first ever relegation, and I doubt he would consider another job either. For years there was talk of him quitting football (although his wife was sick at the time I believe?), perhaps a relegation would be the end for him. I actually have a feeling that Sunderland would give him the opportunity to stay. They would need to save money somewhere though, perhaps Ed Miliband''s £125k per 15 days would suddenly look like a gross waste of money.

I have a question for you though..... you wouldn''t by any chance be a Labour party member, would you?

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"I find the idea of a pro-War Blairite who was instrumental in 13 disastrous years of Labour party rule which left our country with a serious structural deficit lending any business “prestige” to be be bizarre"

In fairness, the first few years were OK, we had a budget surplus, we had a decent minimum wage, and we had low unemployment. It was the next 9 or 10 years which were catastrophic.

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O''Neil has lost a few of his disciples over the years. John Robertson travelled around with him but left his side at Villa, and Paul Franklin who followed him to Leicester was also part of the orginal back room team. It''s only Steve Walford who seems to have survived.

 

I agree with the OP , he does seem to be jaded. I also agree that where once he was innovative, that seems now to be heavily reliant on a cheque book. The idea that the Man Utd cast offs would work for him seems to have back fired.

 

He would probably still prefer Dean Windass to the boy blunder Conner Wickham. What a truly disasterous (and highly amusing) waste of money.  

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"The idea that the Man Utd cast offs would work for him seems to have back fired"

I''m a fine one to talk, having just completely forgotten about the Steve Bruce tenure.... but...... none of the former Man Utd players at Sunderland were signed by Martin O''Neill.

Roy Keane signed a few (most now gone), Steve Bruce signed a few, but O''Neill hasn''t signed anybody from Man Utd.

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He has actually only paid transfers fees for four players:

Fletcher £14m

Johnson £12m

N''Diaye £3.8m

Graham £5m

The first two have been there best players, the second two have been there less than two months.

DISCLAIMER: Transfer fees may include add-ons, for the sole benefit of City1st.

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